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Oh so is your religion like the Jews who couldn't even write or say YHWH? Personally I think spelling someone's name properly is a sign of respect. Considering also God is a title, and not a name.You obviously know little about the customs of my religion.
You're still alive and your length of time on earth is unknown to you, but not unknown to God.That boat has long sailed.
Yeah it's called prayer and the answer from our God to those prayers. Such as healing and miracles.There are arguments that suggest such beliefs have persisted because they have a selective advantage.
It's a Commandment and that being said it falls under the first and greatest Commandment in the Christian Faith?Oh so is your religion like the Jews who couldn't even write or say YHWH? Personally I think spelling someone's name properly is a sign of respect. Considering also God is a title, and not a name.
Read the OP's entire post again and don't cherry-pick. I had a right to post on this thread just as much as you do.Forum rules state that posts should remain on topic. The topic on this Physical & Life Science sub-forum concerns scientific evidence for God.
You do realise I was talking about brain study here? You're forgetting context again.There's a difference between scientifically detecting God and scientifically detecting a belief in God. Your idea would detect the latter.
It was an example used in response to what she was referencing. It wasn't literal. If you didn't see that in the context of the conversation it was in then don't reply to a conversation you aren't a part of.Yes, I read that context; I was just curious to know if the part I quoted had been said by someone.
Of course.So you don't believe in GOD but your husband does?
Do you trust your husband?
I wanted to find the truth.Exactly the point.
Did you want to pray to God?
Where did I ever say I had been hurt by a Christian? Please quote my post where I said that.The former: I quoted your post where you said it yourself.
I have very clearly stated what my intentions were. My intentions were to find the truth. You don't get to pretend I never said it just because you think it's the wrong reason.The latter: you took that out of context of the responses within that post. I showed you had clearly not done what you said you had. So I responded to the repetitiveness of your claim.
You still haven't answered the simple question of your intentions in your prayer. Wanting God to prove himself to you as an unbeliever is not humility.
How can anyone understand it when it's so wildly inconsistent between different people? Is it too much to ask that the results people get actually agree with each other? You know, the way real things do?And you don't understand the supernatural.
You BELIEVE very strongly he is the son of God. Thus, you have a religious belief.I know he is the Son of God.
Sure, provided there is some falsifiable claim about God.Can it DISprove the existence of God?
Because I want to find out the truth. If God is the truth, I want to know.Exactly.
So why are you so adamant to obtain "evidence" of God through scientific means?
I have done the equivilent.So you placed 2 chairs facing each other and sat down to talk to Jesus then?
Like it or not, when you come in here and start telling people, "What you claim about your beliefs is wrong, I know what you really believe," despite not knowing that person at all, it is arrogant.I'm not the one calling other people "arrogant".
You could not have quoted my own words where I said a Christian had hurt me, because I never said any such thing.Again, I quoted your own words.
and I asked you to elaborate on the story about your husband wanting you to pray, to show me that I was wrong, but you ignored that.
So show me that I'm wrong? Explain your heart posture the day you prayed? Can you remember what you were thinking? God knows. Nothing is hidden from his sight.
Well apart from the buzzwords you included, such an argument would seem to render Christianity completely unverifiable. Why then should we accept it as fact over some other similar text?OR.............maybe the existential essence of Christianity is "encased" in writing, presently existing as potential, representational written history of the past.
And as you know, unveiling the past and attempting to write valid prose in a history book isn't the same thing as doing the next experiment at CERN, or climbing the Empire State Building.
Which fits with what Mark Twain said: “Having faith is believing in something you just know ain't true.”Does anyone really know 'what' Christian faith is or what it is composed of epistemologically and psychologically?
I'd say "not exactly." But we sure get a lot of overly firm opionions about its "true nature," and it usually comes by quoting Hebrews 11:1
(and one or two other favorite but extracted verses) without much-- if any -- solid context.
But I get it. Not everyone wants to do their homework.
Ah, thanks, I missed that. The only post I saw was 2864 on the next page from that.I already offered a bit more back up in post #2,859. Did you not see it? You asked for brief (for what I took as a request for a quick synopsis). That's what I wrote. Brief!!
How to prove that GOD exists from a scientific point of view?
Why? If I did, would you stop being an atheist? If I started believing in things that can't be tested, I'd end up believing in all sorts of things that aren't true.www.christianforums.com
What's a commandment? Not spelling or saying Gods title? Not true, the scripture says it.It's a Commandment and that being said it falls under the first and greatest Commandment in the Christian Faith?
As I have pointed out before, God was easy to falsify.Sure, provided there is some falsifiable claim about God.
I quoted it before but here it is again.The only hurt has been arrogant Christians who think they know better than me what I have done regarding religion.
See above.Where did I ever say I had been hurt by a Christian? Please quote my post where I said that.
I never said you didn't ask God to prove he is real. In fact I've mentioned that's your problem several times. Your heart is not open to seek him intently. You said so yourself that your husband asked you to try, so you did. You may have wanted to believe for your husbands sake, but that's not the same as seeking God for him.I have very clearly stated what my intentions were. My intentions were to find the truth. You don't get to pretend I never said it just because you think it's the wrong reason.
People who use the scripture as foundational truth coupled with the leading of the Holy Spirit do not disagree or have wildly different experiences with God.How can anyone understand it when it's so wildly inconsistent between different people? Is it too much to ask that the results people get actually agree with each other? You know, the way real things do?
No. Believing is one thing. Once Jesus reveals himself to you, it's no longer a belief. It's truth.You BELIEVE very strongly he is the son of God. Thus, you have a religious belief.
Principle/belief... what's the difference? It really sounds to me like science doesn't have all the answers either. Certainly science can't tell you what happens when you die. If you like to live with that uncertainty, that's your choice to make.For any falsifiable claim, science can describe some result which will disprove it. That result may or may not exist in reality, but the principle is there.
Seek and you shall find, knock and the door will be opened to you. Sincere humility is paramount.Because I want to find out the truth. If God is the truth, I want to know.
I provided the example because it has helped some believers when they have trouble praying and not being able to see God with their physical eyes. It's worked for them. I don't really know if it would work for a non-believer though, unless their heart was open. God loves faith. Placing a chair for him shows great faith that you understand he is a real person, even though you can't see him with your physical eyes.I have done the equivilent.
Unless you think God requires the chairs for reasons, and he will refuse to talk to anyone who does not provide him with a place to sit himself.
And you're a hypocrite. I didn't just "come in here" telling people what they believe. I responded to the OP and got jumped on for sharing my views on God and the bible, on a thread that discusses God. I responded and is where the conversation started. It appears like you all expected me to just run away with my tail between my legs because you athiests have claimed territory, but sorry I'm no pushover.Like it or not, when you come in here and start telling people, "What you claim about your beliefs is wrong, I know what you really believe," despite not knowing that person at all, it is arrogant.
Top of this post (there's the circular happening again.)You could not have quoted my own words where I said a Christian had hurt me, because I never said any such thing.
That's not falsifiablity, since it starts with the assumption that Jesus was real.As I have pointed out before, God was easy to falsify.
All they had to do is produce Jesus' body from the grave, and Christianity would have been squelched before it ever got started.
You weren't there though.That's not falsifiablity, since it starts with the assumption that Jesus was real.
It was genuine. You came in and said you doubted I was being truthful when I told you what I had done.I quoted it before but here it is again.
Was this genuine or were you being spiteful?
Honest answer to an honest question?
I don’t know about you, but I don’t like beating around the bush.
You didn't show where I said a Christian had hurt me.See above.
And here we go with the arrogance again. You are telling me that my heart is not open despite the fact that I have been abundantly clear that I am ALWAYS open to the truth.I never said you didn't ask God to prove he is real. In fact I've mentioned that's your problem several times. Your heart is not open to seek him intently. You said so yourself that your husband asked you to try, so you did. You may have wanted to believe for your husbands sake, but that's not the same as seeking God for him.
Wow, you just can't understand the point I was making at all, can you?You replied to another post declaring praying to God is the same as someone asking us to pray to Zeus. The unbelief is the heart issue but you are right - you cannot force anything. I pray that in your life journey God will draw you to himself the way he knows how because he knows you completely. (Whether you believe that or not).
Sure they do.People who use the scripture as foundational truth coupled with the leading of the Holy Spirit do not disagree or have wildly different experiences with God.
If it can't be tested, you can't know that it's true.Define what is "real" if we're talking physical realm again then we'll have to disregard everything as "not real". Including your emotional responses to my querying where you believe you were being insulted by "arrogant Christians". How does that sound? We can't reduce everything down to only everything that can be seen or "tested" it's just not reality. (Which is actually duality btw).
But Jesus won't reveal himself to me until I believe. What a vicious circle. I convince myself that Jesus is real without having any evidence, then I get some feeling that I ascribe to Jesus because it supports what I have already chosen to believe.No. Believing is one thing. Once Jesus reveals himself to you, it's no longer a belief. It's truth.
The OP asked if there was scientific evidence for God. That is the discussion. You came in here and started giving non-scientific answers. And yet you accuse me of not staying on the topic.I'm not here to prove it either that's something have you to seek for yourself. I basically responded to a thread (on a Christian forum) that mentioned witnessing to unbelievers and I got jumped on. Did you answer the OP's question Kylie? Did any of you? No one else has more right to be on this thread or in this forum, than a believer. If you're so adamant you aren't ever going to believe why be here? Don't give me that bull about "trying to understand" religion, you clearly don't want to understand when people try to converse with you about God.
Better honest ignorance than deciding that ANY answer is better than none, even if it's wrong.Principle/belief... what's the difference? It really sounds to me like science doesn't have all the answers either. Certainly science can't tell you what happens when you die. If you like to live with that uncertainty, that's your choice to make.
I sought, I knocked, I got nothing.Seek and you shall find, knock and the door will be opened to you. Sincere humility is paramount.
Good for them.I provided the example because it has helped some believers when they have trouble praying and not being able to see God with their physical eyes. It's worked for them. I don't really know if it would work for a non-believer though, unless their heart was open. God loves faith. Placing a chair for him shows great faith that you understand he is a real person, even though you can't see him with your physical eyes.
You most certainly have told me what I believe.And you're a hypocrite. I didn't just "come in here" telling people what they believe. I responded to the OP and got jumped on for sharing my views on God and the bible, on a thread that discusses God. I responded and is where the conversation started. It appears like you all expected me to just run away with my tail between my legs because you athiests have claimed territory, but sorry I'm no pushover.
You told me I had not made the effort to pray to God when I stated repeatedly that I had.Read the Gospel by itself, everything Jesus did and said in his ministry on earth and tell me what is so upsetting.
You said I think that Jesus the person is exactly the same thing as a person's belief in Jesus. I do not.But you made no effort to truly speak to God. You did it for your husband, not because you wanted to know God for yourself.
You stated that I had not sincerely sought the truth about God when I stated repeatedly that I had.You see them as one and the same. They are not. Jesus is God.
You said that a Christian must have hurt me. You seem to think that only something like that could cause a person to lack belief in God.Doubt it.
You said that my interpretation MUST be wrong simply because I don't have the same interpretation as you.Whatever a Christian has done to hurt you is not a reflection of God. He loves you.
You said our conversation was making me upset because you were trying to get me to think more deeply about "these things" (which were just you telling me what I believed and that someone must have hurt me).I didn't say you lied, I wasn't sure if I remembered you saying you read the bible or it was other posters here, but just incase you had read it, then you mustn't have interpreted it properly, otherwise you would have understood my reference to living stones.
You made fun of @ruthiesea because she chooses to write G-d instead of God. This is something that people do as a sign of respect, but you instead chose to tease her.I was hoping to get you to think more deeply about these things, but it's obviously making you upset.
You said I was not open to whatever the truth is.I love how you keep writing G-d as though it's difficult to spell the title properly. Speaks volumes
And you gaslight. You didn't get "jumped on" for sharing your views on God, you got jumped on for telling people that what they said about their own beliefs was wrong.Your heart is not open to seek him intently.
So yeah, don't tell me you haven't done it.And you're a hypocrite. I didn't just "come in here" telling people what they believe. I responded to the OP and got jumped on for sharing my views on God and the bible, on a thread that discusses God.
I want you to accept what people say and stop telling them that they are wrong about their own belief position.You want to end the conversation without snark and spite, and agree to disagree I'm all for that.
You quoted NOTHING at the top of this post.Top of this post (there's the circular happening again.)
Just clearing my throat.You got a point to make, or are you just wasting everyone's time?
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