How We Juneteenth

[Tone]

I don’t get how Juneteenth is a racial holiday of any kind. I would have thought emancipation and the abolition of slavery would be something all decent Americans would care to celebrate. It should absolutely be a national holiday as black history is American history.

Funny how so many that have outraged over a couple statues being brought down seem to not have a problem with glossing over this part of our nation’s history.

My only point is that slavery isn't so historical. But yeah, I guess people will be happy with marking such milestones. It's not for me though as I await full freedom.

 

[Tone]

Dangerous for who? Why would celebrating the end of slavery be dangerous?

Because, it is a comma and not a period. Why should people be pleased with old good intentions?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Because, it is a comma and not a period. Why should people be pleased with old good intentions?

Everything in history is a comma and not a period. In that case we shouldn’t celebrate anything since we’ll likely never reach the end of the sentence.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

My only point is that slavery isn't so historical. But yeah, I guess people will be happy with marking such milestones. It's not for me though as I await full freedom.

That is perfectly fine. No one is required to celebrate anything they don’t want to.

 

[Tone]

Everything in history is a comma and not a period. In that case we shouldn’t celebrate anything since we’ll likely never reach the end of the sentence.

Yeah, I already said as much in the beginning of the thread. We should be concerned with His Holy Days and await His Jubilee.

 

[SummerMadness]

If this level of opposition and scrutiny was given for other holidays, the opposition or complaints over Juneteenth wouldn't be so suspect. We just had Memorial Day a few weeks ago, I didn't hear this opposition, and I suspect there will be silence come US Independence Day in two weeks. Nonetheless, I've heard this sentiment before, when there was discussion of same-sex marriage, suddenly people discovered their newfound support for no government recognition of marriage. It's like demanding everything be thrown out if it looks like someone is "getting something." Juneteenth is a celebration/milestone for all Americans.

 

[Kaon]

Race problems will not be fixed by emancipation day. This goes deeper than what you might think. Racism on all sides exist, until people can see others as real persons they will continue to sow discord.

If racism on all sides exist, then why is there a clear and disproportionate quality of life for discernible groups in America (if we are being honest)? Prejudice exists on all sides, I agree. But only a few "sides" are benefiting from the dehumanization and subjugation of others - that is racism.

Race problems weren't fixed in 70 years because acknowledging that there are groups of citizens that benefit off of the detriment of others is to remove the veil on American Excellence. It is about ignorance, not depth or the "omnipresence" of racism.

And, when Americans citizens apologize for Americans citizens being killed by law enforcement, it is just another iteration of very recent history.

 

[Lord Give Me A Sign]

This is a tough one because i have alot of sympathy and compassion for blacks and all they have had to endure the past couple centuries

In a perfect world whites, hispanics, asians, blacks and people of middle eastern descent would all be celebrating Juneteenth together. I would honestly love this

But we know there would be opposition to blacks having their own holiday (some would view it this way), and it would be just another tool for politicians to use to turn people against eachother and divide us

We also know some blacks would be exclusive and not want whites or other races celebrating with them

Could it be possible the fall from Adam and Eve effected all of humanity, and not individual races? Yes obviously. White or black, makes no difference. Their is fault everywhere. I just pray that eyes be opened and as many people as possible come to Christ

 

[durangodawood]

....Juneteenth is a celebration/milestone for all Americans.

I think this is a big deal.

My sense is that some white people think the intent of Juneteenth is for black people to "get something", like you say, while white people are supposed to hang their head in personal shame. I'm all for an ongoing painful national reckoning. But I do really like the idea of a day when the celebration of the advance of freedom is the main tone.

 

[Kaon]

This is a tough one because i have alot of sympathy and compassion for blacks and all they have had to endure the past couple centuries

In a perfect world whites, hispanics, asians, blacks and people of middle eastern descent would all be celebrating Juneteenth together. I would honestly love this

But we know there would be opposition to blacks having their own holiday (some would view it this way), and it would be just another tool for politicians to use to turn people against eachother and divide us

We also know some blacks would be exclusive and not want whites or other races celebrating with them

Could it be possible the fall from Adam and Eve effected all of humanity, and not individual races? Yes obviously. White or black, makes no difference. Their is fault everywhere. I just pray that eyes be opened and as many people as possible come to Christ

Sure, it all comes down to a bunch of entities trying to debase man beyond redemption.

Locally, however, grandchildren of slave owners are alive today - who have been taught the same racism of their ancestors, and have moved into postions of power and influence. They teach their children, who teach their children, et cetera.

There is almost too much to account for; racism cannot go anywhere - or America collapses hard. That is why America is "so divided", even though it has never been "together".

We are being exploited...

 

[essentialsaltes]

Because, it is a comma and not a period.

I was thinking earlier today that a good motto for the celebration would be.

"A Good Start... Still Not Finished"

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

Gonna be honest. I had never heard of Juneteenth before Trump's attempt to have a rally on that day in Tulsa.

 

[Hank77]

Gonna be honest. I had never heard of Juneteenth before Trump's attempt to have a rally on that day in Tulsa.

Me either. I knew that freedom came late to TX, I learned that in school but I never knew about the massacre in Tulsa. It makes me sad and it makes me angry.

 

[SummerMadness]

Just so everyone is aware, a Juneteenth thread has been posted here for at least the past three years: juneteenth | Christian Forums

 

[grasping the after wind]

The description of the holiday does not suggest any sort of exclusion, it describes what the day stands for, it was the day that freedom of African Americans in the United States was finally recognized (although it took another century for the country to fully recognize this).

Yes as such it should not be seen as a purely African American holiday but one to be celebrated by all Americans. It marks the culmination of the effort by many Americans of diverse backgrounds to see the end of slavery and though it holds more personal importance to those whose ancestors were not free prior to that day it should be a time for all Americans to celebrate the ending of that horrible institution.

 

[Kaon]

Yes as such it should not be seen as a purely African American holiday but one to be celebrated by all Americans. It marks the culmination of the effort by many Americans of diverse backgrounds to see the end of slavery and though it holds more personal importance to those whose ancestors were not free prior to that day it should be a time for all Americans to celebrate the ending of that horrible institution.

Not nearly every American sees the end of that institution as a good thing. This is why there is so much work to make sure it is systemic - since it is, on paper, illegal otherwise.

 

[Lord Give Me A Sign]

I feel sympathy and compassion for the threadstarter. I feel as though some of the responses in here were cold and only thinking of oneself

I have never faced discrimination or racism because of the color of my skin. I am white but when i put myself in the shoes of my black brothers and sisters and when i see the pain that the black brothers and sisters in my life have gone through it hurts me too

Thats all the more reason to serve the Lord. Because when you serve your race, another race, a government, a culture or society, or a country you will feel rejected or shamed at some point because those are all divided houses. They might even cancel you

The only place i know where we are loved even when we make mistakes, when we are forgiven simply by asking for forgiveness, and where we are never shamed or cancelled (unless we turn our backs on God) is in the house of the Lord

 

[Chesterton]

The description of the holiday does not suggest any sort of exclusion, it describes what the day stands for, it was the day that freedom of African Americans in the United States was finally recognized

Sorta. It's about Texas. I didn't know the rest of the country even knew about it.

(although it took another century for the country to fully recognize this).

What does that mean?

Just so everyone is aware, a Juneteenth thread has been posted here for at least the past three years: juneteenth | Christian Forums

That's great you post about it every year. Just in case someone here still hasn't gotten the word yet, I guess?

 

[ViaCrucis]

So telling white America they must bow down to black America in order to not be racist, is not racist?

Nobody's asked me to bow down to anyone else.

I wholesale, out of my own volition, stand with my black friends and neighbors in their fight for basic human dignity. That's my choice.

Black lives matter.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Tone]

If this level of opposition and scrutiny was given for other holidays

I actually do scrutinize all other "holidays"...and I do not esteem them as holy--those are reserved for His Holy Days as defined in the Bible.

It's like demanding everything be thrown out if it looks like someone is "getting something

Ha ha, what is anybody getting? I observe that man's "holidays" are pretty much commercially based, where we got to (if you want to observe) shell out some ducats.

Juneteenth is a celebration/milestone for all Americans.

Wouldn't you say for the whole world?