How to spot False Religion

[Normal]

not meaning to contradict you or anything, but the crusades where thousands of people died were all done in the name of christianity, and by people who thought they were christians. It is not just christians who have supported Fair Trade, and personally i do not.
For how many years did the christian church ignore the transatlantic slave trade before helping to abolish it?
As the church was so powerful back then they could've done a lot more.

 

[Catherineanne]

So that means that people that pray to her are practicing a false religion. As a Christian I can not argue with scripture.

There is no Scripture which says that anyone praying through Mary is practising a false religion.

Ergo, you are still making this up.

There is also no Scripture that says you can make up your own faith as you go along, and then give it the status of Holy Writ. Unless you happen to be God.

 

[Catherineanne]

Any religion that does not follow the bible is a false religion. If the religion has contradictions with the bible (the very foundation of the religion) Than there is a problem. Thats what I'm saying.

Your premise is flawed. The Bible is not God. You can contradict the Bible all you like, and people in Liberal Theology will not turn a hair.

If you want to get a rise from this particular hook, you would need the fundies.

 

[Theogonia]

Would Jesus play Grand Theft Auto = No Would Jesus watch Saw III = No Would Jesus pledge his allegence to any country? = No

L.O.L.

There are no Christians today that are Christ-like. We all claim to be Christian but than go smoke, drink, play video games that kill people, watch movies like Saw III, and road rage.

Those things are like, so horrible.

smoke, drink, play video games that kill people, watch movies like Saw III, and road rage.

Jesus didn't drive cars either.

That is the truth of it all no candy coating from me. Those things are evil and are a sin.

No they're not.

watching horrible movies.

Excuse me for enjoying art.

 

[Theogonia]

You say Would Jesus eat a hamburger? You said No. But I have scripture that says he would.

Mathew 15:17-18

Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

That says nothing of the sort.

Would Jesus hide pedophiles with in the structure of the church?
That clearly would contradict the scriptures so that would be a false Religion practice.

First, the Catholic church does not hide pedophiles to my knowledge, they do have a problem with pedophilia but that does not make the religion false.

Second, you are clearly very anti-Catholic for reasons that are ridiculous and make sense only to you.

 

[Theogonia]

It's not the first premise. Test your religion on everything and see what passes and what doesn't

2 timothy 3:16-17 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

The key word here is Godly "inspiration" and not literalism.

 

[Theogonia]

If the book that is the very foundation of religion and is the word of God it should not contradict itself or it would show the word of God having errors and who would follow it with out being harmonious.

But it does have errors and minor contradictions.

Because than I could simply pick and choose what I want out of the bible and say the rest is wrong. I you are a Christian you are to believe in the bible whole heartedly.

Only if you are a fundamentalist.

Plus your right Jesus did drink. What I meant is stupid drunk. And he would not smoke. Scripture shows that we are to treat our body as a temple. Would you fill your temple of worship with smoke and allow the wall to become black with tar. No one would want to come to your temple.

Honestly, this is nitpicking. God does not care if we smoke or not, he cares about our spirit.

 

[Logicalthinker]

The Bible is not the foundation of religion. Also, the Bible is not the word of God. Jesus is the Word of God, not a book..

Your right, Jesus is the Word of God, But in the same sense where are those words so that we can see what he said. Now here are some verses where Jesus says read the word of God.

Mathew 22:29-32 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. 31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, 32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Obviously they are the spoken words of God written down. If you deny the bible you can not be a christian. They are the written words of God. That is where the whole religion is written down for our benefit.

The Bible is inspired by God, it is not his word. We are not supposed to follow it. It is supposed to lead us to Christ.

Your right again, It is ment to lead us to Christ. So we need to use it. If Jesus said do one thing and the church does the other they are not following Jesus. If they contradict him they are not finding him. They have made their own personal Jesus. Now her is some verses about scripture and Jesus stateing one has to believe in scripture to believe in me.

John 5:39-47 39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. 41 I receive not honor from men. 42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. 43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. 44 How can ye believe, which receive honor one of another, and seek not the honor that cometh from God only? 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

We have to believe all scripture not just take and use what we want.

How would part of the Bible being wrong mean I got to arbitrarily choose what was right or not in the rest?

If parts of the bible was wrong people would simply say, "Oh i don't beleive that scripture I think it's wrong." Really how would that help you find Jesus and the True religion.

No, if you are a Biblian you are to believe in the Bible whole heartedly. If you are a Christian you are to beleive in Christ whole heartedly.

I will ask you please do not twist my words to make your own point.
Would Jesus twist and distort someones words to make a point? = No

There is no Scripture which says that anyone praying through Mary is practising a false religion.

Ergo, you are still making this up.

There is also no Scripture that says you can make up your own faith as you go along, and then give it the status of Holy Writ. Unless you happen to be God.

I follow the Word of God, Jesus. Where did Jesus leave those words for us to learn from him. The Bible. So we follow his teachings in the Bible. which than makes the bible the word of God because the word of God had them written down. I'm to emulate my teacher.

Would Jesus Contradict the Bible? = No

Mark 7: 5-9 5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands? 6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Romans 10:2-3 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

People do not emulate the teacher. They don't even try. If they did, this planet would be at peace and everyone would get along.

LogicalThinker,

Did Mary hear the word of God and keep it?

Your right she did well but was not perfect. She sinned just like the rest of us. She kept Gods words very well but there is scripture that shows her performing a purification sacrifice. This shows she inherited sin like the rest of us.
Also there were lots of people that keep Gods laws and God found them worthy enough to use for purposes. Moses, Daniel, David and John. We don't pray to them.

John 2:22 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;

How exactly do you define a 'false religion'?

False Religion is any religion that contradicts the teaching of Jesus. When men make there own doctrine and commandments that are not supported by scripture. Which is almost every church in America. The bible tells us that Satan would fool the nations. Well he did.

Titus 1:7-9 7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre; 8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate; 9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

I would avoid all doctrines that man made. Only doctrines that do not contradict the word of God are righteous.

I would rather leave it to Jesus' words: you shall know them by their fruit. Those who do not produce fruit will be thrown into the fire.

Christianity has: abolished the transatlantic slave trade, promoted and p ushed for Fair trade products, led many social justice campaigns, etc. I call those fruits. Shall we leave it at that and stop bashing each other?

I am horrified by the question 'would a true religion hide peadaphiles in its ranks?' This is quite clearly an attack on catholic brothers and sisters. Let me say this: a few, isolated, tiny occurances of mis-managing crimes can not be used to attack an entire religion. That doesn't make sense. It's like saying America invaded Iraq illegally so all Americans are false and evil.

The Crusades are not a good thing. The Knights Templar is not a good thing. How many people died at the hands of a so called Christian Sword. That is the fruit of there labor, Death. Lets have sunday mass and torture the nonbelievers in the torture chamber. Who invented the Iron Maiden (Christians) again we see the fruits of the labor. Making man made doctrine and commandments that are held above the teachings of Jesus. Again that is the fruit of their labors.
Jesus is our teacher and by reading the gospals we learn what his character is like. We are to emulate our teacher Jesus Christ and learn the Word of God so that we may be rightoues in his eyes.
Now Would Jesus put on armor and drive a sword though a complete strangers heart? = No. Well the crusades than are not the path of Christ. Plus we are to turn our swords to plows because we were not to fight anymore.

Micah 4:3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Would Jesus go to Iraq and Kill people? No. Remember we are to emulate our teacher. Killing was against what he taught. Vengences is the Lords. But we wanted revenge so off we go to kill thousands of people in the name of God. Makes no sense and is unclean. If Jesus will not do it than I am not to do it.

2 Corinthians 6: 14-18 14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

You can't have both. Either you choose to follow Christ or you choose the unclean thing. There is only one true Religion and that Religion will not contradict God. It is his Religion and he doesn't want second best.

And again would Jesus hide pedaphiles in the structure of the Church? = No. Only a religion that did not follow Jesus would hide people that would harm children. If Jesus was the one that caught them he would have kicked them out. He would have gone to great trouble to show them for what they were. He would not go around and be sneaky by hiding them and moving them around. He would not have allowed them to go unpunished and still teach the word of God. To hide pedophiles took an incrediable amount of effort, time and money to hide. Unchristian like beahavour to save face over being truthful in the name of God. But the whole sad part is how many people were quilty of hiding the pedophils but they still teach the word of God. Would Jesus allow childmolesters to teach the Word of God? No, So anything that comes forth from their mouth can not be trusted because their hearts have been revealed to us.

Luke 17:1-2 1 Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come! 2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.

And yes if a religion claims to be for God but does ungodly things then the religion is unrighteous. It is an unclean thing and we were commanded not to touch unclean things.

There is no Scripture which says that anyone praying through Mary is practising a false religion.

Ergo, you are still making this up.

There is also no Scripture that says you can make up your own faith as you go along, and then give it the status of Holy Writ. Unless you happen to be God.

Jesus gave us the sample prayer. It does not include mary in it. Where does it say to pray the rosery. Again man made doctrine and commandments. They are not from God. Plus how many times do I have to show you this verse.

Luke 11: 27-28 27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

If it was ok or we are supposed to pray through Mary Jesus would have told her yes blessed is the womb I came from and the paps I sucked. But he didn't he told her to stick to scripture and we both know that praying to Mary is not in scripture. That is a contradiction and shows a false religious belief. Only God deserves our prayers through the sacrificial lamb, Jesus. Plus I am not the one that making stuff up. I read directly from the bible and I know it quite well, Better than most. Because knowledge is faith. Without accurate knowledge of God you can't have accurate faith. If you want made up stuff just read the man made doctrines and commandments and beleive them over the Word of God. I make nothing up. Just because I have created away to sniff out false religion does not make it wrong. I can back everything I say with scripture. I just want people to see that Satan has fooled the whole world just like Jesus said he would.

Your premise is flawed. The Bible is not God. You can contradict the Bible all you like, and people in Liberal Theology will not turn a hair.

If you want to get a rise from this particular hook, you would need the fundies.

Your right the bible is not God but we look to it learn about him and what he wants of us. Plus I am not the one contradicting the bible I am the one showing you the contradictions. You have twisted it to sound like I am the one contradicting the bible. I am showing scripture and you have shown me nothing. It still remains that man does not emulate Jesus or even try. They pretend to believe and say oh I believe in Jesus but than don't follow his teaching and follow the teachings of man.

Now would you please show me where it says to pray to Mary? Would you please show me where it is ok to molest children and still preach the word of God. Would you please show me where it is ok to have idols in a church. Would you please show me where it says that God doesn't forgive me unless I confess to a human preacher. Can you please show me were it talks about the rosery? Would you please show me the scripture that purtains to purgatory?

If it is not in the bible, which is the written word of God and the teachings of Jesus, than it was made up by man and people that follow it are following man not God.

You can aurgue all you want. But if it's not in the bible, which us christians use to find Jesus, than it is not based on the christian religion.

 

[Logicalthinker]

But it does have errors and minor contradictions.

The contradictions are only there because of false religion. Gods true Religion will not contradict the bible.
There is only one true religion and they are righteous in Gods eyes in all ways. See they think they are following God but don't they are ignorant of God's righteousness.

Romans 10:2-3 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Honestly, this is nitpicking. God does not care if we smoke or not, he cares about our spirit.

You must read a different bible than the rest of us or don't read it at all. If your a Christian you don't know Jesus very well. God does not like smoking. sin leads to death, smoking leads to death.

2 Corinthians 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God

James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well

Second hand smoke. What gives a person the right to have people inhale a toxin when they don't want it. How many bartenders that did not smoke die of lung cancer. A lot. Why do you think the laws protect the none smoker. Because it infringes on their civil rights to be healthy.
Scripture clearly indicates that it is an unclean practice.

So I still stand by my post. If it contradicts the Bible (the teachings of Jesus) it is a false religion. If Jesus won't do it I am not to do it. Jesus is still with us he promised us he would be with us so when you say Jesus couldn't eat a hamburger or drive a car are you saying he is not here with us anymore. The gospols taught to know Jesus enough to clearly emulate him or try as hard as I can to be like him. It is not wrong to ask yourself if he would do something. We are supposed to ask. He is still alive with us today. We are supposed to ask Would Jesus love me? Yes. Would Jesus help me find him? Yes. Would Jesus believe a man made doctrine over the scriptures. No.
We are supposed to ask the teacher if it is ok. How else do you learn.

 

[Theogonia]

The contradictions are only there because of false religion. Gods true Religion the bible will not have contradictions.
There is only one true religion and they are righteous in Gods eyes in all ways. See they think they are following God but don't they are ignorant of God's righteousness.

Who is the father of Joseph?

MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

Who was at the Empty Tomb? Is it:

MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Which first--beasts or man?

GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

The number of beasts in the ark

GEN 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

GEN 7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, GEN 7:9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

How many stalls and horsemen?

KI1 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.

CH2 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.

Is it folly to be wise or not?

PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

1 Cor.1:19: "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and wil bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."

Human vs. ghostly impregnation

ACT 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

MAT 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

The sins of the father

ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

Romans 10:2-3 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God."

As I said, these are minor, but they are there.

If your a Christian you don't know Jesus very well.

Tsk tsk, someone is being judgemental with no grounds.

God does not like smoking. sin leads to death, smoking leads to death.

Show me where it says in the bible that smoking is a sin. And there are plenty of things that can lead to death, like bungee jumping or mountain climbing. Are they sins?

2 Corinthians 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God

Spiritual filth. Otherwise soda and prepackaged foods are evil, because they contain harmful chemicals.

Second hand smoke. What gives a person the right to have people inhale a toxin when they don't want it. How many bartenders that did not smoke die of lung cancer. A lot. Why do you think the laws protect the none smoker. Because it infringes on their civil rights to be healthy.

I agree that smokers should be more conscious of other people.

Scripture clearly indicates that it is an unclean practice.

No it doesn't.

So I still stand by my post. If it contradicts the Bible (the teachings of Jesus) it is a false religion.

The base of all Jesus' teachings were morality. If a religion does not teach immorality, it is not against Jesus' teachings.

Just because a religion has a different perspective on God doesn't make it contradictory.

If Jesus won't do it I am not to do it. Jesus is still with us he promised us he would be with us so when you say Jesus couldn't eat a hamburger or drive a car are you saying he is not here with us anymore.

First, what you say makes no sense.

Second, I didn't say that he couldn't, I said that he didn't. So if we should base our lives only on what he did do then we shouldn't do those things.

The gospols taught to know Jesus enough to clearly emulate him or try as hard as I can to be like him.

Yes.

It is not wrong to ask yourself if he would do something.

No but you can't always know. In moral decisions, yes, but saying that you can apply what he would or wouldn't have done to media and entertainment is false.

Would Jesus believe a man made doctrine over the scriptures.

And yet the entirety of your religion is based around man-made doctrine.

For example, the virgin birth, the trinity, the salvation concept, etc.

The Nicene Creed is a man-made doctrine that should not be adhered to as ultimate truth. What it says has truth in it but is always misinterpeted and was written based off the council's perception of God.

We are supposed to ask the teacher if it is ok. How else do you learn.

But you don't pray or ask, you assume that Jesus would or wouldn't do certain things.

And, what may not be a good idea for you to do might be fine for another.

 

[Blackguard_]

Mathew 22:29-32 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. 31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, 32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Obviously they are the spoken words of God written down.

Nope, that passage was quoting a passage that was quoting God. It does not show the Bible is God's words written down, only that it contains some of God's words written down.

"To borrow a phrase from Luther, the Bible is 'the manger in which the Word of God is laid.'"

If you deny the bible you can not be a christian.

To deny the Bible is error and contradiction-free is not to deny the Bible is true at all.

They are the written words of God. That is where the whole religion is written down for our benefit.

Yep, it's things written for aour benefit, but it's not the whole religion written down.

Your right again, It is ment to lead us to Christ. So we need to use it. If Jesus said do one thing and the church does the other they are not following Jesus. If they contradict him they are not finding him

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And how do you know what Jesus said? The Bible records contradictory things. Look at the same event in the Synoptics, and the difference can range from none to major.

They have made their own personal Jesus.

Not unlike those who make the Bible their god.

Now her is some verses about scripture and Jesus stateing one has to believe in scripture to believe in me.

John 5:39-47 39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. 41 I receive not honor from men. 42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. 43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. 44 How can ye believe, which receive honor one of another, and seek not the honor that cometh from God only? 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

We have to believe all scripture not just take and use what we want.

I'm still not seeing how you're getting "all" scripture from this. How is it necessary for Moses to have written nothing wrong for him to have written about Christ?

parts of the bible was wrong people would simply say, "Oh i don't beleive that scripture I think it's wrong." Really how would that help you find Jesus and the True religion.

"having begun in the Spirit are you now made perfect in the flesh?". If parts of the bible were wrong, how is beleiving those parts going to help you find Jesus and true religion?

Your right she did well but was not perfect.

Yep.

She sinned just like the rest of us.

Did I ever say she didn't?

She kept Gods words very well but there is scripture that shows her performing a purification sacrifice. This shows she inherited sin like the rest of us.

The Immaculate Conception is a 19th century Roman Catholic doctrine. What makes you think I believe it?

Also there were lots of people that keep Gods laws and God found them worthy enough to use for purposes. Moses, Daniel, David and John. We don't pray to them.

Does that verse you brought mention praying to anybody?

 

[Logicalthinker]

Who is the father of Joseph?

MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

Who was at the Empty Tomb? Is it:

MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Which first--beasts or man?

GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

The number of beasts in the ark

GEN 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

GEN 7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, GEN 7:9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

How many stalls and horsemen?

KI1 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.

CH2 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.

Is it folly to be wise or not?

PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

1 Cor.1:19: "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and wil bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."

Human vs. ghostly impregnation

ACT 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

MAT 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

The sins of the father

ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

Romans 10:2-3 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God."

As I said, these are minor, but they are there.



Tsk tsk, someone is being judgemental with no grounds.



Show me where it says in the bible that smoking is a sin. And there are plenty of things that can lead to death, like bungee jumping or mountain climbing. Are they sins?



Spiritual filth. Otherwise soda and prepackaged foods are evil, because they contain harmful chemicals.



I agree that smokers should be more conscious of other people.



No it doesn't.



The base of all Jesus' teachings were morality. If a religion does not teach immorality, it is not against Jesus' teachings.

Just because a religion has a different perspective on God doesn't make it contradictory.



First, what you say makes no sense.

Second, I didn't say that he couldn't, I said that he didn't. So if we should base our lives only on what he did do then we shouldn't do those things.



Yes.



No but you can't always know. In moral decisions, yes, but saying that you can apply what he would or wouldn't have done to media and entertainment is false.



And yet the entirety of your religion is based around man-made doctrine.

For example, the virgin birth, the trinity, the salvation concept, etc.

The Nicene Creed is a man-made doctrine that should not be adhered to as ultimate truth. What it says has truth in it but is always misinterpeted and was written based off the council's perception of God.



But you don't pray or ask, you assume that Jesus would or wouldn't do certain things.

And, what may not be a good idea for you to do might be fine for another.

Well I have tried to get people to see that Satan has fooled the whole world just like Jesus said he would. The good news of the kingdom is almost preached to whole world than God will claim the ones that have truly found him and the rest will cry out Lord Lord I know you.

I am no longer going to post because it is obvious that this form of communication is nonconstructive and is against being christian.
Jesus never talked to his followers in a condescending way. He taught like a teacher would with patience. For those that see the false religion for what it is Blessed are you. For the rest you will reap what you sow.
Jesus warned us about man made tradition and doctrine. Believe what you need to feel good and I will do what I do. Follow scripture with no contradictions. The right way.
Bless you all and may the Holy Spirit fill you..

Mathew 15:1-14 1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, 2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. 3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. 5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; 6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. 7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: 11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. 12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying? 13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. 14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

 

[Theogonia]

Well I have tried to get people to see that Satan has fooled the whole world just like Jesus said he would.

Your problem is that you believe any interpetation or opinion that differs from yours is wrong.

I am no longer going to post because it is obvious that this form of communication is nonconstructive and is against being christian.
Jesus never talked to his followers in a condescending way. He taught like a teacher would with patience. For those that see the false religion for what it is Blessed are you. For the rest you will reap what you sow.
Jesus warned us about man made tradition and doctrine. Believe what you need to feel good and I will do what I do. Follow scripture with no contradictions. The right way.
Bless you all and may the holy spirit find you.

I'm tired of this "I'm righteous and I must spread the truth among you poor misguided fools" bit that you christians play up.

 

[Theogonia]

I love how you ignore every point I made in light of your preaching.

 

[KCDAD]

Jesus warned us about man made tradition and doctrine. Believe what you need to feel good and I will do what I do.

Yes he did. And that warning includes much of what you worship in The Bible... like women not speaking or leading in church, like heaven and hell as some after life reward and punishment, like a personal satan, like the mark of the beast; 666.

The Eucharist in church, water baptism, ordination of priests... man, I could go on and on. These are all man made traditions and doctrines... wearing and displaying the cross, corporate prayers, the offering, having a church building...

 

[FluffyRabbitHunter]

-snip-

The Crusades are not a good thing. The Knights Templar is not a good thing. How many people died at the hands of a so called Christian Sword. That is the fruit of there labor, Death. Lets have sunday mass and torture the nonbelievers in the torture chamber. Who invented the Iron Maiden (Christians) again we see the fruits of the labor. Making man made doctrine and commandments that are held above the teachings of Jesus. Again that is the fruit of their labors.
Jesus is our teacher and by reading the gospals we learn what his character is like. We are to emulate our teacher Jesus Christ and learn the Word of God so that we may be rightoues in his eyes.
Now Would Jesus put on armor and drive a sword though a complete strangers heart? = No. Well the crusades than are not the path of Christ. Plus we are to turn our swords to plows because we were not to fight anymore.

Micah 4:3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Would Jesus go to Iraq and Kill people? No. Remember we are to emulate our teacher. Killing was against what he taught. Vengences is the Lords. But we wanted revenge so off we go to kill thousands of people in the name of God. Makes no sense and is unclean. If Jesus will not do it than I am not to do it.

2 Corinthians 6: 14-18 14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

You can't have both. Either you choose to follow Christ or you choose the unclean thing. There is only one true Religion and that Religion will not contradict God. It is his Religion and he doesn't want second best.

And again would Jesus hide pedaphiles in the structure of the Church? = No. Only a religion that did not follow Jesus would hide people that would harm children. If Jesus was the one that caught them he would have kicked them out. He would have gone to great trouble to show them for what they were. He would not go around and be sneaky by hiding them and moving them around. He would not have allowed them to go unpunished and still teach the word of God. To hide pedophiles took an incrediable amount of effort, time and money to hide. Unchristian like beahavour to save face over being truthful in the name of God. But the whole sad part is how many people were quilty of hiding the pedophils but they still teach the word of God. Would Jesus allow childmolesters to teach the Word of God? No, So anything that comes forth from their mouth can not be trusted because their hearts have been revealed to us.

Luke 17:1-2 1 Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come! 2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.

And yes if a religion claims to be for God but does ungodly things then the religion is unrighteous. It is an unclean thing and we were commanded not to touch unclean things.
-snip-

Forgive me for just responding to your comments that were directed to me.

Firstly: whoa. Slow down a little bit. You're making such broad, sweeping statements and really are throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Firstly, let's ignore the crusades, shall we? I generally find it rather unhelpful to judge history by moral standards post-enlightenment. Read a book called Credo (Melvyn Bragg) and you might have a different view on that. Anyway, I'm not sure you can just put things into black and white boxes of good and evil. I don't, for instance, like the Knights Templar who raped and murdered a great deal. But the KT's also invented modern day banking, and set up missions, hospitals etc. So we can see good and bad things within that particular branch. I don't think you can condemn it outright.

I do very much agree with you about turning swords into ploughshares. I do not think we should have invaded Iraq. But I don't really see why you're bringing that up. As far as I can see it had little to do with Christians (certainly European Christians were very much against it) and there are many Christian aid agencies working to heal the wounds following the war.

I am still shocked by your anti-catholic church statements. You seem to think that because a few mistakes were made in the handling of very difficult child abuse cases, the entire religion needs to be thrown out. I could easily offer an alternative, equally simplistic arguement - Mother Teresa was a catholic who devtoed her life to serving, therefore the entire catholic religioni s of God. You see, it makes just as little sense.

What we can look for is for lessons on dealing with child abuse cases and then also for the good, God-inspired parts of the religion. I disagree with what you seem to be saying, allow me to paraphrase, that because people make mistakes their religion can't be trusted. Should I consider your religion to be false because you've made some mistakes? (I don't share your view that the entire catholic religion is responsible for covering up peadophiles, rather than the judgement of a few bishops who, with hindsight, can see and admit their mistakes.)

To repeat what I've just said, you can't squeeze any religion as large as 2 billion people into 'evil' or 'good'. You can look for strands of goodness with in it and celebrate that, and you can see the badness in terms of redemption of the world, and that humans make mistakes, however terrible. But I believe my origional point still stands. You shall know true religion, true goodness, through the fruits of it. Peace processes in Northern Ireland, led by churches both Catholic and Protestant. Aid agencies around the world helping the victims of AIDS and other terrible blights. Even, dare I say it, your bogeymen 'child molesters' who give their income, time and resources to help the work of God, despite their personal struggles.

Would you say you were a compassionate person? Because all I can see in your posts is blame and a want for revenge on those who've failed Christ's standards. Do you fit into that category?

 

[KCDAD]

The Crusades are not a good thing. The Knights Templar is not a good thing. How many people died at the hands of a so called Christian Sword. That is the fruit of there labor, Death. Lets have sunday mass and torture the nonbelievers in the torture chamber. Who invented the Iron Maiden (Christians) again we see the fruits of the labor. Making man made doctrine and commandments that are held above the teachings of Jesus. Again that is the fruit of their labors.
Jesus is our teacher and by reading the gospals we learn what his character is like. We are to emulate our teacher Jesus Christ and learn the Word of God so that we may be rightoues in his eyes.

Would Jesus go to Iraq and Kill people? No. Remember we are to emulate our teacher. Killing was against what he taught. Vengences is the Lords. But we wanted revenge so off we go to kill thousands of people in the name of God. Makes no sense and is unclean. If Jesus will not do it than I am not to do it.

It's what you know that just ain't so...

The Crusades were a response to The Moors and Saracens invading Europe and the Middle East. In much the same way, the war in Iraq and Afghanistan is a a religious crusade. If you want to talk about Christian atrocities, The Crusades is not the place to begin. Try the Inquisition...
You like to play what would Jesus do game? If Jesus was living next door to you and he saw a gang of murderers and thieves breaking into your house to rob, rape and kill you and your family.... W W JD? Would he bring a sword (or a shotgun) to protect you and your family or would he quietly phone 911 and pray that cops show up on time and aren't on the other side of town on another call? Or would he walk over to the gang and command them to disperse?

 

[Emmy]

Dear Logicalthinker. May I say this with love and humility, there is One Sure Way. Unless Jesus is God-Son, the 2nd Person in the Holy Trinity, and He paid our debt to God`s holy Law, and reconciled us to God, there is no way, that I will accept any religion. We moved away from God, and Jesus will lead us back to God, He gave His All for us, and Him I will trust to help me to Repent, to become a true and loving Daughter of our Father in Heaven. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.

 

[Logicalthinker]

Hello everyone, Sorry I got frustrated and left. With much thought I decided that was not very Christian like of me. I apologize.

 

[Logicalthinker]

Forgive me for just responding to your comments that were directed to me.

Firstly: whoa. Slow down a little bit. You're making such broad, sweeping statements and really are throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Firstly, let's ignore the crusades, shall we? I generally find it rather unhelpful to judge history by moral standards post-enlightenment. Read a book called Credo (Melvyn Bragg) and you might have a different view on that. Anyway, I'm not sure you can just put things into black and white boxes of good and evil. I don't, for instance, like the Knights Templar who raped and murdered a great deal. But the KT's also invented modern day banking, and set up missions, hospitals etc. So we can see good and bad things within that particular branch. I don't think you can condemn it outright.

I do very much agree with you about turning swords into ploughshares. I do not think we should have invaded Iraq. But I don't really see why you're bringing that up. As far as I can see it had little to do with Christians (certainly European Christians were very much against it) and there are many Christian aid agencies working to heal the wounds following the war.

I am still shocked by your anti-catholic church statements. You seem to think that because a few mistakes were made in the handling of very difficult child abuse cases, the entire religion needs to be thrown out. I could easily offer an alternative, equally simplistic arguement - Mother Teresa was a catholic who devtoed her life to serving, therefore the entire catholic religioni s of God. You see, it makes just as little sense.

What we can look for is for lessons on dealing with child abuse cases and then also for the good, God-inspired parts of the religion. I disagree with what you seem to be saying, allow me to paraphrase, that because people make mistakes their religion can't be trusted. Should I consider your religion to be false because you've made some mistakes? (I don't share your view that the entire catholic religion is responsible for covering up peadophiles, rather than the judgement of a few bishops who, with hindsight, can see and admit their mistakes.)

To repeat what I've just said, you can't squeeze any religion as large as 2 billion people into 'evil' or 'good'. You can look for strands of goodness with in it and celebrate that, and you can see the badness in terms of redemption of the world, and that humans make mistakes, however terrible. But I believe my origional point still stands. You shall know true religion, true goodness, through the fruits of it. Peace processes in Northern Ireland, led by churches both Catholic and Protestant. Aid agencies around the world helping the victims of AIDS and other terrible blights. Even, dare I say it, your bogeymen 'child molesters' who give their income, time and resources to help the work of God, despite their personal struggles.

Would you say you were a compassionate person? Because all I can see in your posts is blame and a want for revenge on those who've failed Christ's standards. Do you fit into that category?

We can't just throw out the crusades. Can we just throw out parts of the bible? We are not to make war. We are to have faith in the True God that he will protect his people. But remember to be his people you have to do what God commanded not what man commanded. The crusades were two religions fighting over the same God. The god of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob. We both claim that God commanded us to fight. God told us not to make war. We can clearly see the joy Satan got out of us. Making us kill each other in the name of the same God. The church is involved in nationalism which is mans way. So we can't just throw the crusades away. Then what about the Inquisition?

Now as far as the pedophile things goes. The church hid some of those people within the structure of the church for what looks like about 20 yrs or more according to all the court documents. "For every one rat you see there are 50 more". Quote from Dr. Phil All this is just now coming to light but for 20 yrs or more they hid these people. But here is the clincher. They still taught the word of God while Molesting children and the church knew it for those 20 yrs or more. Even the pope knew.

I do consider myself a compassionate person. You may not see it that way because I believe in the true faith. Which makes us clash. I am compelled in my heart to spread the good news of the Kingdom. But, people have to see false religion first. They don't want to give up what they know. I do get that. I love people. I love you. I will never judge you. You are probably a wonderful person and your heart speaks for you. But my love compels me to want to teach the truth. Because the bible says their is only one faith. They follow the doctrine of Christ not man. Which gives me a God given right to judge ones religion. Not people, But I will judge a religion. As should everyone.

2 John 1:9-10 9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

If you don't abidith in the doctrine of Christ, Hath not God.

I've showed you verse that shows we are not to pray to Mary.
The church is not following the doctrine of Christ. they don't have God. That is how pedophiles got in. God had abandoned his house. He will not stay in something unclean.

Just like when he abandoned Jerusalem.

Matthew 23:37-39 37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

This is how the people that know the truth are treated.

Matthew 24:9-12 9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

in·iq·ui·ty /ɪˈnɪk

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1.gross injustice or wickedness.
2.a violation of right or duty; wicked act; sin.

Now notice that is what people do to the people that preach the truth.

Also notice the last line. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. This is talking about when the greater numbers cool off. When more people believe in false religions than the truth. So the ones that speak the truth will be far smaller in number than that of false religions.
That is when wrong becomes right (Abortion, praying to Mary, War, Nationalism, porn) All are accepted and man made laws protect them. Than right becomes wrong.( People that keep the faith will be hated because they say Abortion, praying to Mary, War, Nationalism and porn are wrong). That is the big picture. All those things that are wrong in Gods eyes are legal. So the slaves of God that follow his word and consider those things against God. Are hated for it. That just doesn't make sense. Unless, this is Satan's world. Where evil things become good things and good things become hated things.