How to spot the Devil

BNR32FAN · Jun 29, 2021

Sidon said:
The NT that i use, was not written in Greek.
It was written in English, but it was translated from the Greek texts,= a specific one.
That's what i said.
Try to get it right, vs, more confused lying.

Seriously? Did you really think I wouldn’t look up your post and quote exactly what you said? Now who’s lying?

Here’s exactly what you said. “The original version is the LETTERS the Apostles wrote.
The GREEK isn't the original ,its the translation of the Original letters, into the Greek.”

Wake up.
Give me something in a post that shows you are thinking before you post.
Ok?

How to walk in the Spirit.

Oh I love this next little gem here.

Sidon said:
before you start teaching what they told you to THINK.
Wake up !
Its quite possible that your translator is just a professional translator, hired by the publishing company that sold you their book, and this man or woman, translator, is not even born again.
See, you have to find this out from ME.
And you've never even realize your this. before i just told you how to THINK about this....

Seriously you would think that a seminary student would know that strong’s concordance was written in 1890.

Sidon said:
I think that most 1st year High School Students, could understand that the "greek text" is not the language that Christ was speaking in ISRAEL. where He lived and died, before the Apostles letters were written, that were hundreds of years later translated into the "greek" manuscripts, or Latin. that were used to create all the english versions.

Ligurian · Jun 29, 2021

BNR32FAN said:
Why do I feel the urge to talk about the commandments? Well, umm probably because I’ve been so busy trying to get you to understand that Jesus didn’t break any of them. I mean it’s hard to persuade someone that Jesus didn’t break the commandments without saying the word “commandments”. So that’s exactly why I feel the urge to keep talking about them. I mean it only seems like the most logical explanation to mention the word “commandments” if your trying to convince someone that Jesus never broke the commandments. I would’ve thought that should be obvious to you but evidently my expectations were a bit high on that assumption.

The only commandments that we know Jesus never broke are the ones where the Father told Him what He should speak. We know that Jesus taught against a few of the OT commandments in the Sermon on the Mount. And we know that Jesus personally kept the commandments His Father gave to us through Him.

SabbathBlessings · Jun 29, 2021

Ligurian said:
And I answered the main part of your post twice now. Once when I quoted John 12:44-50, and again with this:

Enter Into Life

1. Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. (Matt.22:37)
2. Thou shalt do no murder,
3. Thou shalt not commit adultery,
4. Thou shalt not steal,
5. Thou shalt not bear false witness,
6. Honour thy father and mother,
7. Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. (Matt.19:18)

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to (pleroo) cram full. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be (ginomai) come into being. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousenss] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 23:25)

And Continue On With Jesus

*-5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
*-5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
*-5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: (Matthew 19:7-8)
5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
*-5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
*-5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
*-5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

________________
Deuteronomy 13:3 ... for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

I'm not sure the point you are trying to make, I agree, we should keep God's commandments!

pescador · Jun 29, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
Are you a people? I know I am. I am certainly not a cat or dog or tree.

Nice to know!

klutedavid · Jun 29, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
No, this passage does not mean the disciples broke the Sabbath or were working on the Sabbath, or that Jesus broke the Sabbath or that the Sabbath is no more because of this verse. Jesus was accused of not being the Son of Man too, because He was accused does that mean He is not our Savior? The disciples were eating on Sabbath and maybe you can show me where eating is a sin on Sabbath? We are told Friday is for the preparation of Sabbath, which includes cooking most of the foods, but its not a sin to eat on Sabbath. This is what the Pharisees accused Jesus of but Jesus never sinned.

Keep reading it tells us they were accused, not that they broke the Sabbath.

Mathew 12:
9 Now when He had departed from there, He went into their synagogue. 10 And behold, there was a man who had a withered hand. And they asked Him, saying, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?”—that they might accuse Him.

11 Then He said to them, “What man is there among you who has one sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not lay hold of it and lift it out? 12 Of how much more value then is a man than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.”

Jesus was our perfect, spotless sacrifice. He came to this earth as our perfect example for us. To imply Jesus was a sinner means there is no hope for any of us.

Your interpretation is faulty. Now explain this verse from Matthew 12.

Matthew 12:3
But He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he became hungry, he and his companions, how he entered the house of God, and they ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for him to eat nor for those with him, but for the priests alone?

Why would Jesus answer the accusation of the Pharisees by using the transgression of David?

SabbathBlessings · Jun 29, 2021

klutedavid said:
Your interpretation is faulty. Now explain this verse from Matthew 12.

Matthew 12:3
But He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he became hungry, he and his companions, how he entered the house of God, and they ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for him to eat nor for those with him, but for the priests alone?

Why would Jesus answer the accusation of the Pharisees by using the transgression of David?

This was the opinion of the Pharisees and Jesus corrected them. You need to read the whole passage and Jesus tells us it was lawful if you keep reading.

I hope you’re not suggesting our Savior who said He never sinned, did the opposite of what He said?

klutedavid · Jun 29, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
This was the opinion of the Pharisees and Jesus corrected them. You need to read the whole passage and Jesus tells us it was lawful if you keep reading.

I hope you’re not suggesting our Savior who said He never sinned, did the opposite of what He said?

Jesus said, that the disciples were transgressing the Sabbath but were innocent.

SabbathBlessings · Jun 29, 2021

klutedavid said:
Jesus said, that the disciples were transgressing the Sabbath but were innocent.

That is not what is being said here.

The Pharisees said they were breaking the Sabbath not Jesus, they created their own rules/traditions regarding the Sabbath that is not part of God’s laws- it is not a sin to eat on Sabbath maybe you can show me where it says that in the Bible. Jesus was referring to the priests who do God’s work on Sabbath and said they were blameless. He later declares it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath and was using this as one of the examples along with the story of David who ate showbread on Sabbath because He was hungry and Jesus is teaching us we can be practical and do good on the Sabbath.

klutedavid · Jun 29, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
That is not what is being said here.

The Pharisees said they were breaking the Sabbath not Jesus, they created their own rules/traditions regarding the Sabbath that is not part of God’s laws- it is not a sin to eat on Sabbath maybe you can show me where it says that in the Bible. Jesus was referring to the priests who do God’s work on Sabbath and said they were blameless. He later declares it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath and was using this as one of the examples along with the story of David who ate showbread on Sabbath because He was hungry and Jesus is teaching us we can be practical and do good on the Sabbath.

They were harvesting the grain and the breaking the grain in their hands. That is not allowed on the Sabbath day. All food preparation is done the day before the Sabbath. Who said anything about eating on the sabbath?

The disciples were innocent because they are priests. The same as David and the priests who work on the Sabbath.

1 Peter 2:9
But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation...

I am not only a priest but I belong to the royal priesthood.

I am faultless in working straight through the Sabbath day and I am innocent.

Neogaia777 · Jun 30, 2021

Do any of you believe "There can be no full true (or perfect) justice as long as laws, all laws in this case, are always, always 100% absolute"...?

Yes or No...?

God Bless!

Neogaia777 · Jun 30, 2021

Neogaia777 said:
Do any of you believe "There can be no full true (or perfect) justice as long as laws, all laws in this case, are always, always 100% absolute"...?

Yes or No...?

God Bless!

Because it is "my belief" that Jesus did some of the things he did to very much specifically point out that there "absolutely cannot", or cannot ever be always absolutely, etc...

So, "Yes or No"...?

Do you believe, or else not believe, that, "There can be no full true (or perfect) justice as long as laws, all laws in this case, are always, always 100% absolute"...?

God Bless!

SabbathBlessings · Jun 30, 2021

klutedavid said:
They were harvesting the grain and the breaking the grain in their hands. That is not allowed on the Sabbath day. All food preparation is done the day before the Sabbath. Who said anything about eating on the sabbath?

You need to read the whole passage for context.

Mathew 12:1 And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat.

They were not harvesting or working, they were eating as stated in scripture. Eating is not a sin on the Sabbath!

Neogaia777 · Jun 30, 2021

Neogaia777 said:
Do any of you believe "There can be no full true (or perfect) justice as long as laws, all laws in this case, are always, always 100% absolute"...?

Yes or No...?

God Bless!

Neogaia777 said:
Because it is "my belief" that Jesus did some of the things he did to very much specifically point out that there "absolutely cannot", or cannot ever be always absolutely, etc...

So, "Yes or No"...?

Do you believe, or else not believe, that, "There can be no full true (or perfect) justice as long as laws, all laws in this case, are always, always 100% absolute"...?

God Bless!

It is also my very, very strong belief, that these are also the limits of the letter (of any) law also, etc...

And is why it can only be fully known truly perfectly, only in our own hearts fully at all ever only, etc...

Because it will tell you and guide you and show you very specifically when they "are not" or "cannot", etc...

And when maybe a very much higher, and maybe even very much more greater "law", needs to be applied, etc...

Like when to apply mercy instead of sacrifice, etc...

God Bless!

Sidon · Jun 30, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
I agree. And if we really believe, than we place our trust and faith in Jesus and love Jesus, right?
Jesus said IF you love Me, keep My commandments John 14:15

But The Lord didn't say, If you want to go to Heaven, keep my commandments.
Its the devil's gospel that will teach you that commandment keeping and self effort is how you save yourself.
Whereas Jesus says if you want to go to heaven, you have to be forgiven of all your sin.
How do you do that?

Jesus says....>"you must be born again".

SabbathBlessings · Jun 30, 2021

Sidon said:
But The Lord didn't say, If you want to go to Heaven, keep my commandments.
Its the devil's gospel that will teach you that commandment keeping and self effort is how you save yourself.
Whereas Jesus says if you want to go to heaven, you have to be forgiven of all your sin.
How do you do that?

Jesus says....>"you must be born again".

Actually Jesus did say that.

Mathew 19:

16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”

Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

and

Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

We are not saved by keeping the law, we are saved by grace though our faith. Keeping God's laws is a fruit of our faith.

Sidon · Jun 30, 2021

BNR32FAN said:
Why do I feel the urge to talk about the commandments? Well, umm probably because I’ve been so busy trying to get you to understand that Jesus didn’t break any of them.

Jesus, who is God, fulfilled the law, and lived a sinless life.
You didnt.
So, because God did, He provides this for you, as if you lived it.
This is the "gift of Righteousness".
If you have this Gift, then you are born again.
If you dont then you are playing a religious game with yourself, probably having been water baptized and told the lie that that water saved you.
Is this you?

Sidon · Jun 30, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
Actually Jesus did say that.

Mathew 19:

16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

You are misunderstanding a verse , where you'll note that Jesus has not died on the Cross yet.
Do you realize this?
Realize it.
So, He can't tell the young ruler how to receive what He has not completed yet, on The Cross. = The blood atonement.
What does this mean?
It means that God , who is Christ, is talking to the "house of Israel', according to the old covenant, regarding what isn't possible.

Did you notice that Abraham, was justified by faith?
This is because you can't be justified by "works of the law", that Jesus is describing to this rich young ruler.
See....
God, who is Jesus, is about to die on the Cross, but hasn't yet, in your verse......and by doing this, He brings in the New Testament, and new Covenant, that offers Himself, body and blood and death, as this... "the gift of Righteousness".

SabbathBlessings · Jun 30, 2021

Sidon said:
You are misunderstanding a verse , where you'll note that Jesus has not died on the Cross yet.
Do you realize this?
Realize it.
So, He can't tell the young ruler how to receive what He has not completed yet, on The Cross. = The blood atonement.
What does this mean?
It means that God , who is Christ, is talking to the "house of Israel', according to the old covenant, regarding what isn't possible.

Did you notice that Abraham, was justified by faith?
This is because you can't be justified by "works of the law", that Jesus is describing to this rich young ruler.
See....
God, who is Jesus, is about to die on the Cross, but hasn't yet, in your verse......and by doing this, He brings in the New Testament, and new Covenant, that offers Himself, body and blood and death, as this... "the gift of Righteousness".

So you know better than what Jesus said verbatim? I will stick with what Jesus teaches.

We are told how to know if what is being taught is false according to scripture:

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Neogaia777 · Jun 30, 2021

If you want to be "perfect", in love, law, justice, or whatever, then fully realize when the Royal Law or the Higher or Highest Law should be applied maybe over and above and beyond the written down letter of it, if you want to be perfect, etc...

This may not be (or certainly will not be) in the majority of all cases, etc, but it might be (or certainly will be) in and with some of them, or in some cases, (most certainly), etc...

If you want to be absolutely "perfect" absolutely, etc...

God Bless!

Neogaia777 · Jun 30, 2021

I tried explaining the Parable/Story of the rich young ruler in another post (post #36) and how Jesus was trying to catch him, or kind of set him up, from the get go, etc, and was why he talked about some of the commandments with him, from the ten commandments specifically with him, etc, instead of just stating (or re-stating) only just the two, etc, but apparently some people didn't hear it, or quite read it, or didn't quite get the memo, etc...?

Anyway,

God Bless!

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