How to study the supernatural?

[AV1611VET]

Right. And Hawking was question begging. Personally, I'd listen more to other astrophysicists. Hawking was interesting, but his view was/is just one view among many. No one HAS to sign on with Hawking alone and chase unerringly with the expectation that an "ultimate theory" can, or will, necessarily be found. In fact, I posit that no one who truly works in science would.

My reference: Lee Smolin - The Trouble with Physics (2006). That, and the Bible.

Then let's try this one:

How about, The Mind of God, by Paul Davies?

 

[NBB]

Testing God scientifically is not the way, and does not make sense, is like testing the love for your family scientifically.
Experiences with the Holy spirit can be as concrete and real as anything else, after you 'taste the heavenly gift' like the bible says, you would have no doubt at all of God existance.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Testing God scientifically is not the way, and does not make sense, is like testing the love for your family scientifically.
Experiences with the Holy spirit can be as concrete and real as anything else, after you 'taste the heavenly gift' like the bible says, you would have no doubt at all of God existance.

But it's just God I'm asking about testing. I'm talking testing anything supernatural, the whole spectrum of supernatural-ness (that's not even a word but I'm using it).

 

[NBB]

But it's just God I'm asking about testing. I'm talking testing anything supernatural, the whole spectrum of supernatural-ness (that's not even a word but I'm using it).

God can give 'discernment' to christians, is the ability to detect spiritual things, evil or good and human too. That is 'spiritually discerned' too.
It does not make any sense to study the supernatural scientifically, you could not grasp anything about the supernatural that way.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

God can give 'discerment' to christians, is the ability to detect spiritual things, evil or good and human too. That is 'spiritually discerned' too.
It does not make any sense to study the supernatural scientifically, you could not grasp anything about the supernatural that way.

Yet there are people who say that the supernatural can and should be tested, not just the natural. Since you're clearly not one of these people (I'm guessing from your comments, since you've not really answered the OP question), all I can do is just kindly ask you to leave this thread.

 

[NBB]

Yet there are people who say that the supernatural can and should be tested, not just the natural. Since you're clearly not one of these people (I'm guessing from your comments, since you've not really answered the OP question), all I can do is just kindly ask you to leave this thread.

You thread does not make any sense, is not the way to know the supernatural bye.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Then let's try this one:

How about, The Mind of God, by Paul Davies?

I'm not understanding what you're attempting to imply, AV.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm not understanding what you're attempting to imply, AV.

I'm trying to answer this for you:

But if AV knows someone who can 'control' for God, maybe AV can introduce us to that particular scientist.

(I'm not sure what you mean by this though.)

 

[essentialsaltes]

I'm trying to answer this for you:


(I'm not sure what you mean by this though.)

Simplifying things, a scientific test will often have an experimental group and a control group.

One group of tomatoes gets experimental plant food, while the other group of tomatoes gets no plant food. Then we can see if the experimental group grows more or less or the same as the control group on average.

So for this situation, we want the scientists to switch off all the gods for the control group.

 

[RileyG]

"If God reached his had into this plane he would pull it out dripping in physics." ~Aron Ra

From a Christian perspective, God is the creator of physics.

 

[Hans Blaster]

From a Christian perspective, God is the creator of physics.

And where do you get that from? [aka, citation needed] (And no, creating the Universe won't do. There is no reason to think physics didn't already exist before the Universe was created.)

 

[BNR32FAN]

That's really not an answer at all.

Which explains why you can’t observe the supernatural.

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

From a Christian perspective, God is the creator of physics.

What's this "God" of which you speak? Isn't that at the heart of Warden's question? You're assuming what he's asking how science can study and show exists. Do you see the problem?

 

[River Jordan]

Here's how I see it. If some people believe they have a superior method to conduct science, then they need to go out into the real world, implement that method, and demonstrate how it produces better results.

Anything short of that and you're just sitting on the sidelines, bragging about how great you are, but refusing to ever get in the game.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Which explains why you can’t observe the supernatural.

Not really. Just saying "Oh, you need to believe in it!" is not how science works, or any standard of measurement works. To accept the supernatural, tests need to be carried out to show the validity of the claim of the supernatural.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

What's this "God" of which you speak? Isn't that at the heart of Warden's question? You're assuming what she's asking how science can study and show exists. Do you see the problem?

I'm a 30 year old man.

 

[RileyG]

What's this "God" of which you speak? Isn't that at the heart of Warden's question? You're assuming what she's asking how science can study and show exists. Do you see the problem?

The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit- Blessed Trinity.

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

I'm a 30 year old man.

My Apologies.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

My Apologies.

Not the first time and I doubt it'd be the last.

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit- Blessed Trinity.

Those are all really nice adjectives for something you can't demonstrate exists. This thread is about how one should go about that demonstration. Please answer the OP.