How to spot False Religion

[Mailman Dan]

You haven't shown me nothing. You said people would burn in hell. I said no they didn't. The bible does not say people are tortured forever.

Are you an annilest or universalist?

For arguements of litteral hell fire, they are found in scripture. I believe its a very weak arguement to argue that the verses you don't believe in are translation errors. If that is true, then in fact ever verse that you do believe could also be argued as such.

For specific hell fire..

Jude 1:23
but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh.

2 Thessalonians 1:8-9

in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,



Revelation 21:8
But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”





For eternal seperation...

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men,
nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

1 John 3:15
Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him.



Matthew 7:22-23
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.



Could be both...


Revelation 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Luke 12:4-5 "And I say to you, My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear Him who, after He has killed, has power to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, fear Him!"

Love me or I will torture you forever.

A good judge will punish a murderer in his court room, will he not? Your arguements that God allows evil to go unpunished, or one that would involve a time table for forgiveness other than through Christ, are just not valid.

Dan~~~>knows its perfection that God demands

 

[KCDAD]

Revelation 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

This is the only quote you needed...
... if you can explain this rationally, I can accept your belief in a literal hell. Otherwise, you better come over to our side and admit it is all metaphor and symbolic representation.

What is the lake of fire? Where is it?
What is death that it can be thrown into the lake of fire?
What is hell that it can be thrown into the lake of fire?
What is the first death? How can this be the second death if death is thrown into the fire (the first death is thrown into the lake of fire?)

A good judge will punish a murderer in his court room, will he not? Your arguements that God allows evil to go unpunished, or one that would involve a time table for forgiveness other than through Christ, are just not valid.

................a GOOD judge will not allow someone innocent to take the punishment for someone guilty. Nor would he allow a punishment greater than the crime.

 

[Logicalthinker]

I haven't attacked your character. I just see no reason to suppose that someone who spends most of their time attacking other forms of Christianity than your own has anything useful to say.

True Christianity is to love God and love your neighbour, to practise justice and live in peace. True Christianity is to be like Christ. If that's in place, I couldn't give a monkey's if they "prayed to Mary" or believed in 6 impossible things before breakfast.

How is following man made doctrines and commandments over God's doctrines and commandments show love for God?

Can you show me the scripture that says we don't have to follow the commandments of Jesus.

 

[Logicalthinker]

Revelation 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

This is the only quote you needed...
... if you can explain this rationally, I can accept your belief in a literal hell. Otherwise, you better come over to our side and admit it is all metaphor and symbolic representation.

What is the lake of fire? Where is it?
What is death that it can be thrown into the lake of fire?
What is hell that it can be thrown into the lake of fire?
What is the first death? How can this be the second death if death is thrown into the fire (the first death is thrown into the lake of fire?)

A good judge will punish a murderer in his court room, will he not? Your arguements that God allows evil to go unpunished, or one that would involve a time table for forgiveness other than through Christ, are just not valid.

................a GOOD judge will not allow someone innocent to take the punishment for someone guilty. Nor would he allow a punishment greater than the crime.

I don't believe in a literal Hell The bible does not support that God will torture people forever. I have never said I believe in Hell. On the very first page it says I Quote," God is a loving merciful creator who loves all of mankind = You will burn in Hell forever. The punishment does not fit the crime and God is a God of Justice. He would not torture someone for eternity for maybe 80yrs of existence." That was one of the original contradiction I stated.

That is on the very first post. I don't think people are reading the post. I have to keep defending on my stand that Hell is not a real place. and every person that follows Jesus in truth gets everlasting life.

What is the lake of fire? Where is it?
The lake of fire is how God and Jesus will destroy the wicked. Where it is points more to Heaven, or it is metaphoric lake of fire.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

rem·nant
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nənt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[rem-nuh

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1.a remaining, usually small part, quantity, number, or the like.
2.a fragment or scrap.
3.a small, unsold or unused piece of cloth, lace, etc., as at the end of a bolt.
4.a trace; vestige: remnants of former greatness. –adjective
5.remaining; leftover.

Once thrown on the lake of fire it is over. It burns up. Notice the verse says slain. That doesn't mean tortured forever.


What is death that it can be thrown into the lake of fire?

Death is the penalty of Sin. There will be no more sin which means there will be no more Death. There is many scriptures that talk about immortality, and death will be no more.

What is hell that it can be thrown into the lake of fire?

Hell is the Grave. Jesus spent 3 days in Hell. Was he being tortured? So if there is no more death that would mean that the Grave is also gone.

What is the first death? How can this be the second death if death is thrown into the fire (the first death is thrown into the lake of fire?)

The first death is the natural death. When you grow old or an unforeseen accident. The second death is when Jesus releases Satan for a second time after a thousand years. This takes place after the first resurrection of the dead. And all the people that decide to follow him a second time will receive the second death. They lose their gift of everlasting life.

Revelation 20:2-8 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

So why does the bible talk about the resurrection of the dead if it is not a real thing?

Why did the bible say false religions would preach against the resurrection and then they do?

Most people have never even heard of the resurrection. It is all over the bible. Talks about it in the Old and New Testaments.

Why? If it was not a real thing it would not be in the bible over and over again.

Your right God does punish the wicked. I never said he didn't. The punishment for sin is death. I have showed many verses to show this. If a person took their free will and decided not to follow God than at judgment day they will be punished with death. It is over for them. No more. No more thought, no more life, It is over. They no longer exist forever and ever. That is a very fitting punishment. Shows that God punishes and has mercy. It's not like he didn't warn people. He will not torture people forever.

Again let me state I don't believe in a hell where people are tortured forever. I do believe that the people that follow Jesus in truth has everlasting life.
I do believe that God punishes the wicked. With death.

 

[Logicalthinker]

Are you an annilest or universalist?

For arguements of litteral hell fire, they are found in scripture. I believe its a very weak arguement to argue that the verses you don't believe in are translation errors. If that is true, then in fact ever verse that you do believe could also be argued as such.

For specific hell fire..

Jude 1:23
but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh.

2 Thessalonians 1:8-9

in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,



Revelation 21:8
But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”





For eternal seperation...

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men,
nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

1 John 3:15
Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him.



Matthew 7:22-23
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.



Could be both...


Revelation 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Luke 12:4-5 "And I say to you, My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear Him who, after He has killed, has power to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, fear Him!"



A good judge will punish a murderer in his court room, will he not? Your arguements that God allows evil to go unpunished, or one that would involve a time table for forgiveness other than through Christ, are just not valid.

Dan~~~>knows its perfection that God demands

Look I believe God punishes the wicked. I never said he didn't. Your wages of sin are death. I don't think I have to show that verse again.
you are punished with death. Very fitting for somone that didn't want to follow God. He warned us that the punishment was death. Plus it shows mercy. God will not torture people

You have ignored all the verses I have given you. If you don't like the way that I showed it could be a different translation. To bad. There is a lot of different translation. Look those up. You will be disappointed because most say a lot different than the crappiest version ever. The King James Version. But go ahead and look. Keep using a bible that has Apostates in it. Like Gays inherit the kingdom, and taking the name of God out of the bible, in only some places.

A good judge will punish a murderer in his court room, will he not? Your arguements that God allows evil to go unpunished, or one that would involve a time table for forgiveness other than through Christ, are just not valid.

Your right a good judge will punish a murderer. But would a good judge only punish once or forever? Death is the punishment.

What would be the reason to torture people for eternity?

What would God accomplish by torturing people forever?

Is God an Extortioner? Love me or I will torture you forever.

I don't deny scripture. If a contradiction arises in the bible, Investigate it. How can the bible say God loves us all but will torture us forever if we don't love him. So when you investigate you come to the conclusion that man made that belief to scare all man to do what they wanted. Again false religions make their own doctrine and show you only what they want you to see. If you read the whole bible you see that God loves us. He would not torture.

Show me anywhere in the bible where God has tortured someone as punishment? I showed you verses that you ignored how it was never in Gods heart to burn people. But you ignored that. You feel it is in Gods heart to torture people with fire.
That is a contradiction. I think I will believe the bible over a man made doctrine thank you.

 

[KCDAD]

I don't believe in a literal Hell The bible does not support that God will torture people forever. I have never said I believe in Hell. On the very first page it says I Quote," God is a loving merciful creator who loves all of mankind = You will burn in Hell forever. The punishment does not fit the crime and God is a God of Justice. He would not torture someone for eternity for maybe 80yrs of existence." That was one of the original contradiction I stated.

That is on the very first post. I don't think people are reading the post. I have to keep defending on my stand that Hell is not a real place. and every person that follows Jesus in truth gets everlasting life.

What is the lake of fire? Where is it?
The lake of fire is how God and Jesus will destroy the wicked. Where it is points more to Heaven, or it is metaphoric lake of fire.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

rem·nant
/ˈrɛm

nənt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[rem-nuh

nt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun
1.a remaining, usually small part, quantity, number, or the like.
2.a fragment or scrap.
3.a small, unsold or unused piece of cloth, lace, etc., as at the end of a bolt.
4.a trace; vestige: remnants of former greatness. –adjective
5.remaining; leftover.

Once thrown on the lake of fire it is over. It burns up. Notice the verse says slain. That doesn't mean tortured forever.


What is death that it can be thrown into the lake of fire?

Death is the penalty of Sin. There will be no more sin which means there will be no more Death. There is many scriptures that talk about immortality, and death will be no more.

What is hell that it can be thrown into the lake of fire?

Hell is the Grave. Jesus spent 3 days in Hell. Was he being tortured? So if there is no more death that would mean that the Grave is also gone.

What is the first death? How can this be the second death if death is thrown into the fire (the first death is thrown into the lake of fire?)

The first death is the natural death. When you grow old or an unforeseen accident. The second death is when Jesus releases Satan for a second time after a thousand years. This takes place after the first resurrection of the dead. And all the people that decide to follow him a second time will receive the second death. They lose their gift of everlasting life.

Revelation 20:2-8 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

So why does the bible talk about the resurrection of the dead if it is not a real thing?

Why did the bible say false religions would preach against the resurrection and then they do?

Most people have never even heard of the resurrection. It is all over the bible. Talks about it in the Old and New Testaments.

Why? If it was not a real thing it would not be in the bible over and over again.

Your right God does punish the wicked. I never said he didn't. The punishment for sin is death. I have showed many verses to show this. If a person took their free will and decided not to follow God than at judgment day they will be punished with death. It is over for them. No more. No more thought, no more life, It is over. They no longer exist forever and ever. That is a very fitting punishment. Shows that God punishes and has mercy. It's not like he didn't warn people. He will not torture people forever.

Again let me state I don't believe in a hell where people are tortured forever. I do believe that the people that follow Jesus in truth has everlasting life.
I do believe that God punishes the wicked. With death.

So? Everybody dies. Ah, I see... because everybody dies, everybody is guilty and is being punished. ONLY some get to be resurrected.
That makes absolutely NO sense theologically.

By the way, my post was not directed to you necessarily, but it was a response to Mailman Dan.

 

[Logicalthinker]

So? Everybody dies. Ah, I see... because everybody dies, everybody is guilty and is being punished. ONLY some get to be resurrected.
That makes absolutely NO sense theologically.

By the way, my post was not directed to you necessarily, but it was a response to Mailman Dan.

The wicked are punished by death. Meaning no everlasting life.

The Good are rewarded for following Jesus in truth with everlasting life. The first resurrection. The second resurrection will be of the just and unjust. But none that are wicked.

I never once said everyone is punished and is dead.

But everyone gets judged and the wicked are punished.
Some of the people that are resurrected are unjust but God will read their hearts.

If you were God would you resurrect the wicked?

Sorry about the miss communication. I thought you were talking to me not MailmanDan.

 

[uberd00b]

There are two things I do to spot a false religion.
First I look for contradictions in the religion to the bible.
Second I ask if Jesus would do that.

Just out of interest, what do you compare the bible to to check it's veracity?

 

[KCDAD]

The wicked are punished by death. Meaning no everlasting life.

The Good are rewarded for following Jesus in truth with everlasting life. The first resurrection. The second resurrection will be of the just and unjust. But none that are wicked.

I never once said everyone is punished and is dead.

But everyone gets judged and the wicked are punished.
Some of the people that are resurrected are unjust but God will read their hearts.

If you were God would you resurrect the wicked?

Sorry about the miss communication. I thought you were talking to me not MailmanDan.

Everyone dies. No one is exempt. Death, so they say, is punishment. So everyone is punished. Everyone that is punished is guilty. What did I miss?

 

[Catherineanne]

To Catherineanne
You asked, "Would you care to provide the Bible verse which says specifically that if a religion contradicts the Bible it is a false religion? There is no such Scripture, and you have made this up for yourself."

Here is the scripture.

2corinthians 11:14-18 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. 16 I say again, let no man think me a fool; if otherwise, yet as a fool receive me, that I may boast myself a little. 17 That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting. 18 Seeing that many glory after the flesh, I will glory also.

Thanks for the verses. However, I cannot see that they say what you claim that they say. I see no reference to false religion or to the Bible, come to that.

However, there is certainly a lot about foolishness, which seems apt.

 

[Catherineanne]

I follow the Word of God, Jesus. Where did Jesus leave those words for us to learn from him. The Bible. So we follow his teachings in the Bible. which than makes the bible the word of God because the word of God had them written down. I'm to emulate my teacher.

Would Jesus Contradict the Bible? = No

You have your sources mixed up. Christ is the primary source, and the Bible the secondary source. Therefore, it is meaningless to ask whether Our Lord would contradict the Bible, because he does not answer to the Bible, nor to any other man made construct.

Just imagine standing before Christ in eternity and trying to tell him that he is contradicting Scripture. That is a complete nonsense.

It is Christ who is primary, and it is Scripture that has to answer to him. And from this perspective it is clear that much of Scripture does, indeed, contradict the love, mercy and compassion of Christ, and this is the source of much confusion within Christianity today.

The only way to overcome this confusion is to stop worshipping the book, and put Christ back on his throne, where he belongs. Anything less breaks the first commandment of both the old and new testament.

 

[Catherineanne]

But he didn't he told her to stick to scripture and we both know that praying to Mary is not in scripture.

Do not tell me what I know. You see in Scripture only what you want to see, and therefore you cannot see the respect and reverence for his mother that Our Lord had.

If you cannot say anything equally reverent, my advice would be, say nothing at all. I would not take kindly to anyone insulting my mother, and I cannot see that the human part of Our Lord would either, however much the divine part of him might wish to be understanding.

 

[Catherineanne]

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A good judge will punish a murderer in his court room, will he not?

If this is true, why did Christ not stone the woman caught in adultery?

She was clearly guilty, and sorry to have been caught, but we are told of no other sign of what we would regard as repentence.

Why did he show her love, mercy and compassion, rather than the full penalty of the law in a shower of stones?

 

[Mailman Dan]

Look I believe God punishes the wicked. I never said he didn't. Your wages of sin are death. I don't think I have to show that verse again.
you are punished with death. Very fitting for somone that didn't want to follow God. He warned us that the punishment was death. Plus it shows mercy. God will not torture people

So what was the story of the rich man about, as well as all the references that Jesus made about seperation, to the place of weeping and nashing of teeth?

If this is true, why did Christ not stone the woman caught in adultery?

She was clearly guilty, and sorry to have been caught, but we are told of no other sign of what we would regard as repentence.

Why did he show her love, mercy and compassion, rather than the full penalty of the law in a shower of stones?

She flung herself at the feet of the one who could take away sin..

The Christians are not "judging others" but simply telling the world of God’s judgment —that God (not the Christian) has judged all the world as being guilty before Him (Romans 3:19,23). Jesus was able to offer that woman forgiveness for her sin, because He was on His way to die on the cross for her. She acknowledged Him as "Lord," but He still told her, "Go, and sin no more." If she didn’t repent, she would perish.

Dan~~~> thinks its odd people argure "translation error" to every scripture that doesn't fit into their personal, created religion

 

[Logicalthinker]

Just out of interest, what do you compare the bible to to check it's veracity?

Gen 40:8 "At this they said to him: "We have dreamed a dream, and there is no interpreter with us." So Joseph siad to them: "Do not interpretations belong to God?

lightbearer said it best in another post.

The Bible itself says: "Do not interpretations belong to God?" (Gen. 40:8) If in their study of the Scriptures a certain passage is difficult to understand, they must search to find other inspired passages that shed light on the subject. Thus they let the Bible interpret itself, and from this they endeavor to understand "the pattern" of truth set forth in God’s Word." (2 Tim. 1:13)​

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[Logicalthinker]

Everyone dies. No one is exempt. Death, so they say, is punishment. So everyone is punished. Everyone that is punished is guilty. What did I miss?

I'm talking about after judgment day the sinners pay for there sins with death. The true believers than get everlasting life and will no longer die unless they follow Satan a second time.

I get the feeling you don't read the bible.

 

[Logicalthinker]

Thanks for the verses. However, I cannot see that they say what you claim that they say. I see no reference to false religion or to the Bible, come to that.

However, there is certainly a lot about foolishness, which seems apt.

I was saying that Satan hides as an angel of light. His minsters (pedophiles) did their job for him. And God showed us that evil was in the church . He showed us the disgusting thing for what it was. Disgusting. It is up to us to see the signs. That was a big one.

 

[Catherineanne]

She flung herself at the feet of the one who could take away sin..

She acknowledged Him as "Lord," but He still told her, "Go, and sin no more." If she didn’t repent, she would perish.

You have made at least half of this up. Weird. There is no evidence whatever in Scriputre that she flung herself at his feet before he forgave her, or that her salvation was conditional, any more than it is for any one of us.

Christ's love is always unconditional, and our choosing not to sin is the spontaneous expression of our gratitude for that love. Christ does not stand over us with love in one hand, and judgment in the other. He takes the judgement away, by his love, and we respond with trying to match our lives to his holiness. We can never achieve perfection, but there is no threat involved for our failings, any more than a parent would punish a toddler trying to walk for falling over. It is part of learning who we are to make mistakes, and it is part of learning who God is to find him always at our side, and always accepting of who we are.

 

[Catherineanne]

I was saying that Satan hides as an angel of light. His minsters (pedophiles) did their job for him. And God showed us that evil was in the church . He showed us the disgusting thing for what it was. Disgusting. It is up to us to see the signs. That was a big one.

Christ turned his back on Satan. I recommend you to do the same, because you are paying him far too much attention, imho.

Where the focus of your attention is, there is your worship.

 

[Logicalthinker]

You have your sources mixed up. Christ is the primary source, and the Bible the secondary source. Therefore, it is meaningless to ask whether Our Lord would contradict the Bible, because he does not answer to the Bible, nor to any other man made construct.

Just imagine standing before Christ in eternity and trying to tell him that he is contradicting Scripture. That is a complete nonsense.

It is Christ who is primary, and it is Scripture that has to answer to him. And from this perspective it is clear that much of Scripture does, indeed, contradict the love, mercy and compassion of Christ, and this is the source of much confusion within Christianity today.

The only way to overcome this confusion is to stop worshipping the book, and put Christ back on his throne, where he belongs. Anything less breaks the first commandment of both the old and new testament.

He used scripture all the time to set thing right. You are denying the bible as the word of God. Shamful and blasphemous. Especally from a Christian.

Hebrews 4:11-12 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. 12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Where is your faith in God if you do not believe his word?

Here is Jesus saying his words will never pass away

Matthew 24:35-36 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

They don't pass away because they are written in the bible for us to use. He protects them so they don't pass away.

God warned us that people would try to discredit his word. Say that man wrote it. and crap like that. He is God Almighty, if he says their his words in the bible than who am I to argue with God. They must be his words. You can disagree with him that fine with me. Do what you want, you have free will.

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

It disgusts me when a so called Christian says the bible is not the word of God. What a lack of faith.

I do not worship the bible. Please do not put words in my mouth. When have I ever said I worship the bible. You are only trying to discredit me and what I have to say.

If a religion contradicts the bible it is a false religion. If a person denies the word of God and uses doctrine that is not of God. Then defends man over God this too is a sign of a false religion.