How to kill Palestinians

Servant222 · Oct 11, 2007

thereselittleflower said:
And what does that make the Jews who support the Terrorist activities of the zionists both pre and post the birth of the State of Israel, which institutionalized the xzionist terror gangs into the IDF?

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I would suggest that you have a different view of history than me- I see Israel as the victim, always trying to defend itself from aggressors who have resorted to any heinous means possible to try and achieve their diabolical ends.

The Munich Olympic massacre, the Jerusalem suicide bombings, the Achille Laurel hijacking, where Abu Abass pushed an elderly wheelchair-bound passenger off the ship to his death, are typical examples of what these sub-humans are willing to do.

There is no doubt in my mind that if these anarchists could, they would think nothing of setting off a nuclear bomb in the middle of Tel Aviv.

It is so laughable that after being totally defeated in the 1967 war that they helped start, the Palestinians are now demanding that Israel withdraw to its pre-1967 borders.

GorrionGris · Oct 11, 2007

Servant222 said:
I would suggest that you have a different view of history than me- I see Israel as the victim, always trying to defend itself from aggressors who have resorted to any heinous means possible to try and achieve their diabolical ends.

The Munich Olympic massacre, the Jerusalem suicide bombings, the Achille Laurel hijacking, where Abu Abass pushed an elderly wheelchair-bound passenger off the ship to his death, are typical examples of what these sub-humans are willing to do.

There is no doubt in my mind that if these anarchists could, they would think nothing of setting off a nuclear bomb in the middle of Tel Aviv.

It is so laughable that after being totally defeated in the 1967 war that they helped start, the Palestinians are now demanding that Israel withdraw to its pre-1967 borders.

That is an one sided view of the question; there are many to blame on both sides; alas that is the nature of war.

thereselittleflower · Oct 11, 2007

Tanakh said:
The word olam means in the future or far distance as the verse actually reads:

Deuteronomy 15:17 "then you shall take the awl and put it through his ear and the door, and he shall be for you an eternal slave; even to your maidservants shall you do the same."

Obviously the verse means forever in the life of the slave as no man lives forever. So I don't see what you were getting at. Yea forever is an English word and olam is a Hebrew word meaning in the distance or future but not never ending as in for all time so I don't get the point you were trying to make.

The point I am making is that this "forever" COMES TO AN END!

Thank you for helping me make this point.

And so, the "forever" of the promise of the land also COMES TO AN END, and did come to an end. There is no more promise. The AGE of the promise is over. Done. Finished, just as the age of the servant's life comes to an end, over, done, finished.

Again, thank you.

In regards to the 1929 killings in Hebron; so are you saying that because we Jews built a barrier at the Kotel that this gave the arabs a reason to kill. When a Rabbi tried to protect several Yeshiva students the arabs demanded, they killed him simply because he did not comply with their demands. So lets get the facts here. We did not provoke the Muslims as they provoked us.

No . . . the Iron Wall is not primarily a physical wall, though the wall now being built in Israel/Palestine is a part of the Iron Wall policy.

If you will more carefully read what I have said, you will see that I have already explained why. The treatment of the Arab Palestinians by the zionist settler Jews, as early as the 1800's has created an environment as called for by the Iron Wall, designed to instigate such responses from the Palestinians.

You cannot deny the Iron Wall, or its use to advance th goal of the salvation/redemption of the land of Eretz Israel.

This is the Zionist agenda . . . .

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thereselittleflower · Oct 11, 2007

Servant222 said:
I would suggest that you have a different view of history than me- I see Israel as the victim, always trying to defend itself from aggressors who have resorted to any heinous means possible to try and achieve their diabolical ends.

Of course; that is what Israel wants you to see and think and feel. . . It doesn't want you to know about its attrocities towards the arabs first, how it has been the aggressor all along, the bully on the playground, the one instigating all for its own purposes and goals . . .

The policies of the Iron Wall and the Salvation/Redemption of the Land of Eretz Israel and how the Iron Wall is designed to achieve just that should tell you that there is something fundamentally wrong with whawt you think and "see".

That the Zionist Terror Gangs became the IDF simply means their terror tactics became codified into the military arm of the Zionist Govermnet of Israel .. . they continue under the guise of legitimacy of the Israeli government. .

Yet, you don't see this because this is not what is presented to you in the propaganda you do see. That is by design. You have to dig deep into history of this matter to find what I have been sharing with you.

The propaganda is easier to believe because it is all around you. . . . the turth is something else entirely.

The Munich Olympic massacre, the Jerusalem suicide bombings, the Achille Laurel hijacking, where Abu Abass pushed an elderly wheelchair-bound passenger off the ship to his death, are typical examples of what these sub-humans are willing to do.

"sub humans?" Defamation, Demonization. . .

And yet you totally ignore the same tactics from the Zionists Jews for over 100 years. You ignore the USS Liberty. You ignore the ethnicide and ethinic cleansing of the Palestinains that has been continuing unabated both from before and after Israel became a nation.

Would you dare call the Jewish terrorists that have done these things "sub human"?

Somehow, I don't think so, and so we see your extreme bias and prejudice against a people, a race . . . . that extreme bias and prejudice against a race has a name. . . . .

There is no doubt in my mind that if these anarchists could, they would think nothing of setting off a nuclear bomb in the middle of Tel Aviv.

And Israel has stated it would have no misgivings of setting off a nuclear holocaust, taking out the middle east with them if they "thought" they might be overun. Israel is the one with 200 nukes trained on major middle eastern cities and who knows where else. And that's not everything they have.

I am sorry, but your entire concept of what is going on over there is so distorted, it has little to do with the reality on the ground.

It is so laughable that after being totally defeated in the 1967 war that they helped start, the Palestinians are now demanding that Israel withdraw to its pre-1967 borders.

Excues me? Israel started that war. Israel made the first strike. This was Israel's war from start to finish to effect one of Zionism's principle goals . . . THE SALVATION/REDEMPTION OF THE LAND OF ERETZ ISRAEL!

Why did Israel try to deliberately sink the USS Liberty, the most advanced spy ship in the world, during the Six Day War?

Watch the BBC documentary "DEAD IN THE WATER" for starters . . . . .

http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=bbc+dead+in+the+water&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv

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thereselittleflower · Oct 11, 2007

Tanakh said:
How do we know ones mother is catholic, protestant or Hindu? We know because we Jews can trace our lineage back to the original tribes.

Prove it!

Prove that you Jews can trace your lineage back to the original tribes!

NO Jew can do so today!

I await your proof!

EVERYTHING you have claimed hinges first of all on this proof!

Again, I await your proof!

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Servant222 · Oct 11, 2007

Anyone who pushes an old man in a wheelchair off a boat into the ocean is not fit to be a member of the human race; is sub-human. Anyone who walks onto a bus and blows himself up and kills and maims innocent men, women and children is sub-human, not entitled to be a member of the human race.

I can't imagine the wrath that God will throw on such terrorists; they are soldiers of satan.

GorrionGris · Oct 11, 2007

Servant222 said:
Anyone who pushes an old man in a wheelchair off a boat into the ocean is not fit to be a member of the human race; is sub-human. Anyone who walks onto a bus and blows himself up and kills and maims innocent men, women and children is sub-human, not entitled to be a member of the human race.

I can't imagine the wrath that God will throw on such terrorisits; they are soldiers of satan.

As my teacher in Penal Law once told me, "believe it or not they are humans; that's how we are."

(In Spanish, of course).

Micah68 · Oct 11, 2007

There are those who seek truth and those who refuse truth, I fear these two are the later.

Quote from Israel's own renowned historian Ilan Pappe

"I was born in Israel and I had a very conventional, typical Israeli education, and life, until I finished my B.A. studies at Hebrew University, which was many years ago in the mid-1970s. Like all Israeli Jews, I knew very little on the Palestinian side, and met very few Palestinians. And although I was a very keen student of history, already in high-school; I knew I would be a historian; I was very loyal to the narrative that I was taught in school. I had very little doubt that what my teachers taught me in school was the only truth about the past.
My life was changed, in a way; definitely my professional life, but after that also my private and public life when I decided to leave Israel and do my doctoral dissertation outside the country. Because when you go out, you see things that you would find very difficult to see from within."

The History of Israel Reconsidered: A Talk by Ilan Pappe

Yes I would like proof on that DNA also, Two such site that do the testing

The Gynographic Project

http://www.cdc.gov/genomics/population/publications/dna.htm

Also is there anything that renders this bloodline null and void? Meaning, from my understanding, you think you are entitled to 'the land' based on your bloodline.

Servant222 · Oct 11, 2007

I have no doubt that the God that the Israelites worship is the same God that I worship. Our God does not allow murder and the other heinous crimes committed by some of the Palestinians.

As Gorriongris has pointed out, our God is a God of love, who has commanded us to love Him and love one another, not murder indiscriminately.

Indeed, those who profess to follow that God have also at times committed acts contrary to His word- but there is a huge difference between someone who turns away from God and sins, knowing that it is contrary to His word, and someone who believes that "god" is on their side, ordering them to kill and maim.

Terrorists may call their leader "god", the rest of us call him satan. So you need to look at people committing these terrorist acts and ask yourself: by their actions, where do they get their marching orders from; who really is their leader?

GorrionGris · Oct 11, 2007

...and that Jesus died even for Abu Abbas...

I think that the way to deal with sinners is the one depicted at the book of Jonah. (and no, I don't mean throwing Jonah out of the ship but to convert them)

Servant222 · Oct 11, 2007

I think it's also necessary to ask: where does someone who supports these terrorists and justifies their actions get their marching orders from? Those who follow God may at times be misled, but they can never, ever justify terrorist acts and the lying and other sins that people who support such actions engage in.

Certainly as Christians, we need to confront evil and those who support evil deeds and not be afraid to say "that is contrary to the Bible and God's will."; we cannot allow satan to fool us into believing that such acts are somehow justified.

Servant222 · Oct 11, 2007

GorrionGris said:
...and that Jesus died even for Abu Abbas...

I think that the way to deal with sinners is the one depicted at the book of Jonah. (and no, I don't mean throwing Jonah out of the ship but to convert them)

And I'm sure that now that Abu Abass is face to face with God, he knows the evil of his ways; he knows that he was misled by the devil.

So indeed, we should always try and convince the Palestinians who support terrorist acts to examine what they are doing, and turn away from evil, and accept the foregiveness that can only come through Jesus Christ.

Micah68 · Oct 11, 2007

Servant222 said:
I have no doubt that the God that the Israelites worship is the same God that I worship. Our God does not allow murder and the other heinous crimes committed by some of the Palestinians.

As Gorriongris has pointed out, our God is a God of love, who has commanded us to love Him and love one another, not murder indiscriminately.

Indeed, those who profess to follow that God have also at times committed acts contrary to His word- but there is a huge difference between someone who turns away from God and sins, knowing that it is contrary to His word, and someone who believes that "god" is on their side, ordering them to kill and maim.

Terrorists may call their leader "god", the rest of us call him satan. So you need to look at people committing these terrorist acts and ask yourself: by their actions, where do they get their marching orders from; who really is their leader?

Yes terrorism of any kind by anyone goes against God's teaching. Below is what a quick seach of Israeli terroism turns up.

A Jewish extremist killed four Israeli Arabs and wounded at least ten others on a passenger bus in the Israeli Arab town of Shfaram.

Eden Natan Zada, 19, who was dressed in an Israel Defense Forces uniform when he opened fire on the bus on August 4, has been described by authorities as an Israeli army deserter from the West Bank settlement of Tapuah.

Zaada, who was beaten to death by a mob after the shooting, reportedly had become a follower of the outlawed ultranationalist Kach movement and was angry about Israels plans to dismantle Jewish settlements.

Israels Prime Minister Ariel Sharon condemned the gunman as a bloodthirsty terrorist who sought to attack innocent Israeli citizens. Extreme religious nationalists have opposed the Prime Ministers Gaza plan, which is scheduled to dismantle over 20 settlements in the area.

Police reportedly have arrested three people in Tapuach who may have known of Zadas plan to kill Arabs.

The shooting is the worst attack by a Jewish radical since Baruch Goldstein, an American-born settler, killed 29 Palestinians praying in a Hebron mosque in 1994.
http://www.adl.org/main_Terrorism/jewish_terrorist_80805.htm

Servant222 · Oct 11, 2007

I agree- except this wasn't Israeli terrorism, as you state, but the actions of one misguided fanatic who was a known troublemaker and army deserter.

You failed to mention that Zada was subsequently beaten to death by the Arab mob that descended on the scene after the attack- that matter is still being investigated with the Palestinians claiming that Zada's murderers should not be held accountable and charged.

You also failed to mention that the action was widely condemned by the Israeli government after the 2005 attack- do you think the Palestinian authorities would have done the same if the roles had been reversed?

GorrionGris · Oct 11, 2007

Servant222 said:
I agree- except this wasn't Israeli terrorism, as you state, but the actions of one misguided fanatic who was a known troublemaker and army deserter.

You failed to mention that Zada was subsequently beaten to death by the Arab mob that descended on the scene after the attack- that matter is still being investigated with the Palestinians claiming that Zada's murderers should not be held accountable and charged.

You also failed to mention that the action was widely condemned by the Israeli government after the 2005 attack- do you think the Palestinian authorities would have done the same if the roles had been reversed?

No she did not fail to mention that.

thereselittleflower · Oct 11, 2007

Servant222 said:
Anyone who pushes an old man in a wheelchair off a boat into the ocean is not fit to be a member of the human race; is sub-human. Anyone who walks onto a bus and blows himself up and kills and maims innocent men, women and children is sub-human, not entitled to be a member of the human race.

I can't imagine the wrath that God will throw on such terrorists; they are soldiers of satan.

And so what about the Zionist Jewish terrorists who did and do similar things, and worse?

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thereselittleflower · Oct 11, 2007

Micah68 said:
There are those who seek truth and those who refuse truth, I fear these two are the later.

Quote from Israel's own renowned historian Ilan Pappe

"I was born in Israel and I had a very conventional, typical Israeli education, and life, until I finished my B.A. studies at Hebrew University, which was many years ago in the mid-1970s. Like all Israeli Jews, I knew very little on the Palestinian side, and met very few Palestinians. And although I was a very keen student of history, already in high-school; I knew I would be a historian; I was very loyal to the narrative that I was taught in school. I had very little doubt that what my teachers taught me in school was the only truth about the past.
My life was changed, in a way; definitely my professional life, but after that also my private and public life when I decided to leave Israel and do my doctoral dissertation outside the country. Because when you go out, you see things that you would find very difficult to see from within."

The History of Israel Reconsidered: A Talk by Ilan Pappe

Yes I would like proof on that DNA also, Two such site that do the testing

The Gynographic Project

http://www.cdc.gov/genomics/population/publications/dna.htm

Also is there anything that renders this bloodline null and void? Meaning, from my understanding, you think you are entitled to 'the land' based on your bloodline.

What bloodline? The Ashkenazi Jews are descended from european converts. . . . .

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thereselittleflower · Oct 11, 2007

Servant222 said:
I have no doubt that the God that the Israelites worship is the same God that I worship. Our God does not allow murder and the other heinous crimes committed by some of the Palestinians.

So what about the murder and other heinous crimes committed by some of the Zionist Jews?

Is it because they worship the same God that you worship that you look the other way when it comes to Zionist terrorism against the Palestinians that has been going on for over100 years?

As Gorriongris has pointed out, our God is a God of love, who has commanded us to love Him and love one another, not murder indiscriminately.

Then why aren't you taking any issue with the Zionist terrorists that have been murdering Palestinians, etc for so long?

Why are your denouncements so one sided? Why are your denouncements so loud against the victims but we hear nothing against the perpetrators?

Indeed, those who profess to follow that God have also at times committed acts contrary to His word- but there is a huge difference between someone who turns away from God and sins, knowing that it is contrary to His word, and someone who believes that "god" is on their side, ordering them to kill and maim.

I am sorry but you are ignoring evidence even in this thread of Zionist Jews who believe that God is on their side and that violence against others is God's command and their right. - one here has even called repeatedly for the liquidation of all Palestinians, etc. . . .

why don't we hear outcries against the Jews who believe and act this way?

Terrorists may call their leader "god", the rest of us call him satan. So you need to look at people committing these terrorist acts and ask yourself: by their actions, where do they get their marching orders from; who really is their leader?

So what does that make the god of Zionist Jewish terrorists?

Is their brand of terror OK because you believe they believe in the same God you do?

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thereselittleflower · Oct 11, 2007

Servant222 said:
I think it's also necessary to ask: where does someone who supports these terrorists and justifies their actions get their marching orders from? Those who follow God may at times be misled, but they can never, ever justify terrorist acts and the lying and other sins that people who support such actions engage in.

Then why are you supporting the state of Israel which is guilty of many terror crimes and human rights violations?

Where do you get your marching orders to support such a regime?

Certainly as Christians, we need to confront evil and those who support evil deeds and not be afraid to say "that is contrary to the Bible and God's will."; we cannot allow satan to fool us into believing that such acts are somehow justified.

Then why do we not see you confronting the evil deeds and actions and policies of the State of Israel and Zionist terrorism perpetrated by it?

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thereselittleflower · Oct 11, 2007

Servant222 said:
And I'm sure that now that Abu Abass is face to face with God, he knows the evil of his ways; he knows that he was misled by the devil.

So indeed, we should always try and convince the Palestinians who support terrorist acts to examine what they are doing, and turn away from evil, and accept the foregiveness that can only come through Jesus Christ.

What about the other half of the equation? What about the Zionist terrorism directed at the Palestinians with the intent of giving them only one option, to fight back, according to Zionism's Iron Wall policy?

What about Zionism's Salvation/Redemption of the Land ideology driving Israeli policy with the goal of dispossessing palestinains of their land and the use of terrorism to do so?

Why do look the other way when it comes to zionist/Israeli terrorism perpetuated against the Palestinains?

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