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No.
I said I believe that Jesus died for His people, according to Matthew 1.
I said I believe that Jesus raised on the third day.
I said that "raised for justification" isn't what the Kingdom Gospel teaches.
In fact, I believe the purpose of Jesus' Resurrection is the Resurrection of Life itself.
Therefore, I believe that "faith without works is dead."
If you say you believe your father when he tells you to buy a truck, but you go out and buy a sports-car, do you really believe your father?
James is right when he says "I will show you my faith by my works."
One parable makes this very clear, where Jesus says... the son who said he wouldn't go work in the vineyard but did go later, and the other son said he would go but never showed up... that the first son was righteous. The fields are ripe for harvest, but there are few workers in the vineyard.
I guess the really strange thing about all of this is that so many grace gospel gentiles don't believe what Paul told them in Galatians 2:7-9. You wouldn't expect this to be the case, but one of the people here has actually tried to make the case that I dismiss Paul's ministry... when that person is the one who doesn't believe Paul. It's almost comical really.
You don't understand how it works. The church has always used Scripture, as well as Tradition, in supporting her positions or teachings. But in a forum such as this Tradition is generally not accepted-though it is by some, usually in a qualified sense however. In any case we use Scripture much more often in a non-Catholic setting-because everyone at least agrees on it as an authoritative source of divine revelation.
But Tradition and Scripture complement each other and Tradition often plays its role in upholding certain understandings of the practice of the faith while shining light on the Scriptural understanding. For example, Protestants have argued about baptismal regeneration for eons now, with some supporting it while others reject it as legalistic. For the ancient churches, however, this matter has never even been controversial-it was settled at the beginning. Jesus said to do it and they did it, with the simple understanding that God used that moment to wash us and initiate a new life in us, as we approached the waters of baptism in faith.
Well, yes, that what baptismal regeneration means-and why it's an important matter-because its involves salvation. So, based on Scripture alone, some dismiss this potentially critical soteriological matter, and the historical understanding of the church, while others embrace it.Baptism isn't the issue. Whether or not baptism keeps you out of hell is the issue.
Personally I think he'd see a lot more that's familiar to him in the general format, with the gospel readings and the centrality of partaking of the body and blood, then he would in any modern day evangelical church which would give a whole new meaning to the word "foreign". But, of course, everyone knows what the early church was like-and how it should or shouldn't have evolved.I have wonder if Paul was put into a time machine and sent to a 5th century Holy Roman Empire cathedral, what he would think of it and all the changes that had taken place.
Not so much. It just means that, just as we as individuals have a lived experience-and traditions that impact our lives, so does the church. This is how we do things; this is what we've believed and practiced since time immemorial.I don't understand how it works because it's really quite complected, isn't it?
the doctrine of infallibility only guarantees that no error will enter church teachings on faith and morals for the purpose of the salvation of man.
Well, yes, that what baptismal regeneration means-and why it's an important matter-because its involves salvation. So, based on Scripture alone, some dismiss this potentially critical soteriological matter, and the historical understanding of the church, while others embrace it.
Personally I think he'd see a lot more that's familiar to him in the general format, with the gospel readings and the centrality of partaking of the body and blood, then he would in any modern day evangelical church which would give a whole new meaning to the word "foreign". But, of course, everyone knows what the early church was like-and how it should or shouldn't have evolved.
Not so much. It just means that, just as we as individuals have a lived experience-and traditions that impact our lives, so does the church. This is how we do things; this is what we've believed and practiced since time immemorial.
The main text that's quoted to support this doctrine is this bolded part of Matthew 16:18
And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
When I read this, it seems to be more a promise that the church will survive - not be completely destroyed - rather than saying that it will be kept error free. I don't see how the word ”prevail” or the alternative translation of ”be overcome” means ”infallible” And surely this is what's happened. The church has survived but can anyone really say it has never got it wrong in the past or today. I know there's disagreement about what actually constitutes the church but still the point remains.
Are you trying to insert Paul into that verse?
The main text that's quoted to support this doctrine is this bolded part of Matthew 16:18
And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
When I read this, it seems to be more a promise that the church will survive - not be completely destroyed - rather than saying that it will be kept error free. I don't see how the word ”prevail” or the alternative translation of ”be overcome” means ”infallible” And surely this is what's happened. The church has survived but can anyone really say it has never got it wrong in the past or today. I know there's disagreement about what actually constitutes the church but still the point remains.
Matthew 5:18-19 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law, till all be fulfilled.
There has always been a remnant of God's church.
Then it's a good thing I don't scare easily, isn't it. Because according to the Bible itself, the Greek
Which proves, yet again, that the two sets of house-laws are mutually exclusive.
You can't keep one set of house-laws without breaking the other set.
BTW, I never use the term "time of the Gentiles"...
Are you disagreeing with John? It appears there may be some more criteria.God's "church" is the 'body of Christ".
This is every born again believer.
Why on earth don't you believe that your apostle to the gentiles has it covered so that you don't have to keep running off to Peter's stewardship
It's related to the righteous judgement of our Savior.Salvation is not related to law or commandments.
Salvation is Jesus Himself. John 14:6
Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.Salvation is not related to law or commandments.
Salvation is Jesus Himself. John 14:6
Paul is the author of the doctrine of "justification by Faith".
john 3:16 is HOW the Justification is applied.
"that whosoever = BELIEVES"...
"faith is counted AS Righteousness".
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