How to prove God exists.

[TagliatelliMonster]

Dear Loudmouth, you are purposefully not linking to me, you say that I should seek evidence from people who know God exists - wrong!


From the start I want to learn from you, how you come to your kind of a position, at this point in time, how you seek evidence (or don't).

Just read again my immediately preceding post, I want to learn how you seek evidence (or don't).

That is your template in our exchange, you are into hide and seek, seek to hide more deeper and darker.

Whereas I want to learn from you, from you history, please get that, and stop taking to hide and seek to hide even more and more and more.

He already told you, multiple times now: you ask the person who makes the claim.

See, when you make a claim and expect others to believe you, they will ask you to support your claim with evidence. That's how it works over here in the rational world.

 

[quatona]

Dear Loudmouth and atheists similar to you, thanks for your replies to my two requests:

1. What exactly is your position on God existing or not existing?

I have no position. I don´t hold a belief in God, as defined by you.

2. Teach me step by step to be similar to you.

You becoming like me is an impossibility, for countless reasons. Actually, I don´t even have any interest in you becoming like me.

Now, tell me how you look for evidence, okay?

I don´t seek for evidence for God.
There are people who claim that there´s God, and some of them - among them you - even claim to have evidence and proof for the veracity of said claim.
I waiting for them to provide their evidence and proof, even though I won´t hold my breath, seeing how long it takes for you to even get started.

 

[Radrook]

Technically only "strong" atheism is related to "belief" that no God exists, whereas "weak" atheism is akin to what you're describing as agnosticism. Most "atheists" I've met tend to fall into the "weak" atheism category rather than the "strong" atheism category, therefore the "broad" category of atheism is typically defined as a "lack of belief" in the existence of God, without that 'demand' aspect.

I will keep that distinction in mind. Thanks.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Dear Loudmouth and Oh ye all atheists:



How do babies lead all the way to God in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning?



From the principle of causality, namely, anything with a beginning needs a cause to bring it to existence.



Do you accept that principle of causality?



Now, may I also ask you how you without doing any thinking at all come to the conclusion that there is no God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and the operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning?





Let us sit back, dear readers here, and await wit bated breath from Loudmouth and Oh ye atheists to tell us whether they accept the principle of causality, and also how they without any thinking at all come to the judgment that there is no God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

What's the point of a discussion on "causality" if you're going to abandon the principle when we discuss the cause of your god? You don't believe your god needed a "cause" do you?

 

[Ana the Ist]

I'm trying to get educatee(s) to admit that there was no Hebrew DNA prior to the existence of Abram.

The Hebrew DNA then, "came out of nowhere."

Meaning God modified Shemite DNA to give us the Jews.

Joshua 24:3 And I took your father Abraham from the other side of the flood, and led him throughout all the land of Canaan, and multiplied his seed, and gave him Isaac.

"Hebrew DNA"? What?!?

If all the Jews in the world suddenly converted...would there no longer be any "Hebrew DNA"?

 

[Radrook]

What's the point of a discussion on "causality" if you're going to abandon the principle when we discuss the cause of your god? You don't believe your god needed a "cause" do you?

Do you believe that causality is always a necessity?

 

[Freodin]

Dear Loudmouth and atheists similar to you, thanks for your replies to my two requests:

1. What exactly is your position on God existing or not existing?

2. Teach me step by step to be similar to you.

As regards No. 1, honestly I am still vague with what your position is, at all, in re God exists or not.

But at least tell me do you at all have any information of (no, this is not any trap as to then insist that you already accept the existence of God when you know the information of what God you are talking about) the concept of God, so that at least I know that you and I are talking about the same concept.

Otherwise it is altogether nonsense talk between you and me, do you get that at all?

For the present, please think carefully exactly what is your position in re God existing or not, but again you have got to harbor in your mind some information at all of God.

We will return to No. 1.

Now, in regard to No. 2, my request to you to teach me step by step, how to become like your in re God exists or not, I have not read any attempt from your part to teach me.

Of course I fear that as usual you will go into hide and seek mode again, hide as to not commit anything of any teaching to me on how to become like you, and seek, by seeking to hide better, in order to (comic mode from me now) shoot sniper's bullets more lethally on your victims.

Prove me wrong with my fear, by factually telling me, like this:

Step 1. Dear Pachomius, first you must learn how to think like the way I [you] think, here, like this...

Okay, Loudmouth and all atheists similar to Loudmouth, are you ready to teach me how to become like you, in re God exists or not, or you ( please bear with me but I am clear about what I see you to be into ) want to hide and seek, seek to hide better and deeper, all the time and in every context of communication that is viable.

So, I am waiting and I am sure readers here are also waiting with bated breath to read your instructions step by step, how to become from my part to become like you Loudmouth and also atheists of your kind.

As regards, No. 1, I will come to that again later, in the meantime you do some clear and precision thinking, on what exactly your position is in re God existing or not, and also of course get some information on the concept of God that you might have some focus on, in re God existing or not.

Let us on your next posts here, just concentrate from my part I will learn from you how to become like you, and from your part you will teach me step by step.

Okay?

I provided you with a detailed explanation why the position you promote is either false, irrelevant or meaningless. You either really did miss it - you can find it here How to prove God exists. - or you chose to ignore it.

As I did link to your post when presenting my response, the forum system would have provided you with an alert to show my response... I would have to conclude that you are not really following this conversation with interest if you missed such obvious hints.
It would even be worse if you deliberately ignored my post... then I would have to conclude that you are not really interesting in "learning" and all that talk about "hide and seek" is just a projection of your own position: you hide from information that you do not want to see.

I think I can vaguely remember you and your postings from a few years ago. I do not remember if I tried to engage with you, but I do remember what the end result was... several people trying to answer you... and you constantly ignoring their responses.

What you do with your time is your choice. How you justify your beliefs is your choice.

But you should be aware that you can either start to engage in a two-way conversation, or be content to affirm the negative view that many atheists have about people like you.

Your choice.

 

[quatona]

Do you believe that causality is always a necessity?

No, I don´t agree with the first premise of the Cosmological argument.

 

[Pachomius]

Loudmouth says:
"I don't believe in God, but I keep the possibility open that God could exist. I don't see how I can make it any clearer than that."

Those are your words, dear Loudmouth, on my request No. 1, what exactly is your postion if at all on the issue God exists or not.

We will come to that later, right now let us continue with my request No. 2, that you teach me how to become like you, step by step.
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Okay. Dear Loudmouth, I get you, you seek evidence from people who know God exists.

Please bear with me, have you ever at all done any search for evidence, instead of asking people who know God exists?

I am also open to tell you if you care to, to ask me from your part how I come to the certainty of God existing.

In particular since you accept the information that in concept God is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

And you are not into putting up a wall insisting that with knowing the information of some concept, you are already entrapping yourself into acceptance of the existence of the thing corresponding to the information.

You see, when I talk with atheists, I find them to be into putting up all kinds and manners of hide and seek safety, by which they will not at all agree with me, even on so simple a thing as that babies come from their parents, instead they will say that babies come from reproduction - that is the awful kind of a mindset that dwells on all kinds and manners of linguistic foolery.

And dear Loudmouth, I am not into bringing you to God, not at all.

You see, I have been to forums of atheists and forums of Christians, and I have been banned by both: the first for examining them on how they think which does not at all agree with them, that they banned me; the second for their fear that I am effecting the departure of atheists from their forums, thereby the atheists would no longer be in circumstances as to come to God, from being in a their Christian forum.

In my case, I am only examining atheists on how they think, not at all into bringing atheists to God.

And why do I care to examine how atheists think? Because they are intelligent and have higher IQ than me, so it is to my profit that I find out how they think.

And they are more learned than me, so also that is why I like to talk with them, to imbibe knowledge from them.

Okay, back to my request to you, please tell me, have you ever sought evidence by yourself at all, instead of asking evidence from people who know God exists?


Dear readers here, let us sit back to witness with bated breath how Loudmouth will tell us at all, whether he had ever sought for evidence by himself, instead of asking it from people who know God exists.

 

[quatona]

You see, I have been to forums of atheists and forums of Christians, and I have been banned by both:

I definitely can see why.

the first for examining them on how they think which does not at all agree with them, that they banned me; the second for their fear that I am effecting the departure of atheists from their forums, thereby the atheists would no longer be in circumstances as to come to God, from being in a their Christian forum.

I don´t believe these were the reasons. Did they give these reason, or are you just making them up?

 

[Radrook]

No, I don´t agree with the first premise of the Cosmological argument.

Cosmological argument - Wikipedia

Please note that one need not invoke a deity in order to believe that the universe needed a cause.
Cosmologists are constantly seeking causes for the Big Bang beyond the Big Bang. The question is: Does everything need to have a cause?

 

[Freodin]

Can we please relabel this thread to "How to NOT prove God exists."

 

[quatona]

Cosmological argument - Wikipedia

Please note that one need not invoke a deity in order to believe that the universe needed a cause.

What made you think the I felt the question had to do with deities?

Does everything need to have a cause?

Within the universe? Yes, every event is caused - that´s at least what our experience tells us. We would have to determine what´s required for something to be a cause first, though.
"Does everything need to have a cause?" is way too unprecise a question - unless you are in kindergarten using colloquial language.

 

[Radrook]

Because you introduced the cosmological argument into the discussion.

In natural theology, a cosmological argument is an argument in which the existence of a unique being, generally seen as some kind of god or demiurge is deduced or inferred from facts or alleged facts concerning causation, change, motion, contingency, or finitude in respect of the universe as a whole
Cosmological argument - Wikipedia

BTW
I am merely following the discussion already in progress. I did not initiate it.

 

[Gene2memE]

You see, I have been to forums of atheists and forums of Christians, and I have been banned by both: the first for examining them on how they think which does not at all agree with them, that they banned me; the second for their fear that I am effecting the departure of atheists from their forums, thereby the atheists would no longer be in circumstances as to come to God, from being in a their Christian forum.

I smell Dunning-Krueger...

 

[HitchSlap]

Cosmological argument - Wikipedia

Please note that one need not invoke a deity in order to believe that the universe needed a cause.

Did you even read the first sentence of your link?

 

[HitchSlap]

I smell Dunning-Krueger...

I'm leaning towards Poe, or bot.

 

[quatona]

Because you introduced the cosmological argument into the discussion.

No, I certainly didn´t introduce it.

BTW
I am merely following the discussion already in progress. I did not initiate it.

To me it seemed like you did more than merely following it. You made it almost look like you were participating in it and bringing up points of your own.

 

[bhsmte]

Loudmouth says:
"I don't believe in God, but I keep the possibility open that God could exist. I don't see how I can make it any clearer than that."

Those are your words, dear Loudmouth, on my request No. 1, what exactly is your postion if at all on the issue God exists or not.

We will come to that later, right now let us continue with my request No. 2, that you teach me how to become like you, step by step.
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Okay. Dear Loudmouth, I get you, you seek evidence from people who know God exists.

Please bear with me, have you ever at all done any search for evidence, instead of asking people who know God exists?

I am also open to tell you if you care to, to ask me from your part how I come to the certainty of God existing.

In particular since you accept the information that in concept God is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

And you are not into putting up a wall insisting that with knowing the information of some concept, you are already entrapping yourself into acceptance of the existence of the thing corresponding to the information.

You see, when I talk with atheists, I find them to be into putting up all kinds and manners of hide and seek safety, by which they will not at all agree with me, even on so simple a thing as that babies come from their parents, instead they will say that babies come from reproduction - that is the awful kind of a mindset that dwells on all kinds and manners of linguistic foolery.

And dear Loudmouth, I am not into bringing you to God, not at all.

You see, I have been to forums of atheists and forums of Christians, and I have been banned by both: the first for examining them on how they think which does not at all agree with them, that they banned me; the second for their fear that I am effecting the departure of atheists from their forums, thereby the atheists would no longer be in circumstances as to come to God, from being in a their Christian forum.

In my case, I am only examining atheists on how they think, not at all into bringing atheists to God.

And why do I care to examine how atheists think? Because they are intelligent and have higher IQ than me, so it is to my profit that I find out how they think.

And they are more learned than me, so also that is why I like to talk with them, to imbibe knowledge from them.

Okay, back to my request to you, please tell me, have you ever sought evidence by yourself at all, instead of asking evidence from people who know God exists?


Dear readers here, let us sit back to witness with bated breath how Loudmouth will tell us at all, whether he had ever sought for evidence by himself, instead of asking it from people who know God exists.

LOL. Still waiting on evidence.

 

[Radrook]

Did you even read the first sentence of your link?

What is your point?