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How to prove God exists.
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And I did not insult you.
I pointed out to you that me quoting a Bible passage is not an insult to you, and that religion has often changed its position to embrace indisputable facts shown by science. It has also tried to claim that, since a particular interpretation of the Bible can fit the facts science has shown, then the religion must be correct. This is fallacious reasoning.
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Dear everyone here: readers and atheists and Christian theists and visitors whatsoever reading this thread, and now this post from yours truly, the author of this thread, on How to prove God exists.
First, thanks for your presence, it is most encouraging to me, in particular thanks to you the atheists here, my opponents, you the atheists here in this Christian forum: for you avail me of enjoyment, with my detection of your every post here against God existing, which every post is a vacuity attempt on distraction by you from the issue itself of God existing or not.
For instance, even in the way you describe your identity as atheists, you are already into the non-sensical multiplicity of all kinds of deities whatsoever against which you are denying existence to, namely, all God, Gods, gods, goddesses, deities, divinities, etc., which is all an epistemological trick, to distract readers from the fact that you should just concentrate on the most ambitious God, namely:
“The God Who in concept is first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.”
To be constructive with your ideas instead of dwelling on vacuity, start with taking on the most ambitious God, namely, the God in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
Otherwise you are like those wannabe heroes of Kung Fu in the village bragging about their being champions over all Kung Fu fighters, but taking care to not mention the head monk of Shaolin Temple or just anyone of the monks there.*
This morning I will show you how Loudmouth has the bad habit errh trick of commenting uselessly on my texts, on non-consequential matters, but taking care to not attend to my consequential matters, like for example, what is the target of his example of DNA as evidence, but evidence to what?
He dares not come up with what is the target of his example of DNA as evidence, to wit, evidence to what?
Or worse, he pretends to attend to what is DNA evidence to, as its target, with a false reference to one post as from him, and a post from him indeed, but without any correctly PRECISE relevant connection whatsoever to the target of what is DNA evidence to, thus again into vacuity by misdirection, intending to fool readers.
Read my next post.
*For your leisure reading
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First, thanks for your presence, it is most encouraging to me, in particular thanks to you the atheists here, my opponents, you the atheists here in this Christian forum: for you avail me of enjoyment, with my detection of your every post here against God existing, which every post is a vacuity attempt on distraction by you from the issue itself of God existing or not.
For instance, even in the way you describe your identity as atheists, you are already into the non-sensical multiplicity of all kinds of deities whatsoever against which you are denying existence to, namely, all God, Gods, gods, goddesses, deities, divinities, etc., which is all an epistemological trick, to distract readers from the fact that you should just concentrate on the most ambitious God, namely:
“The God Who in concept is first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.”
To be constructive with your ideas instead of dwelling on vacuity, start with taking on the most ambitious God, namely, the God in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
Otherwise you are like those wannabe heroes of Kung Fu in the village bragging about their being champions over all Kung Fu fighters, but taking care to not mention the head monk of Shaolin Temple or just anyone of the monks there.*
This morning I will show you how Loudmouth has the bad habit errh trick of commenting uselessly on my texts, on non-consequential matters, but taking care to not attend to my consequential matters, like for example, what is the target of his example of DNA as evidence, but evidence to what?
He dares not come up with what is the target of his example of DNA as evidence, to wit, evidence to what?
Or worse, he pretends to attend to what is DNA evidence to, as its target, with a false reference to one post as from him, and a post from him indeed, but without any correctly PRECISE relevant connection whatsoever to the target of what is DNA evidence to, thus again into vacuity by misdirection, intending to fool readers.
Read my next post.
*For your leisure reading
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Nov 30, 2016 - ... a Shaolin Monk? I practised Shaolin Kung Fu in China in a Monastery called Wu Wei Si. It has been one of the best experiences in my life so far! ... You can't eat until the master (Shifu) starts eating. - You have to eat ...
Shaolin Temple: The man behind 'cradle of Kung Fu' - BBC News
www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-29561279
Oct 11, 2014 - China's ancient Shaolin Temple, famous for its Kung Fu monks, is big ... Since then I've believed that all the Shaolin monks are Kung Fu masters. Hearing that Abbot Shi was in London was too good a chance to miss - not just ...
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Mar 11, 2015 - ... lots of people to harbor misconceptions about modern-day Shaolin Temple kung fu training. ... on a number of popular beliefs that Western martial artists hold. ... Each one has only one master, who accepts him as a son.
Kung fu hustle: How to master martial arts in China - CNN.com
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May 18, 2015 - Kung fu hustle: How to master martial arts in China .... Shaolin Temple – The original hometown of Chinese martial arts, the Shaolin ..... occasions, seeing the mountain at its best during the tourism industry's low season.
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Kung Fu Training Masters - Kunyu Mountain Shaolin Kung Fu School ...
www.chineseshaolins.com/our-shaolin-masters.html
Our shaolin masters names reserved in traditional shaolin temple list. .... Yan Cheng has been a shaolin martial arts master at one of the biggest kung fu schools ...
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Psalm 144:1 Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:
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Dear readers here, I am now into the very precise focus of the present thread, how to deal with Loudmouth on the evidence of God existing, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
The way I see Loudmouth’s strategy, he is not intent on the search for truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas, by reason and intelligence and observation, in re God exists or not, but into seeking all ways and means of DISTRACTION from the issue itself, of God exists or not.
One of the ways of distraction employed by atheists is to not see the big picture, and another way is to see the big picture but not the bigger picture.
And of course, they also seek to see the wrong picture. thus fooling readers as readers usually take for granted that they are talking in relevance to the issue at hand, God exists or not, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
Now, at this point in time, I and Loudmouth are into the matter of what is the target of evidence.
You see, atheists are loud with demand for evidence of God existing, but when you search the internet for any kind of decent treatise from any atheists whomsoever who are so loud with evidence, as with one loudmouth Hitchens, waxing eloquent on What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence:
No one atheist ever in the whole history of the issue of God exists or not, on the basis of evidence, ever produced a decent treatise on what is evidence, what is the target of evidence, and how evidence hits its target.
You don’t accept my finding on no atheists write any decent treatise on evidence?
Okay, I challenge you, in particular atheists, to search for one and bring to me its internet link, or its bibliographical reference in recorded history, or at least in libraries of the world.
Now, to my challenge, that Loudmouth produce what is the target of DNA evidence which DNA is his example of evidence, he presents that guilt of the criminal is the target of his example of DNA as evidence.
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[Pachomius] From Loudmouth, no presentation of what is the target of his example of evidence, to wit: what is the target of DNA evidence, what is DNA evidence, evidence to.
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[Loudmouth] The guilt of the suspect, obviously. Why do you think they do DNA fingerprinting at crime scenes?
[…]
[End of quote]
Dear readers here, this is an example of Loudmouth’s strategy of misdirection, with bringing in guilt of the criminal, from the DNA evidence in the scene of – okay, the crime.
I will ask Loudmouth:
Dear Loudmouth, will you concur with me that DNA evidence has for its target first and foremost the existence of an entity which has for one of its components as an existing biological body, the identically same kind of DNA as is found in the scene of a – okay, crime?
In fact I will submit that DNA as an example of evidence, it has for its target the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, so also babies, stones, the sun in the day sky, the moon in the night sky, the nose in our face, etc.
Now, Loudmouth, do not go away.
Explain how you conclude to the guilt of a person from the DNA found in a – okay, scene of a crime.
Dear readers here, now you will be treated to the strategies of atheists with dwelling on vacuity to distract humans from the ultimate creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
By their deceit of not seeing the big picture, by not seeing the even bigger picture, and by seeing self-fraudulently the wrong picture, all in order to fool mankind.
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Evidence is a set of facts that are consistent with a falsifiable claim.
DNA fingerprinting is a good example. DNA found at a crime scene is tested for variations at genomic locations called short tandem repeats (STR). One person may have 4 repeats of AAGGAT while another person may have 5 repeats at that same position. If you look at one STR, half of the population may have 4 repeats while the other half of the population may have 5 repeats. If you look at 10 or so STRs you can get a DNA fingerprint for that person, a combination of STRs that only one in a few billion people should have, kind of like a social security number.
The process of sequencing each STR is completely independent of the conclusion. Also, there is a strong chance that the STR pattern won't match the suspect. There is nothing inherent in the method that biases towards the suspect.
“Evidence is anything at all, in our mind (the conceptual realm) and/or in the concrete world of everyday's things, events, people, babies, etc., you get the idea (the objectival realm), by which we humans infer to the certainty of existence of another thing."
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You need to show what that inference is in order for it to be evidence. Do you agree?
For example, investigators notice the presence of human sperm in the anus of a deceased human male subject, and they put in their notepad:
"Evidence of sex act with another human male, scil., sperm in anus."
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Why isn't evidence for God in the same way that babies and noses are?
And dear Loudmouth, please avoid going into vacuity, like that you still have not seen evidence;
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Please avoid going into vacuity, like that you still haven't read the multiple posts where I describe what evidence is.
Also, please present evidence to support your claims. Please stop with the vacuous attempts to avoid giving evidence.
“Because they know not the forces of nature, and in order that they may have comrades in their ignorance, they suffer not that others should search out anything, and would have us believe like rustics and ask no reason...But we ask in all things a reason must be sought.” --William of Conches (c. 1090 – after 1154)
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Okay, dear everyone here, I am back with a message for Loudmouth, hope he will talk with me, and I mean talk, not just exude words to no purpose, into vacuity.
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The only thing you have done thus far is exude words to no purpose, into vacuity. Hundreds of posts in and you still haven't presented evidence for the existence of God.
and if finally you have come to your own decent and clearly expounded on idea of what is evidence, what is the target of evidence, and how evidence hits its target, please do present it here, instead of pouring forth words into the vacuity of empty space.
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I already presented it in a previous post. Why do I have to keep presenting the same things over and over and over?
Evidence is a set of facts that are consistent with a falsifiable claim.
DNA fingerprinting is a good example. DNA found at a crime scene is tested for variations at genomic locations called short tandem repeats (STR). One person may have 4 repeats of AAGGAT while another person may have 5 repeats at that same position. If you look at one STR, half of the population may have 4 repeats while the other half of the population may have 5 repeats. If you look at 10 or so STRs you can get a DNA fingerprint for that person, a combination of STRs that only one in a few billion people should have, kind of like a social security number.
The process of sequencing each STR is completely independent of the conclusion. Also, there is a strong chance that the STR pattern won't match the suspect. There is nothing inherent in the method that biases towards the suspect.
“Evidence is anything at all, in our mind (the conceptual realm) and/or in the concrete world of everyday's things, events, people, babies, etc., you get the idea (the objectival realm), by which we humans infer to the certainty of existence of another thing."
Click to expand...
You need to show what that inference is in order for it to be evidence. Do you agree?
For example, investigators notice the presence of human sperm in the anus of a deceased human male subject, and they put in their notepad:
"Evidence of sex act with another human male, scil., sperm in anus."
Click to expand...
Why isn't evidence for God in the same way that babies and noses are?
And dear Loudmouth, please avoid going into vacuity, like that you still have not seen evidence;
Click to expand...
Please avoid going into vacuity, like that you still haven't read the multiple posts where I describe what evidence is.
Also, please present evidence to support your claims. Please stop with the vacuous attempts to avoid giving evidence.
“Because they know not the forces of nature, and in order that they may have comrades in their ignorance, they suffer not that others should search out anything, and would have us believe like rustics and ask no reason...But we ask in all things a reason must be sought.” --William of Conches (c. 1090 – after 1154)
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From Loudmouth, no presentation of what is the target of his example of evidence, to wit: what is the target of DNA evidence, what is DNA evidence, evidence to.
It is at that point when I asked Loudmouth, what is DNA evidence to, that he leaves off for up to two days already from putting up an appearance in this thread.
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I already filled in both blanks in post 1051:
How to prove God exists.
How many times do I have to answer the same question?
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And there lies in that final sin
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I already filled in both blanks in post 1056:
How to prove God exists.
How many times do I have to answer the same question?
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On Loudmouth’s firm conviction on the question God exists or not:
[No statement so far, for definitive inclusion in list of self-declared statements.]
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Post #1031:
My conviction is that theists don't have evidence for the existence of God. I have never seen evidence for the existence of God. Therefore, I don't believe in God. If such evidence is presented, then I will believe in the existence of God.
I am getting tired of answering the same questions over and over and over.
From Pachomius, examples of evidence: babies, the sun in the day sky, the moon in the evening sky, stones, the nose in our face, everything in our environment that we live in and move in and have our existence in, in most particular everything with a beginning.
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Your own definition of evidence said that it had to be part of an inference. Where is the inference?
From Loudmouth, no presentation of what is the target of his example of evidence, to wit: what is the target of DNA evidence, what is DNA evidence, evidence to.
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The guilt of the suspect, obviously. Why do you think they do DNA fingerprinting at crime scenes?
“Because they know not the forces of nature, and in order that they may have comrades in their ignorance, they suffer not that others should search out anything, and would have us believe like rustics and ask no reason...But we ask in all things a reason must be sought.” --William of Conches (c. 1090 – after 1154)
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The way I see Loudmouth’s strategy, he is not intent on the search for truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas, by reason and intelligence and observation, in re God exists or not, but into seeking all ways and means of DISTRACTION from the issue itself, of God exists or not.
One of the ways of distraction employed by atheists is to not see the big picture, and another way is to see the big picture but not the bigger picture.
And of course, they also seek to see the wrong picture. thus fooling readers as readers usually take for granted that they are talking in relevance to the issue at hand, God exists or not, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
Now, at this point in time, I and Loudmouth are into the matter of what is the target of evidence.
You see, atheists are loud with demand for evidence of God existing, but when you search the internet for any kind of decent treatise from any atheists whomsoever who are so loud with evidence, as with one loudmouth Hitchens, waxing eloquent on What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence:
No one atheist ever in the whole history of the issue of God exists or not, on the basis of evidence, ever produced a decent treatise on what is evidence, what is the target of evidence, and how evidence hits its target.
You don’t accept my finding on no atheists write any decent treatise on evidence?
Okay, I challenge you, in particular atheists, to search for one and bring to me its internet link, or its bibliographical reference in recorded history, or at least in libraries of the world.
Now, to my challenge, that Loudmouth produce what is the target of DNA evidence which DNA is his example of evidence, he presents that guilt of the criminal is the target of his example of DNA as evidence.
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Loudmouth, Tuesday at 6:44 AM #1056
[…]
[Pachomius] From Loudmouth, no presentation of what is the target of his example of evidence, to wit: what is the target of DNA evidence, what is DNA evidence, evidence to.
Click to expand...
[Loudmouth] The guilt of the suspect, obviously. Why do you think they do DNA fingerprinting at crime scenes?
[…]
[End of quote]
Dear readers here, this is an example of Loudmouth’s strategy of misdirection, with bringing in guilt of the criminal, from the DNA evidence in the scene of – okay, the crime.
I will ask Loudmouth:
Dear Loudmouth, will you concur with me that DNA evidence has for its target first and foremost the existence of an entity which has for one of its components as an existing biological body, the identically same kind of DNA as is found in the scene of a – okay, crime?
In fact I will submit that DNA as an example of evidence, it has for its target the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, so also babies, stones, the sun in the day sky, the moon in the night sky, the nose in our face, etc.
Now, Loudmouth, do not go away.
Explain how you conclude to the guilt of a person from the DNA found in a – okay, scene of a crime.
Dear readers here, now you will be treated to the strategies of atheists with dwelling on vacuity to distract humans from the ultimate creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
By their deceit of not seeing the big picture, by not seeing the even bigger picture, and by seeing self-fraudulently the wrong picture, all in order to fool mankind.
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· Saturday at 2:06 AM #922
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[…]
Evidence is a set of facts that are consistent with a falsifiable claim.
DNA fingerprinting is a good example. DNA found at a crime scene is tested for variations at genomic locations called short tandem repeats (STR). One person may have 4 repeats of AAGGAT while another person may have 5 repeats at that same position. If you look at one STR, half of the population may have 4 repeats while the other half of the population may have 5 repeats. If you look at 10 or so STRs you can get a DNA fingerprint for that person, a combination of STRs that only one in a few billion people should have, kind of like a social security number.
The process of sequencing each STR is completely independent of the conclusion. Also, there is a strong chance that the STR pattern won't match the suspect. There is nothing inherent in the method that biases towards the suspect.
“Evidence is anything at all, in our mind (the conceptual realm) and/or in the concrete world of everyday's things, events, people, babies, etc., you get the idea (the objectival realm), by which we humans infer to the certainty of existence of another thing."
Click to expand...
You need to show what that inference is in order for it to be evidence. Do you agree?
For example, investigators notice the presence of human sperm in the anus of a deceased human male subject, and they put in their notepad:
"Evidence of sex act with another human male, scil., sperm in anus."
Click to expand...
Why isn't evidence for God in the same way that babies and noses are?
And dear Loudmouth, please avoid going into vacuity, like that you still have not seen evidence;
Click to expand...
Please avoid going into vacuity, like that you still haven't read the multiple posts where I describe what evidence is.
Also, please present evidence to support your claims. Please stop with the vacuous attempts to avoid giving evidence.
“Because they know not the forces of nature, and in order that they may have comrades in their ignorance, they suffer not that others should search out anything, and would have us believe like rustics and ask no reason...But we ask in all things a reason must be sought.” --William of Conches (c. 1090 – after 1154)
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Okay, dear everyone here, I am back with a message for Loudmouth, hope he will talk with me, and I mean talk, not just exude words to no purpose, into vacuity.
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The only thing you have done thus far is exude words to no purpose, into vacuity. Hundreds of posts in and you still haven't presented evidence for the existence of God.
and if finally you have come to your own decent and clearly expounded on idea of what is evidence, what is the target of evidence, and how evidence hits its target, please do present it here, instead of pouring forth words into the vacuity of empty space.
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I already presented it in a previous post. Why do I have to keep presenting the same things over and over and over?
Evidence is a set of facts that are consistent with a falsifiable claim.
DNA fingerprinting is a good example. DNA found at a crime scene is tested for variations at genomic locations called short tandem repeats (STR). One person may have 4 repeats of AAGGAT while another person may have 5 repeats at that same position. If you look at one STR, half of the population may have 4 repeats while the other half of the population may have 5 repeats. If you look at 10 or so STRs you can get a DNA fingerprint for that person, a combination of STRs that only one in a few billion people should have, kind of like a social security number.
The process of sequencing each STR is completely independent of the conclusion. Also, there is a strong chance that the STR pattern won't match the suspect. There is nothing inherent in the method that biases towards the suspect.
“Evidence is anything at all, in our mind (the conceptual realm) and/or in the concrete world of everyday's things, events, people, babies, etc., you get the idea (the objectival realm), by which we humans infer to the certainty of existence of another thing."
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You need to show what that inference is in order for it to be evidence. Do you agree?
For example, investigators notice the presence of human sperm in the anus of a deceased human male subject, and they put in their notepad:
"Evidence of sex act with another human male, scil., sperm in anus."
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Why isn't evidence for God in the same way that babies and noses are?
And dear Loudmouth, please avoid going into vacuity, like that you still have not seen evidence;
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Please avoid going into vacuity, like that you still haven't read the multiple posts where I describe what evidence is.
Also, please present evidence to support your claims. Please stop with the vacuous attempts to avoid giving evidence.
“Because they know not the forces of nature, and in order that they may have comrades in their ignorance, they suffer not that others should search out anything, and would have us believe like rustics and ask no reason...But we ask in all things a reason must be sought.” --William of Conches (c. 1090 – after 1154)
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From Loudmouth, no presentation of what is the target of his example of evidence, to wit: what is the target of DNA evidence, what is DNA evidence, evidence to.
It is at that point when I asked Loudmouth, what is DNA evidence to, that he leaves off for up to two days already from putting up an appearance in this thread.
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I already filled in both blanks in post 1051:
How to prove God exists.
How many times do I have to answer the same question?
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-_- Loudmouth labelled himself as "agnostic", so it should be obvious that he doesn't believe in deities.
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That man should think himself so high
To know completely god's every whim
And reach above to grasp the sky
But all they shall hold is empty air
The knowledge of god they shall not reach
God did not put heaven there
For those who don't practice what they preach
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I already filled in both blanks in post 1056:
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Pachomius said: ↑
On Loudmouth’s firm conviction on the question God exists or not:
[No statement so far, for definitive inclusion in list of self-declared statements.]
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My conviction is that theists don't have evidence for the existence of God. I have never seen evidence for the existence of God. Therefore, I don't believe in God. If such evidence is presented, then I will believe in the existence of God.
I am getting tired of answering the same questions over and over and over.
From Pachomius, examples of evidence: babies, the sun in the day sky, the moon in the evening sky, stones, the nose in our face, everything in our environment that we live in and move in and have our existence in, in most particular everything with a beginning.
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Your own definition of evidence said that it had to be part of an inference. Where is the inference?
From Loudmouth, no presentation of what is the target of his example of evidence, to wit: what is the target of DNA evidence, what is DNA evidence, evidence to.
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The guilt of the suspect, obviously. Why do you think they do DNA fingerprinting at crime scenes?
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That's exactly what I have already said.
How is DNA evidence for this claim?
I already explained that.
Evidence is a set of facts that are consistent with a falsifiable claim.
DNA fingerprinting is a good example. DNA found at a crime scene is tested for variations at genomic locations called short tandem repeats (STR). One person may have 4 repeats of AAGGAT while another person may have 5 repeats at that same position. If you look at one STR, half of the population may have 4 repeats while the other half of the population may have 5 repeats. If you look at 10 or so STRs you can get a DNA fingerprint for that person, a combination of STRs that only one in a few billion people should have, kind of like a social security number.
The process of sequencing each STR is completely independent of the conclusion. Also, there is a strong chance that the STR pattern won't match the suspect. There is nothing inherent in the method that biases towards the suspect.
Can you please present some evidence now?
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A single, individual book that can be read by anyone, even the illiterate, and they all get the same message out of it is what I typically use as my "example of a miracle or sign of god that I would view as convincing". I don't even care what the contents of the book are, it could be a cook book for all I care, it would count so long as this individual book could be read by literally anyone and they would get the same message out of it. So there, maybe respond to what I have to say this time?
I could come up with more examples, if you want.
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That would have to be a pretty short book. How about a two word book with the contents:
Unconditional Love
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That would have to be a pretty short book. How about a two word book with the contents:
Unconditional Love
A book with just those two words would not count as evidence for a God.
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