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No don’t avoid the question since you claim to know so much about my theology then put your money where your mouth is. What do commandments do I teach that we must keep?

My money is already well represented.
"Pauline Theology"
You are on about 20 of my Threads.
Figure that one out.


Also

What do the commandment's DO, that you teach we must keep?

They are our morality border - guideline.
In other words, the commandments teach us where the law ends and sin begin.


That is their only function in the life of a Born again Christian.
 
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My money is already well represented.
"Pauline Theology"
You are on about 20 of my Threads.
Figure that one out.


Also

What do the commandment's DO, that you teach we must keep?

They are our morality border - guideline.
In other words, the commandments teach us where the law ends and sin begin.


That is their only function in the life of a Born again Christian.
The transgression of the law is sin.

4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 1 John 3:4
 
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The transgression of the law is sin.

4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 1 John 3:4

And Righteousness comes not by the commandments but by the Blood of Jesus.

If the 10 commandments hung on the Cross , bled, and died for you, then go ahead and keep chasing them.
 
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And Righteousness comes not by the commandments but by the Blood of Jesus.

If the 10 commandments hung on the Cross , bled, and died for you, then go ahead and keep chasing them.

If all the laws are gone and the law is no longer sin, than we do not need grace or a Savior and we are all LOST.

Jesus died for our sins, but did not die to give us a license to keep sinning. He would have died in vain.
 
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My money is already well represented.
"Pauline Theology"
You are on about 20 of my Threads.
Figure that one out.


Also

What do the commandment's DO, that you teach we must keep?

They are our morality border - guideline.
In other words, the commandments teach us where the law ends and sin begin.


That is their only function in the life of a Born again Christian.

If you can’t back up your false accusations then you shouldn’t make them in the first place. You keep downing my theology but when I challenge you to point out exactly what I teach you decline to answer. This proves that when it comes to knowing my theology you haven’t got a clue as to what I actually teach.
 
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If all the laws are gone and the law is no longer sin,

The law's dominion is still in operation as a dominion over these..

1. All unbelievers
2. Believers who are "fallen from Grace"..."bewitched" and "in the Flesh".
 
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If you can’t back up your false accusations then you shouldn’t make them in the first place.

Stop lying.

Ive made no false accusations, so that is your first issue, and your legalism will never be able to define me, truthfully, as anything but "Pauline Theology".

You've come to the false conclusion, that because you can't understand, relate to, or accept, "made righteous", and that by the "gift of Righteousness" that you have a clue.
You dont.
But, the good news is, my many Threads, can help you, if you enter their teaching with a sincere heart, vs, an opinion that is theologically pride driven, as proven by your stiff resistance against the Grace of God, as taught as Pauline Theology, by ALL my Threads you are on.
 
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The law's dominion is still in operation as a dominion over these..

1. All unbelievers
2. Believers who are "fallen from Grace"..."bewitched" and "in the Flesh".

The law is for anyone who has sinned, which is everyone. Romans 3:23 The law points out sin so we know what is right and what is wrong. Should we do what is right in the eyes of God or what is wrong? The answer is in the bible.
 
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Stop lying.

Ive made no false accusations, so that is your first issue, and your legalism will never be able to define me, truthfully, as anything but "Pauline Theology".

Stop lying? Is it a lie for me to say that you can’t even describe what commandments I teach that we must keep when I’ve asked you 3 times and every time you’ve refused to answer the question?
 
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The law is for anyone who has sinned, which is everyone. Romans 3:23 T

Yes , we have all sinned.
This is why God came down here as Christ.... He came down here to do this.. John 3:16.
He did.
So, all that receive Christ, are made righteous.
There is no sin, in Righteousness, and all the born again, are In Christ, who IS Righteousness.
 
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Stop lying.

Ive made no false accusations, so that is your first issue, and your legalism will never be able to define me, truthfully, as anything but "Pauline Theology".

You've come to the false conclusion, that because you can't understand, relate to, or accept, "made righteous", and that by the "gift of Righteousness" that you have a clue.
You dont.
But, the good news is, my many Threads, can help you, if you enter their teaching with a sincere heart, vs, an opinion that is theologically pride driven, as proven by your stiff resistance against the Grace of God, as taught as Pauline Theology, by ALL my Threads you are on.

It seems ironic that I’m being called a liar by a person who claims to have attended seminary school and didn’t know the New Testament was written in Greek, has never studied the Greek or Hebrew languages, has never studied the early church father’s writings, and thinks Paul wrote the book of Acts.
 
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Stop lying? Is it a lie for me to say that you can’t even describe what commandments I teach that we must keep when I’ve asked you 3 times and every time you’ve refused to answer the question?

Why do you feel the urge to keep talking about commandments?
Have you thought about that?
Think about it.

See I dont need to describe them as you need me to do...
As, You already have in most of your posts.
I dont need to repost you, i need to help you, if you will listen.
 
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It seems ironic that I’m being called a liar by a person who claims to have attended seminary school and didn’t know the New Testament was written in Greek, has never studied the Greek or Hebrew languages, has never studied the early church father’s writings, and thinks Paul wrote the book of Acts.

The NT that i use, was not written in Greek.
It was written in English, but it was translated from the Greek texts,= a specific one.
That's what i said.
Try to get it right, vs, more confused lying.

Also, ive studied the (manuscript evidence) sources that make up the English Bible.
I dont use those sources.
I use the English Version, or the "Holy Bible".

This is not hard to comprehend, but you seem to be lost in the struggle to understand..


And the "book of Acts" is the "Acts of the Apostles", and Paul is the main one.
If you study the history of the Epistle, then you'll discover that its "presumed" to have been written by Luke.
Fine by me.

This is similar to understanding that Titus and Timothy were written by.....

The reality is, when you read the words of Jesus, you are reading what someone wrote down that He said.
So, as this to you is confused, you'll next tell me that i just said that Jesus didn't write the NT, when in Fact all the verses are the literal dictation of the Spirit.
In other words, God is writing it, and different people are writing it down.
Understand?

Its the word of GOD, yet its written down originally as EPISTLES, by people.
See it?

The word of God is "spirit and Truth",, not ink on a page, presented by a Translator.
YET< you read the ink on a page to SEE the Spiritual Teaching.
"""(Spiritually Discerned).""

Figure that out if possible, and then you can finally begin to understand what im telling you for about a month.
 
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Yes , we have all sinned.
This is why God came down here as Christ.... He came down here to do this.. John 3:16.
He did.
So, all that receive Christ, are made righteous.
There is no sin, in Righteousness, and all the born again, are In Christ, who IS Righteousness.
Are you saying we no longer make choices? God makes all our choices for us?

I know a lot of people who believes in Jesus, but still sins freely so I do not think your teaching here are correct.
 
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Are you saying we no longer make choices? God makes all our choices for us?
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Let me show you ....

We are told to Believe in Jesus to be born again.
God would not give you the option to BELIEVE, if you didnt have free will to choose Christ.
 
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Jesus can’t have broken the Sabbath and kept The Father’s commandments at the same time. That’s a contradiction, those two statements are in opposition to each other.

Not if you're under grace. Jesus knew what was appropriate on the Sabbath and what wasn't. The Sabbath was made for people, not people for the Sabbath. Mark 2:27-28, "Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for people, not people for the Sabbath. For this reason the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.
 
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Let me show you ....

We are told to Believe in Jesus to be born again.
God would not give you the option to BELIEVE, if you didnt have free will to choose Christ.

I agree. And if we really believe, than we place our trust and faith in Jesus and love Jesus, right?

Jesus said IF you love Me, keep My commandments John 14:15

So can we believe in Jesus without keeping His laws? Not according to Jesus. 1 John 2:4, Mathew 7:23

What I see is people want all the gifts without what required to have God. We are to do God's will and not our own.

Mathew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
 
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Not if you're under grace. Jesus knew what was appropriate on the Sabbath and what wasn't. The Sabbath was made for people, not people for the Sabbath. Mark 2:27-28, "Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for people, not people for the Sabbath. For this reason the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.
Are you a people? I know I am. I am certainly not a cat or dog or tree.
 
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Why do you feel the urge to keep talking about commandments?
Have you thought about that?
Think about it.

See I dont need to describe them as you need me to do...
As, You already have in most of your posts.
I dont need to repost you, i need to help you, if you will listen.

Why do I feel the urge to talk about the commandments? Well, umm probably because I’ve been so busy trying to get you to understand that Jesus didn’t break any of them. I mean it’s hard to persuade someone that Jesus didn’t break the commandments without saying the word “commandments”. So that’s exactly why I feel the urge to keep talking about them. I mean it only seems like the most logical explanation to mention the word “commandments” if your trying to convince someone that Jesus never broke the commandments. I would’ve thought that should be obvious to you but evidently my expectations were a bit high on that assumption.
 
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I asked for biblical scripture, not the internet. Nor was that the main point to my post.

And I answered the main part of your post twice now. Once when I quoted John 12:44-50, and again with this:

Enter Into Life

1. Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. (Matt.22:37)
2. Thou shalt do no murder,
3. Thou shalt not commit adultery,
4. Thou shalt not steal,
5. Thou shalt not bear false witness,
6. Honour thy father and mother,
7. Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. (Matt.19:18)

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to (pleroo) cram full. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be (ginomai) come into being. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousenss] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 23:25)

And Continue On With Jesus


*-5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
*-5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
*-5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: (Matthew 19:7-8)
5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
*-5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
*-5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
*-5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

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Deuteronomy 13:3 ... for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
 
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