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Discussion in 'General Theology' started by drjean, May 17, 2018.

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  1. drjean

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    There's seemingly going to be a big disclosure about aliens being real.

    In fact, just last weekend the NY Times wrote an article and 3 video clips with sounds/conversations was unclassified by the government regarding what we call UFOs. (I think you can see some here re "tic tac": A short history of UFOs in America: Aliens, flying discs and sightings - CNN) "it was one of many confounding examples of unidentified flying objects the Pentagon investigated in the Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program."

    Recently the government changed the name of UFOs to UAPs (Unidentified aerial phenomena).

    Word "on the street" is that the US Government is preparing civilians for a full disclosure that not only are aliens real but that they have been assisting with advanced technology since Roswell.

    This is not to debate any of that: either it will or won't occur; either it's true or not; either they exist or they don't.

    What I want to know is what should a CHRISTIAN response be to the world IF this announcement is, indeed made.

    How does it fit into our current Christian theology? I believe there are verses that allude to things like this about which we don't know much.

    Typical of course is the "wheel" that Ezekiel disclosed.

    Also, the miracle at Fatima included pics of UFO, radiation burns, hair loss etc. Another visual encounter in Georgia a husband and wife on their farm ...man saw UFO, woman saw angelic being. (Which could explain Fatima story differences?)

    ANYWAY... we should be prepared and I daresay most haven't even followed how the information has been changing and developing and being released.

    What say you?
     
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  2. yeshuaslavejeff

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    < shrug and yawn > It has been deception always, and continues as deception - people deceiving people, and the enemy of Christ, hasatan and the demons deceiving people;
    and God giving people over to believe their own delusions (as noted in some other threads), as His Word Says.
     
  3. The7thColporteur

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    According to scripture [KJB] there is no such thing as 'aliens' in the sense of 'greys', 'greens', 'reptilians', 'martians', 'bestials', 'roboid', the so-called varied star systems presences, etc.

    Satan has merely reversed the theology of the bible [KJB], because the sinner is the 'alien' in the universe of God. Sin, with Fallen angels and fallen humanity is the foreign element in God's perfect unfallen universe. We, upon this earth, are struck off from the continent of Heaven, until Christ Jesus bridged the gap. Therefore, likewise, those who have become Christians upon this earth, beginning with Adam the first, unto the last to enter in, are 'strangers', 'pilgrims', wandering upon this earth with no home here [for our Home is now above], and so we are 'aliens' unto the wicked, because we are no longer like them. This is the first two senses in which 'aliens' are real.

    The next sense is the fact that unfallen beings exist in Heaven and on the multitudinous unfallen worlds of God's creation, as scripture [KJB] states. In fact the real Ark of the Covenant has been Found, and it is in Heaven - The ARK of the Covenant HAS BEEN FOUND since AD 1844! The Sabbath Commandment [Ex. 20:8-11] is seen!

    The next sense is the fact that fallen angels exist upon this earth, as scripture [KJB] details, and they like to deceive about the other matters. Satan must counterfeit the second coming of Christ Jesus, and the 'alien' deception is for those who deny God in some way, such as the atheist, buddhist, new ager, etc. They may not believe in the word of God, the Bible [KJB], or a coming of Christ Jesus, but they will believe their senses and the deceptions of that angel of lie-ght.

    Governments are influenced by the devil's deceptions. Though there is a truth in that there are unfallen super intelligent beings of God's unfallen universe, this world is quaranteened because of sin, and the only ones allowed in are Jesus, the Great Physician, and the Holy Angels of Heaven as ministering nurses to the sick, suffering, etc. The only others here are the fallen angels, who love to get men to believe any lie, including 'aliens'. It will be one of the last deceptions, and has been fed into the world conscience for many years now.

    If any would like more on the unfallen worlds, the unfallen beings, the order of God's Heavenly government, I can post that [it is looong], or share a link to whre you may DL the materials and read them individually:

    Here:

    Any may download the structure of Daniel and Revelation here - Link

    Any may download the great Study here on the Michael the Archangel, The Character that will Stand in the Last Day [see sections [3] and [4] which covers the Angels, Archangels, Unfallen worlds and beings thereof] - Link
     
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  4. The7thColporteur

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    [lesser] archangels:

    See section [04] Archangels in the King James Bible and in the Spirit of Prophecy/The Testimony of Jesus

    Gabriel a good lesser arch-angel:

    Daniel 8:16 KJB - And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.

    Daniel 9:21 KJB - Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.

    Matthew 28:2 KJB - And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.

    Matthew 28:3 KJB - His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:

    Matthew 28:4 KJB - And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.

    Matthew 28:5 KJB - And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.

    Matthew 28:6 KJB - He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

    Matthew 28:7 KJB - And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.

    Mark 16:5 KJB - And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.

    Mark 16:6 KJB - And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.

    Mark 16:7 KJB - But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you.

    Luke 1:19 KJB - And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.

    Luke 1:26 KJB - And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

    The order of Heaven, the good, “Legions”, the “thousands and ten thousands”:

    Deuteronomy 33:2 KJB - And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

    2 Kings 6:16 KJB - And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.

    2 Kings 6:17 KJB - And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

    Psalms 34:7 KJB - The angel of the LORD encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them.

    Psalms 68:17 KJB - The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place.

    Daniel 7:10 KJB - A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

    Matthew 26:53 KJB - Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

    Hebrews 12:22 KJB - But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

    Jude 1:14 KJB - And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

    Revelation 5:11 KJB - And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;​

    Angels” that “excel in strength”:

    Psalms 103:20 KJB - Bless the LORD, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.

    2 Thessalonians 1:7 KJB - And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

    Revelation 18:21 KJB - And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.​

    Cherub”:

    Exodus 25:19, 37:8; 2 Samuel 22:11; 1 Kings 6:24,25,26,27; 2 Chronicles 3:11,12; Ezra 2:59; Nehemiah 7:61; Psalms 18:10; Ezekiel 9:3, 10:2,4,7,9, 28:14,16, 41:18.​

    “Cherubims”
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    Genesis 3:24; Exodus 25:18,19,20,22, 26:1,31, 36:8,35, 37:7,8,9; Numbers 7:89; 1 Samuel 4:4; 2 Samuel 6:2; 1 Kings 6:23,25,27,28,29,32,35, 7:29,36, 8:6,7; 2 Kings 19:15; 1 Chronicles 13:6, 28:18; 2 Chronicles 3:7,10,11,13,14, 5:7,8; Psalms 80:1, 99:1; Isaiah 37:16; Ezekiel 10:1,2,3,5,6,7,8,9,15,16,18,19,20, 11:22, 41:18,20,25; Hebrews 9:5.​

    “Living Creatures”
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    Ezekiel 1:5,13,14,15,19, 3:13, 10:1,2,3,5,6,7,8,9,15,16,18,19,20, 11:22; “four beasts”: Revelation 4:6,8, 5:6,8,11,14, 6:1,6, 7:11, 14:3, 15:7, 19:4.​

    Seraphims”:

    Isaiah 6:2,6.​

    Four and Twenty Elders”, the leaders of the other unfallen worlds:

    Revelation 4:4,10, 5:5,6,8,11,14, 7:11,13, 11:16, 14:3, 19:4,
    see also “ancients”: Isaiah 24:23​

    Two men”, “angels” in shining white apparel:

    Luke 24:4; John 20:12; Acts 1:10​

    The unfallen “worlds”, and the unfallen beings therein which “went not astray”, being “just persons, which need no repentance”:

    Hebrews 1:2 KJB - Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

    Hebrews 11:3 KJB - Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.​

    Side note, those of man-kind, which are in Christ Jesus, are the 'aliens' to the wicked, for we are the very strangers and pilgrims [Satan has counterfeited and reversed this] in the universe. In reverse, the unfallen worlds are the natural, and sinners are the unnatural, thus are alienated from God:​

    Hebrews 11:13 KJB - These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.​

    We are that one lost world, whom the Son of God, 'Jesus', left the '99' for in Heaven to come and save us, that he might come from that “far country” and deliver us, and “return home” with us, that we may once again have a “place” among those “many mansions”:

    Matthew 18:11 KJB - For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

    Matthew 18:12 KJB - How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?

    Matthew 18:13 KJB - And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that [sheep], than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.

    Luke 15:4 KJB - What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

    Luke 15:5 KJB - And when he hath found [it], he layeth [it] on his shoulders, rejoicing.

    Luke 15:6 KJB - And when he cometh home, he calleth together [his] friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.

    Luke 15:7 KJB - I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

    John 14:1 KJB - Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

    John 14:2 KJB - In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

    John 14:3 KJB - And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.

    John 14:4 KJB - And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.​

    The very “sons of God” who rule the unfallen worlds, as Adam [Luke 3:38 KJB], the first [1 Corinthians 15:45,46,47 KJB], on earth had [Genesis 1:26,28; Psalms 8:5 KJB] before his fall, and the angelic “morning stars”:

    Job 1:6 KJB - Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

    Job 2:1 KJB - Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

    Job 38:4 KJB - Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding

    Job 38:5 KJB - Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

    Job 38:6 KJB - Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

    Job 38:7 KJB - When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
    Those in that “far country”, even the “end of heaven”:

    Isaiah 13:5 KJB - They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.

    Matthew 21:33 KJB - Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:

    Matthew 25:14 KJB - For [the kingdom of heaven is] as a man travelling into a far country, [who] called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.

    Mark 12:1 KJB - And he began to speak unto them by parables. A [certain] man planted a vineyard, and set an hedge about [it], and digged [a place for] the winefat, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country.

    Luke 19:12 KJB - He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.

    Luke 20:9 KJB - Then began he to speak to the people this parable; A certain man planted a vineyard, and let it forth to husbandmen, and went into a far country for a long time.​
     
  5. The7thColporteur

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    The “so great a cloud of witnesses” who watch, with great interest, the Great Controversy, from above, and have given “good report” [Hebrews 11:2,39 KJB] of the elders gone before, and who have “obtained witness” [Hebrews 11:4 KJB] from those unfallen beings above. Consider well the words of Paul, when he uses the words “also” and “we” in connection with those elders gone previously, even all the way back to Abel:

    Hebrews 12:1 KJB - Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,​

    [A]ll that are in” Heaven, in general, who are the “servants” God:

    Ephesians 1:10 KJB - That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

    Ephesians 3:15 KJB - Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,

    Revelation 5:3 KJB - And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

    Revelation 5:4 KJB - And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

    Revelation 5:13 KJB - And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, [be] unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

    Revelation 19:5 KJB - And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.

    Revelation 19:6 KJB - And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
    The very “armies” and “hosts” of Heaven:

    Revelation 19:4 KJB - And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

    Revelation 19:19 KJB - And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

    Romans 9:29 KJB - And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.

    James 5:4 KJB - Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.
    The Lord of “Hosts” [sabaoth] [texts will generally be dualistic, for godly men [whose names written in heaven] and angelic beings [who physically are in/from heaven]]:

    Exodus 12:41; 1 Samuel 1:3,11, 4:4, 15:2, 17:45; 2 Samuel 5:10, 6:2,18, 7:8,26,27; 1 Kings 18:15, 19:10,14; 2 Kings 3:14, 19:31; 1 Chronicles 11:9, 17:7,24; Psalms 24:10, 46:7,11, 48:8, 59:5, 69:6, 80:4,7,14,19, 84:1,3,8,12, 89:8, 103:21; Isaiah 1:9,24, 2:12, 3:1,15, 5:7,9,16,24, 6:3,5, 8:13,18, 9:7,13,19, 10:16,23,24,26,33, 13:4,13, 14:12,23,24,27, 17:3, 18:7, 19:4,12,16,17,18,20,25, 21:10, 22:5,12,14,15,25, 23:9, 24:23, 25:6, 28:5,22,29, 29:6, 31:4,5, 37:16,32, 39:5, 44:6, 45:13, 47:4, 48:2, 51:15, 54:5; Jeremiah 2:19, 5:14, 6:6,9, 7:3,21, 8:3, 9:7,15,17, 10:16, 11:17,20,22, 15:16, 16:9, 19:3,11,15, 20:12, 23:15,16,36, 25:8,27,28,29,32, 26:18, 27:4,18,19,21, 28:2,14, 29:4,8,17,21,25, 30:8, 31:23,35, 32:14,15,18, 33:11,12, 35:13,17,18,19, 38:17, 39:16, 42:15,18, 43:10, 44:2,7,11,25, 46:10,18,25, 48:1,15, 49:5,7,26,35, 50:18,25,31,33,34, 51:5,14,19,33,57,58; Hosea 12:5; Amos 3:13, 4:13, 5:14,15,16,27, 6:8,14, 9:5; Micah 4:4; Nahum 2:13, 3:5; Habakkuk 2:13; Zephaniah 2:9,10; Haggai 1:2,5,7,9,14, 2:4,6,7,8,9,11,23; Zechariah 1:3,4,6,12,14,16,17, 2:8,9,11, 3:7,9,10, 4:6,9, 5:4, 6:12,15, 7:3,4,9,12,13, 8:1,2,3,4,6,7,9,11,14,18,19,20,21,22,23, 9:15, 10:3, 12:5, 13:2,7, 14:16,17,21; Malachi 1:4,6,8,9,10,11,13,14, 2:2,4,7,8,12,16, 3:1,5,7,10,11,12,14,17, 4:1,3​

    The King of “heaven” [which means there are beings in Heaven that God is King over]:

    Daniel 4:37​

    The Lord of “Heaven” [which means there are beings in Heaven that God is Lord over]:

    Matthew 11:25; Luke 10:21; Acts 17:24​

    The “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS” [there are Kings and Lords in Heaven, beneath God's rulership]:

    1 Timothy 6:15; Revelation 17:14, 19:16​

    The “Throne of God”, by which God rules all, those in the heavens, and in earth:

    1 Kings 22:19; 2 Chronicles 18:18; Job 26:9; Psalms 9:4,7, 11:4, 45:6, 47:8. 89:14, 93:2, 97:2, 103:19; Isaiah 6:1, 66:1; Jeremiah 3:17, 17:12; Lamentations 5:19; Ezekiel 1:26, 10:1, 43:7; Daniel 7:9; Zechariah 6:13; Matthew 5:34, 23:22; Acts 7:49; Hebrews 1:8, 4:16, 8:1, 12:2; Revelation 1:4, 3:21, 4:2,3,4,5,6,9,10, 5:1,6,7,11,13, 6:16, 7:9,10,11,15,17, 8:3, 12:5, 14:3,5, 16:17, 19:4,5, 20:11, 21:5, 22:1,3​

    The “kingdom of Heaven” [thus there are beings in Heaven which make up an heavenly kingdom, to be ruled by the King of Heaven, for instance: “... Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.” [Matthew 6:10 KJB] and “... Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.” [Luke 11:2 KJB]]:

    1 Chronicles 29:11; Daniel 2:44, 4:34, 7:27; Matthew 3:2, 4:17, 5:3,10,19,20, 6:10, 7:21, 8:11, 10:7, 11:11,12, 13:11,24,31,33,44,45,47,52, 16:19, 18:1,3,4,23, 19:12,14,23, 20:1, 22:2, 23:13, 25:1,14; Luke 11:2​

    The “Kingdom of God” [beings and places in heaven which make up God's kingdom of Heaven, and of which the Christians from this earth, are to become connected to once more, no longer to be separated from the continent of heaven]:

    Matthew 6:33, 12:28, 19:29, 21:31,43; Mark 1:14,15, 4:11,26,30, 9:1,47, 10:14,15,23,24,25, 12:34, 14:25, 15:43; Luke 4:43, 6:20, 7:28, 8:1,10, 9:2,11,27,60,62, 10:9,11, 11:20, 12:31, 13:18,20,28,29, 14:15, 16:16, 17:20,21, 18:16,17,24,25,29, 19:11, 21:31, 22:16,18, 23:51; John 3:3,5; Acts 1:3, 8:12, 14:22, 19:8, 20:25, 28:23,31; Romans 14:17; 1 Corinthians 4:20, 6:9,10, 15:24,50; Galatians 5:21; Ephesians 5:5; Colossians 4:11; 1 Thessalonians 2:12; 2 Thessalonians 1:5, 4:1; Hebrews 1:8, 12:28; James 2:5; Revelation 1:9, 12:10​

    Heavenly “thrones”:

    Daniel 7:9 KJB - I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

    Matthew 19:28 KJB - And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

    Colossians 1:16 KJB - For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

    Revelation 4:4 KJB - And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

    Revelation 11:16 KJB - And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

    Revelation 20:4 KJB - And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    Heavenly “dominions”, though God ruleth over all of the created:

    Job 25:2 KJB - Dominion and fear are with him, he maketh peace in his high places.

    Psalms 103:22 KJB - Bless the LORD, all his works in all places of his dominion: bless the LORD, O my soul.

    Psalms 114:2 KJB - Judah was his sanctuary, and Israel his dominion.

    Psalms 145:13 KJB - Thy kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and thy dominion endureth throughout all generations.

    Daniel 4:3 KJB - How great are his signs! and how mighty are his wonders! his kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and his dominion is from generation to generation.

    Daniel 4:34 KJB - And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:

    Daniel 6:26 KJB - I make a decree, That in every dominion of my kingdom men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel: for he is the living God, and stedfast for ever, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed, and his dominion shall be even unto the end.

    Micah 4:8 KJB - And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, even the first dominion; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem.

    Compare, to this world, before sin, a dominion was given to Adam the first, to rule, like as unto the other beings and the other unfallen worlds:

    Genesis 1:26 KJB - And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

    Genesis 1:28 KJB - And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

    Psalms 8:6 KJB - Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:
    Compare to the Dominion of Jesus, the second and last Adam [1 Corinthians 15:45,47 KJB] and His everlasting Dominion:

    Psalms 72:8 KJB - He shall have dominion also from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth.

    Daniel 7:27 KJB - And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

    Zechariah 9:10 KJB - And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.

    1 Peter 4:11 KJB - If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

    1 Peter 5:11 KJB - To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

    Jude 1:25 KJB - To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

    Revelation 1:6 KJB - And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

    Ephesians 1:20 KJB - Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

    Ephesians 1:21 KJB - Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

    Colossians 1:16 KJB - For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

    Jude 1:8 KJB - Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.​
     
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    Heavenly “principalities”:

    Romans 8:38 KJB - For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

    Ephesians 1:20 KJB - Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

    Ephesians 1:21 KJB - Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

    Ephesians 3:10 KJB - To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

    Ephesians 6:12 KJB - For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

    Colossians 1:16 KJB - For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

    Colossians 2:15 KJB - And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

    Titus 3:1 KJB - Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,
    Heavenly “powers”:

    Ephesians 1:20 KJB - Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

    Ephesians 1:21 KJB - Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

    Ephesians 3:10 KJB - To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

    Ephesians 6:12 KJB - For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

    Colossians 1:16 KJB - For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

    Titus 3:1 KJB - Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,

    1 Peter 3:22 KJB - Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

    The “rulers of ...” of Heaven:

    Ephesians 6:12 KJB - For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
    The rest of those good “things above”:

    Colossians 3:1 KJB - If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

    Colossians 3:2 KJB - Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.​

    Lucifer/Satan a fallen evil lesser arch-angel, once a covering cherub:

    1 Kings 22:22 KJB - And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

    1 Kings 22:23 KJB - Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

    2 Chronicles 18:21 KJB - And he said, I will go out, and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And the LORD said, Thou shalt entice him, and thou shalt also prevail: go out, and do even so.

    2 Chronicles 18:22 KJB - Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil against thee.

    Job 1:6 KJB - Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

    Job 1:7 KJB - And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

    Job 1:8 KJB - And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

    Job 1:9 KJB - Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?

    Job 1:12 KJB - And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

    Job 2:1 KJB - Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

    Job 2:2 KJB - And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

    Job 2:3 KJB - And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

    Job 2:4 KJB - And Satan answered the LORD, and said, Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life.

    Job 2:6 KJB - And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life.

    Job 2:7 KJB - So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown.

    Isaiah 14:12 KJB - How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

    Ezekiel 28:12 KJB - Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

    Ezekiel 28:13 KJB - Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

    Ezekiel 28:14 KJB - Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

    Ezekiel 28:15 KJB - Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

    Ezekiel 28:16 KJB - By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

    Ezekiel 28:17 KJB - Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

    Ezekiel 28:18 KJB - Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

    Ezekiel 28:19 KJB - All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

    Daniel 10:13 KJB - But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

    Daniel 10:20 KJB - Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.

    Luke 10:17 KJB - And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.

    Luke 10:18 KJB - And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

    2 Corinthians 11:14 KJB - And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.​

    General texts on “Satan”:

    1 Chronicles 1:21; Psalms 109:6; Zechariah 3:1,2; Matthew 4:10, 12:26, 16:23; Mark 1:13,23,26, 4:15, 8:33; Luke 4:8, 11:18, 13:16, 22:3,31; John 13:27; Acts 5:3, 26:18; Romans 16:20; 1 Corinthians 5:5, 7:5; 2 Corinthians 2:11, 12:7; 1 Thessalonians 2:18; 2 Thessalonians 2:9; 1 Timothy 1:20, 5:15; Revelation 2:9,13,24, 3:9, 12:9, 20:2,7​

    The “devil”:

    Matthew 4:1,5,8,11, 13:39, 25:41; Luke 4:2,3,5,6,13, 8:12; John 8:44, 13:2; Acts 10:38, 13:10; Ephesians 4:27, 6:11; 1 Timothy 3:6,7; 2 Timothy 2:26; Hebrews 2:14; James 4:7; 1 Peter 5:8; 1 John 3:8,10; Jude 1:9; Revelation 2:10, 12:9,12, 20:2,10​

    The “Serpent”:

    Genesis 3:1,2,4,13,14; Isaiah 27:1; 2 Corinthians 11:3; Revelation 12:9,14,15, 20:2​

    The “Dragon”:

    Isaiah 27:1, 51:9; Ezekiel 29:3; Revelation 12:3,4,7,9,13,16,17, 13:2,4,11, 16:13, 20:2​

    The “Leviathan”:

    Job 41:1; Psalms 74:14, 104:26; Isaiah 27:1​

    The “Wicked”:

    Matthew 13:19,38; Ephesians 6:6; 2 Thessalonians 2:8; 1 John 2:13,14, 3:12, 5:18​

    Baalzebub”, “Beelzebub”:

    2 Kings 1:2,3,6,16; Matthew 10:25, 12:24,27; Mark 3:22; Luke 11:15,18,19​

    The “roaring lion”:

    Proverbs 28:15; 1 Peter 5:8​

    The “throne of iniquity”, even “Satan's seat”, by which he rules over the children of disobedience, whether those angelic begins fallen from heaven, or those children of Adam of the earth:

    Psalms 94:20 KJB - Shall the throne of iniquity have fellowship with thee, which frameth mischief by a law?

    Revelation 2:13 KJB - I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

    Etc.​

    Jude 1:6 KJB - And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.​
     
  7. The7thColporteur

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    The “devils”, aka fallen evil angels and lesser evil arch-angels:

    Leviticus 17:7; Deuteronomy 32:17; 2 Chronicles 11:15; Psalms 106:37; Matthew 4:24, 7:22, 8:16,28,31,33, 9:32,33,34, 10:8, 11:18, 12:22,24,27,28, 15:22, 17:18; Mark 1:32,34,39, 3:15,22, 5:12,15,16,18, 6:13, 7:26,29,30, 9:38, 16:9,17; Luke 4:35,41, 7:33, 8:2,27,30,33,35,36,38, 9:1,42,49, 10:17, 11:14,15,18,19,20, 13:32; John 6:70, 7:20, 8:48,49,52, 10:20,21; 1 Corinthians 10:20,21; 1 Timothy 4:1; James 2:19; Revelation 9:20, 16:14, 18:2
    The order of the wicked, the “Legion”:

    Mark 5:8 KJB - For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.

    Mark 5:9 KJB - And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.

    Mark 5:11 KJB - Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.

    Mark 5:12 KJB - And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.

    Mark 5:13 KJB - And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked in the sea.

    Mark 5:15 KJB - And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.

    Luke 8:27 KJB - And when he went forth to land, there met him out of the city a certain man, which had devils long time, and ware no clothes, neither abode in any house, but in the tombs.

    Luke 8:29 KJB - (For he had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For oftentimes it had caught him: and he was kept bound with chains and in fetters; and he brake the bands, and was driven of the devil into the wilderness.)

    Luke 8:30 KJB - And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.

    Luke 8:31 KJB - And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep.

    Luke 8:32 KJB - And there was there an herd of many swine feeding on the mountain: and they besought him that he would suffer them to enter into them. And he suffered them.

    Luke 8:33 KJB - Then went the devils out of the man, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the lake, and were choked.​

    The same words for “angel” [mal'ak, aggelos], along with the words “apostle” and “ambassador”, in the King James Bible, also refer to the 'office' [not nature] of earthly created intelligences, as prophets, priests, kings, etc, whether good or evil, such as:

    Genesis 32:3,6; Numbers 20:14, 21:21, 22:5, 24:12; Deuteronomy 2:26; Joshua 6:17,25, 7:22; Judges 6:35, 7:24, 9:31, 11:12,13,14,17,19; 1 Samuel 6:21, 11:3,4,7,9, 16:19, 19:11,14,15,16,20,21, 23:27, 25:14,42; 2 Samuel 2:5, 3:12,14,26, 5:11, 11:4,19,22,23,25,27; 1 Kings 19:2, 20:2,5,9, 22:13; 2 Kings 1:3,5,16, 5:10, 6:32,33, 7:15, 9:18, 10:8, 14:8, 16:7, 17:4, 19:9,14,23; 1 Chronicles 14:1, 19:2,16; 2 Chronicles 18:12, 35:21, 36:15,16; Nehemiah 6:3; Job 1:14, 33:23; Proverbs 13:17, 16:14, 17:11; Isaiah 14:32, 18:2, 30:4, 33:7, 37:9,14, 42:19, 44:26; Jeremiah 27:3; Ezekiel 17:15, 23:16,40, 30:9; Nahum 2:13; Haggai 1:13; Malachi 2:7, 3:1.​
     
  8. Press On

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    I’ve been hearing “DISCLOSURE!” for a long time now. First off, would you believe our government? I wouldn’t; been around too long to buy everything they’re selling. :)

    But.....let’s assume it’s actually going to happen soon:

    Been studying this phenomenon a very long time....since the 60s. Had personal experiences with such when I was a big time New Ager. They’re the real deal.

    Deception; pure deception. They aren't what they claim, but people will fall all over themselves, including Christians.

    Many people will be hard at work night and day, trying to figure out a way to make a lot of money from this turn of events.

    Signs, lying wonders, the whole bit. I just didn’t think it would happen in my lifetime.

    I shrug and yawn as well...BUT....it will be quite disruptive and shake the foundations of our beloved cultural institutions, including religion.:preach:
     
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    Living Creatures”:

    Ezekiel 1:5,13,14,15,19, 3:13, 10:1,2,3,5,6,7,8,9,15,16,18,19,20, 11:22; “four beasts”: Revelation 4:6,8, 5:6,8,11,14, 6:1,6, 7:11, 14:3, 15:7, 19:4.​

    Four and Twenty Elders”, the leaders of the other unfallen worlds:

    Revelation 4:4,10, 5:5,6,8,11,14, 7:11,13, 11:16, 14:3, 19:4,

    see also “ancients”: Isaiah 24:23​

    In short, the 4 "living creatures", or the "four beasts" are all the unfallen peoples of the unfallen worlds, a represenation of the universal Kingdom of God. A beast in prophecy, is a Kingdom, or Nation, or political body of persons [Daniel 7:17,19 KJB, etc, such as: Genesis 49:9; Isaiah 27:1, 46:11; Jeremiah 4:7, 5:6, 12:8, 25:38, 49:19, 50:44; Ezekiel 17:3,7, 32:2; Daniel 7:7,19,23, 8:20,21; Joel 1:6; Micah 5:8; Revelation 13:1,2,3,7,11,12, 17:3,7,8,11,12, etc., KJB].

    The number 4, is the universal number [Genesis 2:10; Exodus 20:8-11 KJB, see four winds, north, south, east and west, four corners, four quarters, the four things in Proverbs, etc, etc], the number of the 4 quarters of space and time [as in the 4th generation]. Thus they represent all of the Heavenly kingdom of God before His throne, all the unfallen worlds circling the throne of Deity. Each of the four faces, represent a character of God, Godly, Kingly, Exalted, Humble, even as the Four Gospels portray Jesus, etc.

    In short, the 24 "Elders" or "ancients", are the Heavenly council, the 'presbyters' [if you please], of the unfallen Leaders of the unfallen worlds, the very “sons of God” who rule the unfallen worlds, as Adam [Luke 3:38 KJB], the first [1 Corinthians 15:45,46,47 KJB], on earth had [Genesis 1:26,28; Psalms 8:5 KJB] before his fall, and the angelic “morning stars. They are the central representation of all the unfallen worlds, the General Conference of Heaven if you please. They are not human [but take the prayers of the saints on earth before God, Revelation 5:7-8 KJB, as this is what unfallen Heavenly beings do, Daniel 9:21-23; Matthew 18:10; Acts 10:3-4 KJB, etc]. Also there are 24 hours in a day, which also corresponds with time, 12 hours in the daytime [John 11:9 KJB], 12 in the nighttime [Genesis 1:4; Ezekiel 18:25,29 KJB], as there are 12 Patriarchs in the OT [Genesis 35:22 KJB, etc], and 12 Apostles in the NT [Matthew 10:2; Luke 6:13, 22:14; Revelation 21:14 KJB]. 12 Gates and 12 Foundations [Revelation 21:12,13,21 KJB] of the Heavenly city, New Jersualem [Galatians 4:26; Revelation 3:12, 21:2,10, 22:19 KJB].

    Each of the 24 Elders have crowns already [thus are not the redeemed, who do not get crowns until after the resurrection, and they already existed in the OT] and white [Light] raiment as Adam did when he was given dominion [stewardship] of this world, before sin.

    See:

    Ezekiel 1:10, 10:14;
    Numbers 1:50-53, 2:2-3,5,7,9,10,12,14,16,17,18,20,22,24,25,27,29,31,34;
    Numbers 3:17,23,29,35,38,
    Revelation 5:5.

    The earthly model on earth, with Moses in the wilderness, with the peoples Israel and the 12 tribes, were a represtantion of the Heavenly government [which occultists twist, "As above, so below"]:

    Deuteronomy 1:15 KJB - So I took the chief of your tribes, wise men, and known, and made them heads over you, captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, and captains over fifties, and captains over tens, and officers among your tribes.​

    Matthew 6:10 KJB - Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

    Luke 11:2 KJB - And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
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    Let us see these things, again in brief, for a fuller documentation, I can post, but it is lengthy:

    Unfallen beings, on unfallen worlds [no, not little green, grey or reptilian, etc, that is satan's mockery of heaven,a mischaracterization, a misrepresentation, for Heavenly beings are glorious to behold, shining as the light]:

    The unfallen “worlds”, and the unfallen beings therein which “went not astray”, being “just persons, which need no repentance”:

    Hebrews 1:2 KJB - Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

    Hebrews 11:3 KJB - Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.​

    Side note, those of man-kind, which are in Christ Jesus, are the 'aliens' to the wicked, for we are the very strangers and pilgrims [Satan has counterfeited and reversed this] in the universe. In reverse, the unfallen worlds are the natural, and sinners are the unnatural, thus are alienated from God:​

    Hebrews 11:13 KJB - These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.​

    We are that one lost world, whom the Son of God, 'Jesus', left the '99' for in Heaven to come and save us, that he might come from that “far country” and deliver us, and “return home” with us, that we may once again have a “place” among those “many mansions”:

    Matthew 18:11 KJB - For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

    Matthew 18:12 KJB - How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?

    Matthew 18:13 KJB - And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that [sheep], than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.

    Luke 15:4 KJB - What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

    Luke 15:5 KJB - And when he hath found [it], he layeth [it] on his shoulders, rejoicing.

    Luke 15:6 KJB - And when he cometh home, he calleth together [his] friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.

    Luke 15:7 KJB - I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

    Revelation 12:12 KJB - Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
    John 14:1 KJB - Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

    John 14:2 KJB - In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

    John 14:3 KJB - And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.

    One may also see th connection of the 24 elders in the 24 hours, etc here -

    [Link 1]

    [Link 2]
     
  10. The7thColporteur

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    Therefore, in conclusion, "How will I react?" - I already know more than the Government about these things, because I believe what is written in my Bible [KJB]; for all wisdom comes from God.

    Therefore, they should have consulted the Bible [KJB], humbly, and prayerfully, and they wouldn't make such embarrassing blunders, by following what the Vatican Observatory tells them, etc.
     
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    If we do find life on other planets, it won't necessarily be sentient. It may take the form of bacteria, or another single-celled life form.

    Whatever we find, if we find it, I expect to think about it the way I think about all new scientific discoveries: with awe and gratitude and curiosity. The universe is amazing and beautiful, and its wonders bring glory to its Creator.
     
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    I believe they are evil demons or something like that, maybe even people, who try to deceive people. However, that I think will be seen after we know what they claim and say. Crucial thing is what is said, because it tells about the person, is it from God, or from something else. Same is with people also.
     
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    Aliens have been real since before Noah's Flood. They are evil angels, and possibly a mix of demons and evil angels.
     
  14. Press On

    Press On Giving up what I am to become what I will be.

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    Hello,

    I agree. The universe is so vast and eclectic; I find it hard to believe that earth alone, with all its myriad forms of intricate life, is all there is. It will be wonderful to explore His awesome “new heavens” when the time comes!

    What some people see and interact with now is, what I believe, interdimensional rather than interplanetary, and as I stated, not what they seem.
    Blessings.
     
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    The very “sons of God” who rule the unfallen worlds, as Adam [Luke 3:38 KJB], the first [1 Corinthians 15:45,46,47 KJB], on earth had [Genesis 1:26,28; Psalms 8:5 KJB] before his fall, and the angelic “morning stars”:

    Job 1:6 KJB - Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

    Job 2:1 KJB - Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

    Job 38:4 KJB - Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding

    Job 38:5 KJB - Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

    Job 38:6 KJB - Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

    Job 38:7 KJB - When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?​

    Side note, none of these Job texts, in regards the “sons of God”, are dealing with the Genesis 6-9 KJB account and are not referring to created heavenly beings. Job 1:6, 2:1 KJB deals with the timeframe in a period well after the flood, and Job 38:4-7 KJB deals with the timeframe long before the flood, when the earth was created. The only texts in Job which are dealing directly with the timeframe of the flood, are Job 22:15,16,17, 26:5 KJB, and please notice it speaks of “men”.

    For more on who the “sons of God” are in Genesis 6:2,4 KJB, please see Luke 3:38; Genesis 4:26 KJB, etc., and for the daughters of men, see Genesis 4:16-24 KJB.

    See also the following for “sons”, “children”, “father” of the good, etc:

    Genesis 6:2,4; Deuteronomy 14:1; 2 Samuel 7:14; Isaiah 8:18, 9:6, 63:16, 64:8; Hosea 1:10; Matthew 5:9,45 6:9; Luke 3:38, 6:35,36, 11:2, 20:26; John 1:12, 11:52, 12:36; Romans 1:7, 8:14,16,17,19,21, 9:8, 9:26 [citing Hosea 1:10 KJB]; 1 Corinthians 1:3; 2 Corinthians 1:2, 6:18; Galatians 1:4, 3:26, 4:6,7; Ephesians 5:1; Philippians 1:2, 2:15, 4:20; Colossians 1:2; 1 Thessalonians 1:1, 3:11,13; 2 Thessalonians 1:1,2, 2:16; Titus 1:4; Philemon 1:3; Hebrews 2:10,13 [citing Isaiah 8:18 KJB], 12:7,9; 1 Peter 1:3; 1 John 1:3, 3:1,2, 5:2.​

    See also the following for the “sons”, “children”, “father” of the evil, etc.:

    Genesis 3:15; Matthew 13:38; John 8:42,44; Acts 13:10; Romans 6:16, 9:8; Ephesians 2:2, 5:6; Colossians 3:6; Hebrews 12:8; 1 Peter 3:19 [compare to Psalms 142:7; Isaiah 42:6,7, 61:1; Luke 4:18 KJB], 3:20; 1 John 3:8,10,12, 4:4,5,6,7,8.​

    See the following for comparison with the Genesis 6:2,4 KJB account:

    See Abraham and Isaac in Genesis 24:3,37.

    See Esau and Jacob in Genesis 26:34,35, 28:8,9 [comparing to Jacob in Genesis 27:46, 28:1,6 KJB], 36:2.

    See Isaac and Jacob in Genesis 27:46, 28:1,6 KJB.

    See Jacob and Hamor in Genesis 34:9,14 KJB.

    See Moses in Exodus 34:15,16 KJB.

    See in Deuteronomy 17:17 KJB.

    See Balaam in Numbers 25:1,2,3 KJB.

    See in Judges 3:5,6,7 KJB.

    See Samson the Judge in Judges 14:1,2,3 KJB.

    See the Chronicles in 1 Chronicles 5:24,25 KJB.

    See Ezra in Ezra 9:1,2,11,12 KJB.

    See Nehemiah in Nehemiah 9:2, 10:28,29,30, 13:23,25,26,27 KJB.

    See Solomon in 1 Kings 11:1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 KJB.

    Many “Sons of God” “looked”/“saw” [“saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair” and “took them wives of all which they chose” [Genesis 6:2 KJB]] and "beheld" [Just as did Samson, “she pleaseth me well”, or King David who went after Bathsheba, the wife of Uriah the Hittite and his friend, through covetousness had Uriah killed in action “from the roof he saw a woman washing herself; and the woman [was] very beautiful to look upon” [2 Samuel 11:2, 12:9 KJB] and Solomon who “multiplied wives” and “loved many strange women” and all Israel who took of the “daughters of the land”], and then “lusted and coveted” and so were ensnared being “Vex[ed], Beguiled, To Commit Trespass Against The LORD, Commit Fornication, Eat things sacrificed unto Idols, worshipped idols” [Numbers 25:18, 31:16; Revelation 2:14 KJB]:

    Jude 1:11 KJB - Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.​

    See also the words of Jesus, as it was in the days of Noah and Lot:

    Job 21:7,14, 22:15,16,17; Matthew 24:37,38; Luke 17:26,27; 2 Peter 2:5, 3:3,6.​

    In the greater overall picture there is a like message and call for the “people of God” also today to “come out” of “Spiritual Babylon” [just as God had done with physical Babylon; Jeremiah 51:9; Isaiah 52:11 KJB] that “great Whore” [Revelation 17:1, 19:2 KJB]:

    See 2 Corinthians 6:14,15,16,17,18; Revelation 18:4 KJB.​

    For “giants” of men, after the flood, see:

    Genesis 10:8,9, 14:5, 15:20; Numbers 13:32,33; Deuteronomy 2:11,20,21, 3:11,13, 9:2; Joshua 12:4, 13:12, 15:8, 17:15, 18:16; 2 Samuel 5:18,22, 21:16,18,19,20,22; 1 Chronicles 11:23, 14:9, 20:4,5,6; Isaiah 17:5, 45:14​

    For “men of reknown” see:

    Numbers 1:16, 16:2, 26:9; 1 Chronicles 5:24, 12:30​

    For more specific details see the Sons of God article.

    Isaiah 14:13 KJB - For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:​

    Dualistic texts, for godly men [whose names written in heaven] and angelic beings [who physically are in/from heaven]:

    Psalm 29:1 KJB - [[A Psalm of David.]] Give unto the LORD, O ye mighty, give unto the LORD glory and strength.

    Psalms 89:6 KJB - For who in the heaven can be compared unto the LORD? who among the sons of the mighty can be likened unto the LORD?​
     
  16. The7thColporteur

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    The Epistle of Jude, the recounting of events of men and angels, and "Enoch also, the seventh from Adam" [Jude 1:14]:

    "For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ." [Jude 1:4]

    "I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not." [Jude 1:5]

    "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day." [Jude 1:6]

    "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." [Jude 1:7]

    "Likewise also these [filthy] dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities." [Jude 1:8]

    "Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee." [Jude 1:9]

    "But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves." [Jude 1:10]

    "Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core." [Jude 1:11]

    "These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds [they are] without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;" [Jude 1:12]

    "Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever." [Jude 1:13]

    "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints," [Jude 1:14]

    "To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him." [Jude 1:15]​

    Thus, with these texts [especially Jude 1:6,14] and their highlighted portions, along with their previous assertions concerning the events of Genesis 17, 18 and 19 and the "three men", we need to consider what it would mean for the "LORD" therein, to the Gospel, and for the remaining passages. Think for a moment, did the LORD take on human flesh at that point at all? Did the angels? No. They have their own "flesh", for as Paul says, "All Flesh is not the same flesh"...

    Again, we should ask, as we had previously done in Genesis 6, "What is the very context of the Epistle of Jude primarily concerned with, men or angels?"

    It is primarily concerned with warning about "certain men crept in unawares",*"ungodly men",*"people" and "mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts" but it does also mention the judgment against even "the angels which kept not their first estate" which shows that "God is no respecter of persons" [Acts 10:34] when it comes to all who are "ungodly", yet the two and even three examples are not the same examples, but different and at differing times and in differing contexts.

    But even moreso, let us consider what the Epistle of Jude actually says concerning men and angels and see if there is any validity to this "hybrid" theory about 'angels' descending to 'mate' [though Scripture actually says "took them wives", as Jesus spoke of, "marrying and giving in marriage"] with human woman.

    Please go back and reread the texts of Jude 1:4-14 and let us notice something very interesting in the Word of Truth [being "sharper than any two-edged sword"; Hebrews 4:12] which forever 'untangles' the "hybrid" theorists 'gordian knot'.

    The Chiasm of Jude:

    Jude 1:5 [A.] - speaks of Men and rebellion, "the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt", but yet there were those who "believed not" [faithless, and so they continued in sin] - these "ungodly" were destroyed [first death, thus reserved in the grave until they are raised in the second resurrection to meet final execution of judgment].

    Jude 1:6 [B.] -* speaks of Angels and rebellion, those who left their "first estate" [literally Arch offices, like Lucifer/Satan, the one-time "anointed cherub that coverth" [Ezekiel 28:14] at the Throne of God] - these who "kept not their first estate" and "left their habitation" [these rebellious Angels willfully, by the iniquitous "traffick" [Ezekiel 28:18] of Lucifer/Satan, refused the good position God had originally and lovingly given them and left it and their responsibility, and so they left the place which would have forever filled their joy and happiness, and coveted other places in the Kingdom of God, as Lucifer coveted the position of 'Jesus'/Michael] are reserved in "chains of darkness" unto "the judgment of the great day" [they are not yet destroyed, being reserved unto final punishment, but they will be in that day finally destroyed, though now they are chained by circumstances, unable to leave this world]

    Jude 1:7 [C.]- speaks of Men and rebellion at "Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them", in all manner of abominations "giving themselves over to fornication" and "going after strange flesh" - these were set forth for an example for all "ungodly" who will be destroyed by fire in the final meting out of judgment in that final day [second Death].​

    Notice that each verse is a completely separate event, Jude 1:5 - Egypt [earthly], Jude 1:6 - Heaven [heavenly], Jude 1:7 - Sodom and Gomorrah [earthly], etc, all tied to Judgment, and none of which mention Noah or the Flood and its events.

    Jude 1:8 actually seals this Chiasm in its singular verse by covering again those events in reverse order.* Notice of Jude 1:8:

    "dreamers defile the flesh" Jude 1:8 [C1] - compare to Jude 1:7 [C] [as those in Sodom/Gomorrah]

    "despise dominion" Jude 1:8 [B1] - compare to Jude 1:6 [as the Angels despised God and their God-given place]

    "speak evil of dignities" Jude 1:8 [A1] - compare to Jude 1:5 [A] [as they did to Moses]

    Therefore Jude's Chiasm reveals that the words "defile the flesh" [vs 8 C1] have nothing to do with and are not applied to the Angel passage and those who "kept not their first estate" and having "left their habitation" [vs 6 B] , but rather refers directly to the passage dealing with Men of "Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them" who "gave themselves over to fornication" [vs 7 C]. The "going after strange flesh" [vs 7 C], refers to men not in "fornication" with any angelic hosts, but simply their attempt, having 'gone after' them, thinking that they were men, not angels, for they were burning in their lusts as now, see vs 16,18 of Jude.

    The Chiasm does not stop here, but repeats again, utilizing other examples in vss 9-13. For example, the passage about Michael/Jesus refers to not speaking evil of dignities. Also in vs 11, we see three examples again:

    Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. - Jude 1:11

    [1] the way of Cain, despising dominion, went out from the LORD.
    [2] ran greedily after the error of Balaam; dealing with lusts.
    [3] perished in the gainsaying of Core [Korah], speaking evil of Moses, etc.​

    The passage, Jude 1:7, does not say, in English or Greek, "fornication" twice. See for yourself:

    Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. - Jude 1:7

    ὡς Σόδομα καὶ Γόμορρα καὶ αἱ περὶ αὐτὰς πόλεις τὸν ὅμοιον τούτοις τρόπον ἐκπορνεύσασαι καὶ ἀπελθοῦσαι ὀπίσω σαρκὸς ἑτέρας πρόκεινται δεῖγμα, πυρὸς αἰωνίου δίκην ὑπέχουσαι. - Jude 1:7 GNT TR​

    The two words/phrases are not the same and do not meant the same thing. "Fornication" is one thing, and the "going after" [but not obtaining] another. There is no record of men anywhere in Scripture "fornicating" with angelic hosts [it is the figment of the carnal imagination], and especially not in this verse, since it is a direct reference to Genesis 17-19, wherein the corrupt men of the city of Sodom, never laid a finger on any of the angelic host, though they "went after" them, they believing them to have been human men, because the angels had veiled their glory as a test to Lot and to the City itself.

    This is cited in 1 Corinthians 15 itself, which also uses the word "ετεραG2087 A-NSF", "one/other" in relation to "somata"/"bodies":

    [There are] also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial [is] one, and the [glory] of the terrestrial [is] another. - 1 Corinthians 15:40

    καιG2532 CONJ σωματαG4983 N-NPN επουρανιαG2032 A-NPN καιG2532 CONJ σωματαG4983 N-NPN επιγειαG1919 A-NPN αλλG235 CONJ ετεραG2087 A-NSF μενG3303 PRT ηG3588 T-NSF τωνG3588 T-GPN επουρανιωνG2032 A-GPN δοξαG1391 N-NSF ετεραG2087 A-NSF δεG1161 CONJ ηG3588 T-NSF τωνG3588 T-GPN επιγειωνG1919 A-GPN 1 Corinthians 15:40 Greek with Robinson's Morphological Analysis Codes and Strong's Numbers
    The flesh of the angelic hosts is not the same as human-kinds flesh, as demonstrated throughout.

    This same [root] word "hetero" is utilized in the following passages and is also recognized in the following words and uses, please take note of the example, "ἑτερόγλωσσος", which means "other/foreign language", or a language not the same as another - Kata Biblon Wiki Lexicon - Ε ε - Index :

    So on the Nature of Men and of Angels, "All flesh [is] not the same flesh..." [1 Corinthians 15:39;p]

    Only mankind was given the command to "multiply", "replenish [fill] the earth", "bring forth after their kind", etc.
     
  17. The7thColporteur

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    Angels having another kind of "flesh" than human flesh, it is hetero-sarx. The very Chiasm of the text removes any possibility of angel-fornication or procreation, and further-more, 'fornication' [as you hold to among devils/humans] in no way states anything about procreation or giving of offspring, for differing "kinds" cannot bring offspring, as it is written in Genesis 1, for "kind" may only bring forth after "kind". The two [procreation, fornication] are not equal terms either. Additionally, in Genesis 6, wherein the "sons of God", not 'devils' "took them wives". Since when is marriage [as Christ Jesus stated about the days of Noah] to "wives", fornication, since it is written:

    Marriage [is] honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. - Hebrews 13:4

    Man-kind "of this world" has "seed". Where in any text, do angels [which are not of this world], ever have "seed"? Please produce that text as soon as you are able.

    Lastly, out of all of Scripture, nowhere, in any text, in the lists of the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah, is ever given as devil-human fornication.

    Nowhere in Jude, Genesis 17-19, did any man actually perpetrate any sexual contact with the "two angels", but scripture elsewhere proclaims more specifically the "abominations" which actually took place there in those cities [homosexual acts amongst men and amongst women, both laying with beasts, incest [as even Lot's daughters still managed to retain the idea of from such wicked cities, Genesis 19:31-38], all manner of fornication, lasciviousness, etc.].

    See Exodus 22:19; Leviticus 18:6-30, 20:10-27; Deuteronomy 22:5, 24:4, 29:23, 32:32-33; Proverbs 6:16-19; Jeremiah 49:18, 50:40; 1 Corinthians 6:19; 1 Timothy 1:10; "sin of Sodom" [Lamentations 4:6; Isaiah 3:9]; their "sin is very grievous" [Genesis 18:20], not only was "pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy" prevalent but also committing "abomination/s" [Ezekiel 16:46-50] and "the men of Sodom [were] wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly" [Genesis 13:13;p] and thinking only about men, not knowing who the "two" actually were, those of the city of Sodom "the men of the city, [even] the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:" [Genesis 19:4;p] said, "Where [are] the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them." [Genesis 19:5] being the "the iniquity of the city" [Genesis 19:18] and vacillating/compromising Lot still tries to appease them with his own daughters [Genesis 19:8].

    "...God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:" [Romans 1:26]

    "And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet." [Romans 1:27]
    There is no mention in Genesis 6 of 'devils'-human fornication, nor in 2 Peter, nor in Jude, nor in Job, nor mentioned by Jesus, etc, etc. It is non-existent, a lie, a deception of satan.
     
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    Wouldn't it be a good deception though if the rapture [catching away] happens and then "aliens" are being blamed and that is how the NWO is started ? Just a thought.
     
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    [1] Hebrews 2:16, reveals that 'the angelic hosts' [the created beings of Heaven], do not have the same "nature"/"flesh" ["strange flesh" Jude 1:7] as humans do, and are not the same "kind" as human "kind", which are both "male" and "female". A "Kind" on earth [terrestrial], can only reproduce after its "Kind", for this is the Law of "flesh" and "seed" from the beginning:

    For verily he took not on [him the nature of] angels; but he took on [him] the seed of Abraham. - Hebrews 2:16

    And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, [and] the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed [is] in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. - Genesis 1:11

    And the earth brought forth grass, [and] herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed [was] in itself, after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good. - Genesis 1:12

    And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good. - Genesis 1:21

    And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. - Genesis 1:24

    And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good. - Genesis 1:25

    Thus as it is written, not all "flesh" is the same "flesh", and there is also the matter of "celestial" "flesh"/"body", and another of "terrestrial" "flesh"/"body":

    But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. - 1 Corinthians 15:38

    All flesh [is] not the same flesh: but [there is] one [kind of] flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, [and] another of birds. - 1 Corinthians 15:39

    [There are] also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial [is] one, and the [glory] of the terrestrial [is] another. - 1 Corinthians 15:40

    [There is] one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for [one] star differeth from [another] star in glory. - 1 Corinthians 15:41

    Yes, the angelic hosts and the 'sons of God' [the beings of the other created unfallen worlds] have "flesh"/"bod[ies]" and are not ethereal, gaseous non-entities, but are tangible beings as you or I, but they unlike us, are unfallen [except for the wicked angels that rebelled with Lucifer].

    As a side note, some seem to think that because we cannot presently see most angels [though some have been seen and spoken with men, and some are seen even today, and some have veiled their glory and looked as an ordinary human [Hebrews 13:2, etc], as with certain instances in Scripture, to which we shall delve into in a bit] that are on earth, it means they are without substance or flesh, but this is not in the definition of invisible. Invisible is not equal to ethereal. I shall come to more on this later, in further Scriptural demonstration.

    [2] Nowhere is it stated in Scripture, even once, that any of 'the angelic hosts' can be fruitful, reproduce, bring forth abundantly or multiply, even though it is said in multiple places for this world's creatures ["upon the earth", "in the earth", "therein", etc]:

    And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. - Genesis 1:20

    And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. - Genesis 1:22

    And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. - Genesis 1:28

    Bring forth with thee every living thing that [is] with thee, of all flesh, [both] of fowl, and of cattle, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth; that they may breed abundantly in the earth, and be fruitful, and multiply upon the earth. - Genesis 8:17

    And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. - Genesis 9:1

    And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein. - Genesis 9:7

    And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. - Genesis 17:6

    And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. - Genesis 17:20

    And he removed from thence, and digged another well; and for that they strove not: and he called the name of it Rehoboth; and he said, For now the LORD hath made room for us, and we shall be fruitful in the land. - Genesis 26:22

    And God Almighty bless thee, and make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, that thou mayest be a multitude of people; - Genesis 28:3

    And God said unto him, I [am] God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins; - Genesis 35:11

    And the name of the second called he Ephraim: For God hath caused me to be fruitful in the land of my affliction. - Genesis 41:52

    And said unto me, Behold, I will make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, and I will make of thee a multitude of people; and will give this land to thy seed after thee [for] an everlasting possession. - Genesis 48:4

    Joseph [is] a fruitful bough, [even] a fruitful bough by a well; [whose] branches run over the wall: - Genesis 49:22

    And the children of Israel were fruitful, and increased abundantly, and multiplied, and waxed exceeding mighty; and the land was filled with them. - Exodus 1:7

    For I will have respect unto you, and make you fruitful, and multiply you, and establish my covenant with you. - Leviticus 26:9

    Thy wife [shall be] as a fruitful vine by the sides of thine house: thy children like olive plants round about thy table. - Psalm 128:3

    And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase. - Jeremiah 23:3

    Thy mother [is] like a vine in thy blood, planted by the waters: she was fruitful and full of branches by reason of many waters. - Ezekiel 19:10

    Though he be fruitful among [his] brethren, an east wind shall come, the wind of the LORD shall come up from the wilderness, and his spring shall become dry, and his fountain shall be dried up: he shall spoil the treasure of all pleasant vessels. - Hosea 13:15
     
  20. Press On

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    That idea has been postulated. An interesting one to be sure.
     
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