How to combat racism

[JustOneWay]

The poster I was responding to referenced "the shooting in Ferguson".

I can see that. What I see is that you ignored the portion of the post (bolded) and only discussed one incident which happened to be the straw which broke the camels back. You completely ignored the main point of the post you quoted.

The shooting in Ferguson was just the tip of the iceberg of the kind of abuse of the black community that was going on there.

 

[Vylo]

When it (racism) actually occurs.

So it was pretty much justified in 99% of the stories that have come out. Check.

 

[nightflight]

So it was pretty much justified in 99% of the stories that have come out. Check.

I would never assume. In fact, that's the problem.

 

[nightflight]

I would never assume. In fact, that's (assuming) the problem.

 

[nightflight]

I can see that. What I see is that you ignored the portion of the post (bolded) and only discussed one incident which happened to be the straw which broke the camels back. You completely ignored the main point of the post you quoted.

I responded to a particular point. He said "the shooting in Ferguson" was the "tip of the iceberg".

No, it wasn't. We all know that. The shooting wasn't "abuse". It was self-defense.

We all know that.

 

[JustOneWay]

I responded to a particular point. He said "the shooting in Ferguson" was the "tip of the iceberg".

No, it wasn't. We all know that. The shooting wasn't "abuse". It was self-defense.

We all know that.

It was the tip of the iceberg, and the DOJ report I posted explained this. Too bad you ignored my post where I already explained.

 

[nightflight]

It was the tip of the iceberg, and the DOJ report I posted explained this. Too bad you ignored my post where I already explained.

The shooting was self-defense. To say it was the tip of the iceberg is to say "the self-defense shooting was the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Vylo]

The shooting was self-defense. To say it was the tip of the iceberg is to say "the self-defense shooting was the tip of the iceberg.

No, the shooting was the tip of the iceberg not the self defense shooting. We don't have it confirmed that it was self-defense, just the words of the cop and some others against others. There was no trial given, and the police department had a track record of abuse.

 

[JustOneWay]

The shooting was self-defense. To say it was the tip of the iceberg is to say "the self-defense shooting was the tip of the iceberg.

Ok. I see you have acknowledged the "The shooting in Ferguson" part of the comment, and now have digested the "was just the tip of the iceberg" part as well.

Now let's work on that last part....

of the kind of abuse of the black community that was going on there.

When we add all three parts of the post you commented on, we see that the post is saying that the shooting led to the discovery of city-wide discrimination. I understand you are fixated on the shooting, however you have to realize that nobody is discussing the reasons for the shooting except you. This discussion is about combating racism, and in order to do that we need to analyze studies to best determine what is happening so a solution can be worked. Your defense of the cop is noble, but totally irrelevant.

 

[jacks]

No, the shooting was the tip of the iceberg not the self defense shooting. We don't have it confirmed that it was self-defense, just the words of the cop and some others against others. There was no trial given, and the police department had a track record of abuse.

Not sure what your first sentence means. But you must remember the whole grand jury investigation into the shooting, it was all the news talked about for months. Even under this intense spotlight it was considered self defense.

It's interesting we can't even seem to talk about "how" to combat racism, let alone actually do it.

 

[Vylo]

Not sure what your first sentence means. But you must remember the whole grand jury investigation into the shooting, it was all the news talked about for months. Even under this intense spotlight it was considered self defense.

It's interesting we can't even seem to talk about "how" to combat racism, let alone actually do it.

There was no trial though, despite evidence there should have been.

Being "considered" self defense doesn't mean it was proven to be self defense, just that there wasn't sufficient evidence to convince otherwise. You are innocent until proven guilty. That doesn't mean you didn't do something wrong, it just means there is enough doubt you can't be punished for it.

 

[nightflight]

Ok. I see you have acknowledged the "The shooting in Ferguson" part of the comment, and now have digested the "was just the tip of the iceberg" part as well.

I acknowledged it from the start. You just kept not getting it, for some strange reason.

To say that the shooting was "the tip of the iceberg" was a lame attempt to treat it as police misconduct, which we all know it wasn't (otherwise our friend in Washington Eric would certainly have prosecuted Officer Darren Wilson under federal hate crimes yada yada).

 

[ScottA]

THERE IS NO LONGER ANY RACIAL PREJUDICE, but rather an unfounded bitterness by some unwilling to move on, and a convenient cause by others, who themselves are agitators. In a society and nation whose history abolished slavery on the world stage, who has raised up equality to be hero status among our greatest achievements in art, music, sports, politics, and all professions...all that remains are: AGITATORS...whom we ALL should shun into obscurity.

 

[Vylo]

THERE IS NO LONGER ANY RACIAL PREJUDICE

Oh man, you are a riot, you should do stand up.

 

[ScottA]

Oh man, you are a riot, you should do stand up.

Looks like that job is taken. But let me ask you (everyone should ask themselves this question): What race are your top one hundred heroes?

 

[Armoured]

THERE IS NO LONGER ANY RACIAL PREJUDICE, but rather an unfounded bitterness by some unwilling to move on, and a convenient cause by others, who themselves are agitators. In a society and nation whose history abolished slavery on the world stage, who has raised up equality to be hero status among our greatest achievements in art, music, sports, politics, and all professions...all that remains are: AGITATORS...whom we ALL should shun into obscurity.

You don't think that those people who harbour "unfounded bitterness" might treat people they are bitter towards in prejudicial ways?

 

[ScottA]

You don't think that those people who harbour "unfounded bitterness" might treat people they are bitter towards in prejudicial ways?

They might do any number of things, but the point is, you can not define it as prejudice on one hand and give hero status on the other. What we have now is NOT prejudice...it's hypocrisy.

The first step to solving a problem, is to properly define it. It ain't prejudice.

 

[Armoured]

They might do any number of things, but the point is, you can not define it as prejudice on one hand and give hero status on the other. What we have now is NOT prejudice...it's hypocrisy.

The first step to solving a problem, is to properly define it. It ain't prejudice.

I don't follow your thinking.

Who's getting "hero status" and what does that really have to do with anything?

 

[ScottA]

I don't follow your thinking.

Who's getting "hero status" and what does that really have to do with anything?

The same people who are looked down upon are also looked up at (as heroes). It has been that way for decades. Ask ANYONE to list their top one hundred heroes...and they will be of many races: Sports stars, actors, artists of all kinds, teachers, politicians, etc.

We don't have a racial problem. We need to call it what it is. It's HYPOCRISY.

 

[Armoured]

The same people who are looked down upon are also looked up at (as heroes). It has been that way for decades. Ask ANYONE to list their top one hundred heroes...and they will be of many races: Sports stars, actors, artists of all kinds, teachers, politicians, etc.

We don't have a racial problem. We need to call it what it is. It's HYPOCRISY.

Probably only two races in my top hundred. And one of those significantly less than the other.

But is it your contention that if someone values a sporting person of a different race, they can't be racist? That's how I'm taking you.