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How to prove God exists.

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So far two atheists have responded to my request to think as to show the use of reason and intelligence.

Yes, babies are evidence of a man and a woman having sex and thus the woman gives birth to a baby.

Now, please be intelligent, go further to the parents of these two persons, they were babies also once: as you are intelligent and thus curious, ask yourselves where they the parents come from?

If you have followed my contributions to these threads, you will know that I have used exactly this argument to demonstrate the necessity of evolution. All of us had parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, etc., in an unbroken chain of ancestors that extends indefinitely far back into the past. However, there are no fossil humans in Miocene rocks, therefore our Miocene ancestors were not human, and therefore we have evolved from non-human Miocene and earlier ancestors.

In view of this argument, which appears to me to be irrefutable, I should like to know your explanation for the absence of Miocene and earlier fossil humans. I am assuming that you do not accept the reality of evolution.
 
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Dear readers here, this morning I will again talk about evidence, because I find it namely evidence to be a valid explanation from atheists, on why they insist that God does not exist, scil. because there is no evidence for Him existing.

Not a single atheist in this thread has made the claim that god doesn't exist.
In fact, we've been going out of our way to explain to you that atheism doesn't include that claim - or any other claim for that matter.

Atheism is a responsive position on a single issue.
It is not a claim. If anything, it is a response to a specific claim.
It doesn't tell you what a person believes. It tells you what a person does NOT believe.

Let us sit back and see if atheists will join us but without any nonsense of their horror chamber of unreason and unintelligence, in our consideration of what is evidence, what is the target of evidence, and how evidence hits its target.

Now, dear readers here, track carefully and continuously how atheists will now as usual go into irrelevancies and nonsense talk, as I will and we will engage them in tackling the matter of evidence, which lack of they explain why they choose to not at least use their God-endowed reason and IQ intelligence to study the evidence which for them does not exist.

Atheists will and must study the evidence which for them does not exist?

Yes, because they claim there is no evidence for God existing, that means definitively that they do have some ideas of evidence at all, the absence of which in reality gives them the ground to explain why they choose to not at all use their God-endowed reason and their IQ intelligence to examine the issue of God existing or not.

Do you dear readers get what I am trying to tell you, namely, as atheists have only one ground why they do not accept the existence of God, namely, that there is no evidence for God existing, that requires that they do have some pieces of evidence in concepts inside their brain or mind, i.e. in their conceptual realm, which are crucially the presence of which that is, namely, presence of in the objectival realm of existence outside their brain or mind, determinative of their choice for no God existing.

Let us then ask them atheists who allege that there is no evidence for God existing:

Here's a hint for making your posts a little more attractive an interesting: stop with all the irrelevant and condescending paragraphes, and just get to your point.

Atheists, tell us what are some concrete pieces of evidence which are not present, by which lack of their presence, you ground yourselves on, as to choose to deny God existing.

You are making the claim that a god exists. Meet your own burden of proof.
Give us whatever you have that you consider supportive evidence. Just cut right to the chase and just give us what you consider to be the BEST piece of evidence.

I can't tell you what evidence would convince me. Especially not in this case, since your god seems to be carefully defined in such a way that no rational verifiable evidence could even exist.

As it stands, your claims lacks the required specifics in order for us to tell you what we would consider rational evidence.

Consider the flood story. There's a tale with enough specifics so that we could tell you what would convince us. For example, if the tale is true, I'ld expect to find a global flood layer in the geological column as well as a universal genetic bottleneck in all extant life, both dating to roughly the same period which can be corrolated with the tale. Off course, such data does not exist, so we can safely discard this tale.

It's just an illustration of how evidence works.
You need to make a testable claim, before we can tell you what would convince us.

But all this is rather irrelevant if you are of the opinion that you already have the required evidence, which you seem to be thinking. So in that case, just cut to the chase and share this evidence already, and explain how it supports your beliefs.

Is that a reasonable and intelligent request on them atheists, that they state what pieces of evidence are not available, by which absence of, they atheists feel so smug that they have arrived at emotional conviction, there is no God?

No, it's not reasonable.

Let me illustrate further.
Let's say that I claim that "Gobblydock" exists. Gobblydock is an undetectable pink dragon that will consume your sould if you don't worship it.

Please tell me what evidence would convince you that Gobblydock exists.
See? When I make that claim, it's not upto you to detail it and explain how it could be tested. That would be MY job. And if I fail to do so, then you have exactly zero reason to believe my claim about Gobblydock.



So.... to concluse....

If you claim to have evidence, then just share it.
And then we can discuss it.
 
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....there are no fossil humans in Miocene rocks, therefore our Miocene ancestors were not human,....
Absence of evidence of human existence at any given point in geological history simply means that humans were absent during that time. Any other conclusion is based on presuppositions.
 
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Absence of evidence of human existence at any given point in geological history simply means that humans were absent during that time. Any other conclusion is based on presuppositions.

Right, right...

All the fossils we do find, just happen to be exactly what we would expect to find if evolution occured.

It's not just human fossils you know. It's all fossils.

But hey, go ahead and search for a fossil in the wrong layer. Good luck.
I hope you find one. Not counting on it though.
 
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No, I do not. I don't believe any such natural phenomena exist. Further, I think it blasphemous to try to "prove" the existence of God with science.
 
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To be scientific, it must be falsifiable.

Gah! Absolutely, positively, false!

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Modern physics stretches into realms far removed from everyday experience, and sometimes the connection to experiment becomes tenuous at best. String theory and other approaches to quantum gravity involve phenomena that are likely to manifest themselves only at energies enormously higher than anything we have access to here on Earth. The cosmological multiverse and the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics posit other realms that are impossible for us to access directly. Some scientists, leaning on Popper, have suggested that these theories are non-scientific because they are not falsifiable.

The truth is the opposite. Whether or not we can observe them directly, the entities involved in these theories are either real or they are not. Refusing to contemplate their possible existence on the grounds of some a priori principle, even though they might play a crucial role in how the world works, is as non-scientific as it gets.

Emphasis mine.
 
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Which exactly are those unfalsifiable scientific hypotheses?

M-theory (string theory)
QM definitions of gravity (graviton carrier particle)
"Space expansion causes photon redshift"
Exotic forms of matter (cold dark matter theory)
Inflation theory
LCMD

Almost every hypothetical process/energy/matter one might postulate ends up being unfalsifiable sooner or later. While we might be able to falsify a *specific* mathematical model of 'dark matter', it's impossible to prove a negative, and therefore it's impossible to falsify the entire concept. The best I could hope to do is round up evidence that undermines the entire basis for the idea, but I can already/even do that, and it still has no effect on those who "hold belief" in the concept.
 
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Dear readers and atheists here, thanks for your presence.

And to atheists for your reactions to my post on evidence and the absence of with God, which absence is availed of by you, Oh atheists, to feel so smug that there is no God.

This morning I suddenly came to the idea that I should google these two entries, namely:

Christians and paradoxes
atheists and paradoxes

to see what google would come up with, in regard to the quantity of hits on the one as on the other. [ See Annex 1 and Annex 2. ]

On Christians and paradoxes, the number of hits is “About 364,000 results (0.35 seconds).”
On atheists and paradoxes, the number of hits is “About 2,400,000 results (0.51 seconds).”

Happy reading, everyone!

_______________________

Annex 1
Google: Christians and paradoxes

About 364,000 results (0.35 seconds)
Search Results
The Paradoxes of Christianity | RobertJMorgan.com
www.robertjmorgan.com/devotional/the-paradoxes-of-christianity/
Paradoxes have been called the “atoms of philosophy.” In the same way, paradoxes are the particles of theology. The Bible is the ultimate sourcebook for the ...
Is Christianity a paradox? - Cru
https://www.cru.org/train-and...christian.../is-christianity-a-paradox.html
Dec 17, 2014 - Christianity is different than all other religions. Salvation comes through God's grace through faith so no man can boast. Christianity is full of ...
Christianity and Paradox - New Rambler Review
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Luther Zeigler reviews "True Paradox" by David Skeel. The New Rambler Review is an online review of books edited by Eric Posner, Adrian Vermeule and ...
Christian Paradoxes - Sermon Central
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Feb 15, 2002 - CHRISTIAN PARADOXES. A paradox is a statement that doesn't seem to make sense; but when understood, makes a lot of sense. In fact, a ...
Paradoxes of Christianity and Islam - Eureka Street
Paradoxes of Christianity and Islam - Eureka Street
Jun 25, 2009 - Herman Roborgh compares the paradoxes that appear in the scriptures of both Islam and Christianity.
The Paradoxes of Christianity
mupfc.marshall.edu/~cole8/Sermons/Pdxxian.htm
I. The word "paradox" is defined as "A seemingly contradictory statement that may nonetheless be ... A. Today we want to look at "The Paradoxes of Christianity.
The Paradoxes of Christianity | Catholic Answers
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May 23, 2016 - Al sane men can see that sanity is some kind of equilibrium; that one may be mad and eat too much, or mad and eat too little. Some moderns ...
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The true Christian life is so uniquely different from the life of the natural man that its characteristics must often be expressed in terms of paradoxical contrasts.
Every Christian's Paradox | RELEVANT Magazine
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Mar 18, 2013 - Tullian Tchividjian on the clashing identity of Christians as both ... but behind it lies a paradox that every Christian must come face to face with.
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...This morning I suddenly came to the idea that I should google these two entries, namely:

Christians and paradoxes
atheists and paradoxes

to see what google would come up with, in regard to the quantity of hits on the one as on the other.
... <blah>..
Ah, the OP is reduced to derailing his own thread (with another pointless screed).
 
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Oh atheists, to feel so smug that there is no God.

No atheist in this discussion has said that there is no God. How many times do we need to repeat this?

This morning I suddenly came to the idea that I should google these two entries, namely:

What you should do is start posting evidence for the existence of God since that is what you promised you would do.
 
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Dear readers and atheists here, thanks for your presence.

And to atheists for your reactions to my post on evidence and the absence of with God, which absence is availed of by you, Oh atheists, to feel so smug that there is no God.

This morning I suddenly came to the idea that I should google these two entries, namely:

Christians and paradoxes
atheists and paradoxes

to see what google would come up with, in regard to the quantity of hits on the one as on the other. [ See Annex 1 and Annex 2. ]

On Christians and paradoxes, the number of hits is “About 364,000 results (0.35 seconds).”
On atheists and paradoxes, the number of hits is “About 2,400,000 results (0.51 seconds).”

Happy reading, everyone!

_______________________

Annex 1
Google: Christians and paradoxes

About 364,000 results (0.35 seconds)
Search Results
The Paradoxes of Christianity | RobertJMorgan.com
www.robertjmorgan.com/devotional/the-paradoxes-of-christianity/
Paradoxes have been called the “atoms of philosophy.” In the same way, paradoxes are the particles of theology. The Bible is the ultimate sourcebook for the ...
Is Christianity a paradox? - Cru
https://www.cru.org/train-and...christian.../is-christianity-a-paradox.html
Dec 17, 2014 - Christianity is different than all other religions. Salvation comes through God's grace through faith so no man can boast. Christianity is full of ...
Christianity and Paradox - New Rambler Review
newramblerreview.com/book-reviews/religion/christianity-and-paradox
Luther Zeigler reviews "True Paradox" by David Skeel. The New Rambler Review is an online review of books edited by Eric Posner, Adrian Vermeule and ...
Christian Paradoxes - Sermon Central
www.sermoncentral.com/.../christian-paradoxes-george-durham-sermon-...
Feb 15, 2002 - CHRISTIAN PARADOXES. A paradox is a statement that doesn't seem to make sense; but when understood, makes a lot of sense. In fact, a ...
Paradoxes of Christianity and Islam - Eureka Street
Paradoxes of Christianity and Islam - Eureka Street
Jun 25, 2009 - Herman Roborgh compares the paradoxes that appear in the scriptures of both Islam and Christianity.
The Paradoxes of Christianity
mupfc.marshall.edu/~cole8/Sermons/Pdxxian.htm
I. The word "paradox" is defined as "A seemingly contradictory statement that may nonetheless be ... A. Today we want to look at "The Paradoxes of Christianity.
The Paradoxes of Christianity | Catholic Answers
www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/the-paradoxes-of-christianity
May 23, 2016 - Al sane men can see that sanity is some kind of equilibrium; that one may be mad and eat too much, or mad and eat too little. Some moderns ...
Paradoxes Of The Christian Life | The Institute for Creation Research
www.icr.org/article/paradoxes-christian-life/
The true Christian life is so uniquely different from the life of the natural man that its characteristics must often be expressed in terms of paradoxical contrasts.
Every Christian's Paradox | RELEVANT Magazine
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Mar 18, 2013 - Tullian Tchividjian on the clashing identity of Christians as both ... but behind it lies a paradox that every Christian must come face to face with.
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Annex 2
Google: atheists and paradoxes


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The problem of evil and some varieties of atheism - ‎Rowe - Cited by 68
The problem of evil and some varieties of atheism - ‎Rowe - Cited by 274
… difference: democratic negotiations of political paradox - ‎Connolly - Cited by 2086
Search Results
Three Paradoxes of Atheism - Neil Shenvi
www.shenvi.org/Essays/ThreeParadoxes.htm
I'll work out these paradoxes in three areas: truth-seeking, moral reflection, and moral motivation. ... One of the most interesting paradoxes inherent to atheism involves the intrinsic value of truth-seeking. ... Most atheistic theories of morality appeal to human flourishing as the ...
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I don't know what a bunch of paradoxes within christianity do to help your argument....but if you're still interested in evidence that god doesn't exist, I have it.

I don't like sharing it, because people tend to put me up on a pedestal and stand in awe of me...and I just want to be treated like any other regular human being. I'm not "normal" however, I've developed an incredible sixth sight that enables me to see anywhere in the entire universe...

It also allows me to see everything...everything physical, everything energy, everything cognitive (like thoughts) and even spiritual things like souls (here's a shocker...babies don't have souls until they're about 2.5 years old!).

So there you have it...I've looked everywhere and there's no god. I know that seems like it would take a really long time, but I'm able to do it very quickly.

There's no god anywhere...I've looked everywhere...that's my evidence.
 
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So there you have it...I've looked everywhere and there's no god. I know that seems like it would take a really long time, but I'm able to do it very quickly.
Maybe you should give you cell phone number to John Walsh, eh?
 
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Maybe you should give you cell phone number to John Walsh, eh?

I've seen his thoughts and surprisingly, he's not nearly as interested in finding those people as he lets on.

Besides, I don't want to be famous or worshipped or have people coming to me every time they lose their t.v. remote.
 
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Besides, I don't want to be famous or worshipped or have people coming to me every time they lose their t.v. remote.
Do you use a silver cord when you astral project?
 
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