How were you taught Evolution?

[justlookinla]

Even with in respect to the question of children being taught "atheistic creationism" implicitly you have been proven wrong. Please explain how Christian schools which openly acknowledge God as the creator are teaching atheistic creationism. You've dodged this question many times now.

No, I haven't been proven wrong. Christian schools do not teach that humanity is the result of only, solely, naturalistic mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago. That's an inherently atheistic creationist viewpoint contrary to the bible.

 

[Atheos canadensis]

No, I haven't been proven wrong. Christian schools do not teach that humanity is the result of only, solely, naturalistic mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago. That's an inherently atheistic creationist viewpoint contrary to the bible.

And yet we have first-hand testimony that Christian schools are teaching the same mechanisms of evolution as secular schools. Therefore if the Christians aren't teaching atheistic creationism, neither are the secular schools.

 

[justlookinla]

And yet we have first-hand testimony that Christian schools are teaching the same mechanisms of evolution as secular schools. Therefore if the Christians aren't teaching atheistic creationism, neither are the secular schools.

We do not have first hand testimony that Christian schools are teaching that humanity is the creation of only, completely, totally, solely naturalistic mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago.

 

[Atheos canadensis]

We do not have first hand testimony that Christian schools are teaching that humanity is the creation of only, completely, totally, solely naturalistic mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago.

We have people here who say their lessons on evolution in Christian schools were the same as those in secular schools. If the content of the lessons is the same, how do you know that the latter are teaching atheistic creationism?

 

[justlookinla]

We have people here who say their lessons on evolution in Christian schools were the same as those in secular schools. If the content of the lessons is the same, how do you know that the latter are teaching atheistic creationism?

Christian schools attribute the creation of humanity to God in some form or fashion while atheistic creationism taught in public schools teach that humanity is created solely by naturalistic forces.

The atheistic creationism taught in the public schools is what's going to be challenged in the courts.

 

[Atheos canadensis]

Christian schools attribute the creation of humanity to God in some form or fashion while atheistic creationism taught in public schools teach that humanity is created solely by naturalistic forces.

The atheistic creationism taught in the public schools is what's going to be challenged in the courts.

Christian schools attribute creation to God only in religion classes, not in science classes. So how could the Christian schools teaching evolution properly but secular schools be teaching atheistic creationism if the content of the science classes is the same?

 

[biggles53]

Christian schools attribute creation to God only in religion classes, not in science classes. So how could the Christian schools teaching evolution properly but secular schools be teaching atheistic creationism if the content of the science classes is the same?

We'll said....as a teacher, I am familiar with the curricula taught in both our state and religious systems here in Australia. The syllabus in biology is identical for both...

As you point out, the involvement of a god in the evolutionary process is dealt with separately in Religious Education classes....

 

[justlookinla]

Christian schools attribute creation to God only in religion classes, not in science classes. So how could the Christian schools teaching evolution properly but secular schools be teaching atheistic creationism if the content of the science classes is the same?

If you think that Christian schools teach that humanity is the creation of only, solely, completely naturalistic mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago, continue to believe that.

Christian schools teach a theistic creation, not an atheistic creation. Go figure.

 

[justlookinla]

We'll said....as a teacher, I am familiar with the curricula taught in both our state and religious systems here in Australia. The syllabus in biology is identical for both...

As you point out, the involvement of a god in the evolutionary process is dealt with separately in Religious Education classes....

Do the religious schools teach that humanity is the creation of a totally, completely, solely naturalistic mechanism acting on a single life form from long long ago?

 

[Atheos canadensis]

If you think that Christian schools teach that humanity is the creation of only, solely, completely naturalistic mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago, continue to believe that.

Christian schools teach a theistic creation, not an atheistic creation. Go figure.

You didn't answer the question, as usual. Again, how could the Christian schools be teaching evolution properly but secular schools be teaching atheistic creationism if the content of the science classes is the same?

 

[justlookinla]

You didn't answer the question, as usual. Again, how could the Christian schools be teaching evolution properly but secular schools be teaching atheistic creationism if the content of the science classes is the same?

Again, and we'll do this as long as you like, Christian schools do not teach that humanity is the creation of only, solely, completely natural mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago. Your claim is in error. Like the leading and misleading questions in your poll.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Again, and we'll do this as long as you like, Christian schools do not teach that humanity is the creation of only, solely, completely natural mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago. Your claim is in error. Like the leading and misleading questions in your poll.

No schools teach that, so...

 

[Atheos canadensis]

Again, and we'll do this as long as you like, Christian schools do not teach that humanity is the creation of only, solely, completely natural mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago. Your claim is in error. Like the leading and misleading questions in your poll.

So if they aren't teaching that, and their science lessons are the same as the secular schools, the secular schools must not be teaching it wither. Unless you can actually articulate why the same lessons contain different metaphysical messages.

To support my position I have the testimony of students and teachers alike who had experience in both Christian and secular schools. They say evolution is being taught the same way. Yet you insist that they are teaching it differently. Are you able to support this instead of simply asserting it ad nauseum?

 

[quatona]

Again, you've merely reiterated rather than support your premise. Do understand how debate works?



Probably not. Quatona mentioned both theological classes and Catholic classes. The former would likely be taught much the same in public schools whereas the latter would not be taught at all, i suspect. But if you wish to claim that Christian schools are teaching pure evolution whereas secular schools are teaching atheistic creationism, that means the only difference is in the official beliefs of the institutions (remember, we many teachers in secular schools are Christians), not the actual material that's being presented. In other words, both types of school are teaching the same thing from which either metaphysical leap can be made.

Can´t say anything about America, but over here Comparative Religion is a regular class in public schools. So the atheistic position is taught neither explicitly nor implicitly.
For Creationism to be taught in science classes it would have to come up with a scientific theory, in the first place.

 

[quatona]

Again, and we'll do this as long as you like, Christian schools do not teach that humanity is the creation of only, solely, completely natural mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago.

...and neither do public schools.

 

[justlookinla]

No schools teach that, so...

What do schools teach concerning how humanity was created other than by only, solely, completely natural mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago?

 

[justlookinla]

So if they aren't teaching that, and their science lessons are the same as the secular schools, the secular schools must not be teaching it wither. Unless you can actually articulate why the same lessons contain different metaphysical messages.

What same lessons? You're not suggesting that Christian schools are teaching that humanity is the creation of only, solely, completely natural mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago, are you?

To support my position I have the testimony of students and teachers alike who had experience in both Christian and secular schools. They say evolution is being taught the same way. Yet you insist that they are teaching it differently. Are you able to support this instead of simply asserting it ad nauseum?

The question is, and of course you avoided this with your leanding and misleading poll questions, what creationist viewpont is being taught in our schools. Is it one of humanity being created humanity by only, solely, completely natural mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago, or is there another creationist viewpoint being taught?

If you're disputing that the following isn't taught in our public schools today, please tell us what is being taught which is substantially in conflict with this particular creationist view......

"Darwinism is a theory of biological evolution developed by Charles Darwin and others, stating that all species of organisms arise and develop through the natural selection of small, inherited variations that increase the individual's ability to compete, survive, and reproduce. "

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Anything?

 

[justlookinla]

Again, and we'll do this as long as you like, Christian schools do not teach that humanity is the creation of only, solely, completely natural mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago. Your claim is in error. Like the leading and misleading questions in your poll.

...and neither do public schools.

What do they teach created humanity as a species other than it being created entirely, solely, completely by naturalistic mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago?

I'd be interested in hearing what alternate theory you were taught in school.

 

[justlookinla]

Can´t say anything about America, but over here Comparative Religion is a regular class in public schools. So the atheistic position is taught neither explicitly nor implicitly.
For Creationism to be taught in science classes it would have to come up with a scientific theory, in the first place.

Creationism is being taught in science classes. Only one single view of creationism, but creationism nonetheless.

 

[quatona]

What do they teach created humanity as a species other than it being created entirely, solely, completely by naturalistic mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago?

This isn´t taught in school, no matter how often you repeat this claim.
Science classes teach the scientific facts. Metaphysical assumptions are neither taught nor excluded. Get over it.

I'd be interested in hearing what alternate theory you were taught in school.

Alternate to which theory? Your strawman theory (which isn´t actually taught), or evolution theory (which is being taught)?
In the latter case, none. There is no alternative scientific theory that qualifies for being taught in science classes.