How were you taught Evolution?

[justlookinla]

Oh look....it's now 28 to ZERO who state that the teaching of evolution is devoid of any atheism...!

How about the teaching of atheistic Darwinist creationism?

 

[Kylie]

I'm claiming, as I have for quite a while now, that there is no evidence for the creationist viewpoint that humanity was created entirely, solely, completely by naturalistic mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago.

And I provided the evidence that you say is lacking. Read it. But don't cry foul and say when it isn't there when I've provided it, okay?

 

[Kylie]

I'm not avoiding the real world question of what/who created humanity. Why not simply address a relevant question concerning our existence?

You don't seem to realise that the term "created" implies a creator. Some entity taking action to produce a desired outcome.

Are storm clouds created or do they just form through entirely natural processes?

 

[justlookinla]

And I provided the evidence that you say is lacking. Read it. But don't cry foul and say when it isn't there when I've provided it, okay?

Nope, you haven't. You gave a link, which isn't evidence.

 

[justlookinla]

You don't seem to realise that the term "created" implies a creator. Some entity taking action to produce a desired outcome.

Are storm clouds created or do they just form through entirely natural processes?

Humanity didn't exist. Now humanity exists. How? Why?

This is what's not being answered.

 

[Atheos canadensis]

What same lessons? You're not suggesting that Christian schools are teaching that humanity is the creation of only, solely, completely natural mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago, are you?

I'm saying, like various other teachers and students, that Christian schools are presenting exactly the same material in their lessons on evolution. Do you understand this? If you disagree, please provide evidence. Note: by evidence I don't mean a reiteration of your premise.

The question is, and of course you avoided this with your leanding and misleading poll questions, what creationist viewpont is being taught in our schools. Is it one of humanity being created humanity by only, solely, completely natural mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago, or is there another creationist viewpoint being taught?

No, the question is whether there is a creationist viewpoint being taught at all. According to 100% of testimonies so far, the answer is no. And your only rebuttal is to ask some variation of "Well then how do you explain the fact that schools are teaching atheist creationism?" You don't seem to understand that this is the premise you need to support; you can't use it as your starting point. Well you can, but that's a logical fallacy.

If you're disputing that the following isn't taught in our public schools today, please tell us what is being taught which is substantially in conflict with this particular creationist view......

"Darwinism is a theory of biological evolution developed by Charles Darwin and others, stating that all species of organisms arise and develop through the natural selection of small, inherited variations that increase the individual's ability to compete, survive, and reproduce. "

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Anything?

I don't dispute that this is taught. The point it that it is taught by Christian and secular schools alike. Because stating the known, scientifically examinable mechanisms by which humanity arose is not the same as stating that there could not possibly be any other forces at work. Christians here have agreed that the above definition is what they were taught in Christian schools. So obviously it isn't "atheistic creationism".

 

[Kylie]

Nope, you haven't. You gave a link, which isn't evidence.

The link provides the evidence. CLick on the link and a new tab will openand the information will be displayed. The evidence does not cease to exist just because you have a hissy fit about it.

 

[Kylie]

Humanity didn't exist. Now humanity exists. How? Why?

This is what's not being answered.

Answer the question. Is creation by some entity the only way things can come into existence? Yes or no?

 

[Armoured]

The link provides the evidence. CLick on the link and a new tab will openand the information will be displayed. The evidence does not cease to exist just because you have a hissy fit about it.

That's pretty much his MO. Pretend evidence doesn't exist if he hasn't seen it, while at the same time refusing to look at evidence that can't, to his mind, exist.

 

[Atheos canadensis]

That's pretty much his MO. Pretend evidence doesn't exist if he hasn't seen it, while at the same time refusing to look at evidence that can't, to his mind, exist.

Can this problem be circumvented by pasting information instead of providing bare links? Or does he refuse to read anything pasted?

 

[PsychoSarah]

No evidence.

So why should we care?

 

[justlookinla]

I'm saying, like various other teachers and students, that Christian schools are presenting exactly the same material in their lessons on evolution. Do you understand this? If you disagree, please provide evidence. Note: by evidence I don't mean a reiteration of your premise.

Do you understand that Christian schools, by their very nature, do not teach that mankind was created solely by naturalistic processes acting on a single life form from long long ago. Are you aware that Christian schools teach this concerning the creation of humanity....

Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
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How can you suggest that Christian schools teach the same creationist viewpoint as public schools?

No, the question is whether there is a creationist viewpoint being taught at all.

Of course there is. There is two basic creationist viewpoints, some variations, but basically two....

1) Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

2) Darwinism is a theory of biological evolution developed by Charles Darwin and others, stating that all species of organisms arise and develop through the natural selection of small, inherited variations.

According to 100% of testimonies so far, the answer is no. And your only rebuttal is to ask some variation of "Well then how do you explain the fact that schools are teaching atheist creationism?" You don't seem to understand that this is the premise you need to support; you can't use it as your starting point. Well you can, but that's a logical fallacy.

The starting point is determining who/what created humanity. Then go from there.

I don't dispute that this is taught. The point it that it is taught by Christian and secular schools alike.

No, there are basically two different worldviews of creation taught in public and Christian schools. As noted above.

Because stating the known, scientifically examinable mechanisms by which humanity arose is not the same as stating that there could not possibly be any other forces at work.

What other creationist view of how humanity was created is taught in public schools other than the view that humanity is the result of solely, completely, totally naturalistic mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago. The truth is, and you're aware of this I'm sure, none. No other view. That's it. Kiddos, you're without a doubt, without question, the result of solely, only, completely naturalistic mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago. Atheistic creationist worldview of humanity, in other words.

Christians here have agreed that the above definition is what they were taught in Christian schools. So obviously it isn't "atheistic creationism".

Christians do not accept the creationist view that humanity is the result of solely, completely, totally naturalistic mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago. That view would be contrary to the very basic view in Christianity that humanity is a direct creation of God

 

[justlookinla]

So why should we care?

It's a personal choice to care or not.

 

[justlookinla]

The link provides the evidence. CLick on the link and a new tab will openand the information will be displayed. The evidence does not cease to exist just because you have a hissy fit about it.

You're apparently unable to actually post evidence. Your meaningless comments about not posting evidence are just that....meaningless.

 

[PsychoSarah]

It's a personal choice to care or not.

Can you force yourself to care about stuff? Make yourself care about the color of my grandmother's carpet.

 

[justlookinla]

Answer the question. Is creation by some entity the only way things can come into existence? Yes or no?

Nope, you answer the question instead of attempting to change the focus.

Humanity didn't exist. Now humanity exists. Why? How?

 

[justlookinla]

That's pretty much his MO. Pretend evidence doesn't exist if he hasn't seen it, while at the same time refusing to look at evidence that can't, to his mind, exist.

The MO of atheistic creationists is to claim there is evidence, but then not actually present the evidence themselves for the atheistic creationist viewpoint that all of life, including humanity, is the result of only, completely, solely naturalistic mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago.

Hope the lurkers are watching this.

 

[justlookinla]

Can this problem be circumvented by pasting information instead of providing bare links? Or does he refuse to read anything pasted?

I've asked repeatedly for a copy and paste of the alleged evidence that all of life, including humanity, is the result of only, totally, completely, solely naturalistic mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago. Evidence for atheistic creationism in other words.

 

[justlookinla]

Can you force yourself to care about stuff? Make yourself care about the color of my grandmother's carpet.

I can force myself to care about the destination of the Godless individual upon his/her death. Die without Christ and you'll spend time in a devil's hell.

That's something to care about, IMO.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I can force myself to care about the destination of the Godless individual upon his/her death. Die without Christ and you'll spend time in a devil's hell.

That's something to care about, IMO.

Ah, but does it phase you in the slightest to think of all the poor people who never rest in piece because they aren't buried with money to pay the toll for the afterlife?