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How to choose between creation and evolution.

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Actually Darwin’s book is a little old even though he does summarize his evidence of how he came to the conclusion of common descent pretty well . Obviously you’ve never read it. We also have a lot more information about how organisms are related than he had. This is the 21st century not the 19th after all.
 
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Actually Darwin’s book is a little old even though he does summarize his evidence of how he came to the conclusion of common descent pretty well . Obviously you’ve never read it. We also have a lot more information about how organisms are related than he had. This is the 21st century not the 19th after all.
 
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Actually Darwin’s book is a little old even though he does summarize his evidence of how he came to the conclusion of common descent pretty well . Obviously you’ve never read it. We also have a lot more information about how organisms are related than he had. This is the 21st century not the 19th after all.
 
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Of course . The use what Biology has proved to do their work. They do not use anything from evolution.

ICR and AiG are religious institutions with statements of faith that they require their members to adhere to, and explicitly reject anything which contradicts their beliefs:

While they are faith based, they do not require their faculty to reject something based on their religion. You can't give an example where that has happened. They counter evolution with PROVEN science.


Nothing in those statements require the person to reject something or falsify something based on their religion. Secular universities have the same standards, they just don't put it in writing.

Do you think a creationist could get a teaching position in Boloogy in a secular university?
 
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Actually Darwin’s book is a little old even though he does summarize his evidence of how he came to the conclusion of common descent pretty well . Obviously you’ve never read it. We also have a lot more information about how organisms are related than he had. This is the 21st century not the 19th after all.
 
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And you evidently never heard of the proven genetic fact---the offspring CANNOT receive a characteristic that is not in the gene pool of its parents.
 
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I certainly wouldn’t hire someone who deliberately lies about verified evidence for a teaching position. I remember stories about creationists being fired or not being hired in the first place because the workplace determined that they couldn’t do the work because of creationist “science” based incompetence
 
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I certainly wouldn’t hire someone who deliberately lies about verified evidence for a teaching position. I remember stories about creationists being fired or not being hired in the first place because the workplace determined that they couldn’t do the work because of creationist “science” based incompetence
 
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Instead of all the rhetoric, why not produce some verifiable scientific evidence.

Start with the evidence for natural selection, then advance to how the leg of a land animal can become the fin of a sea animal. I predict you will do neither.
 
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I can google the answers to any question put to me, and I'll sound like an expert
Not to those that would not have had to google the answer.
(and I will probably understand it as well).
Not likely.
And you got that "wisdom" from google, did you? So, you are 'smarter' than your doctors and all biologists, yet all you have is a background in economics and an ego. Incredible.

I have to wonder - how is it that without a relevant background, education, or knowledge, that you are able to discern whether or not what the google shows you is accurate?

Such hubris coupled with a large does of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Both are very common, oddly enough, in Christian creationists with no relevant education (regarding the issues being discussed), seeing as how they are supposedly humble and all that.

So - no actual examples of anatomy proving creation?

Was that claim just the usual creationist bluffing/hot air?
 
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So presumably websites like this one, and creationist books, videos and DVDs, are all a figment of my imagination; students in the real world never encounter them or hear about them because they don't exist.

It is not about hearing something, it is about the only thing they hear in public schools. It is indoctrination, not honest teaching.
 
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And you evidently never heard of the proven genetic fact---the offspring CANNOT receive a characteristic that is not in the gene pool of its parents.
Classic handwave. Devoid of evidence (never mind proof). Not a single citation to any reputable study supporting this so-called "proven genetic fact". In fact, made up entirely from prejudice and invincible ignorance.
 
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Rhetoric is not evidence. Post HOW it is possible.
 
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Instead of all the rhetoric, why not produce some verifiable scientific evidence.

Start with the evidence for natural selection, then advance to how the leg of a land animal can become the fin of a sea animal. I predict you will do neither.

Seeing as how it has been presented to you many times, I predict you will ignore or dismiss anything presented, then come back later and claim no evidence was ever presented.

Seeing as how the celebration of the rebirth of the sun just happened, can you present evidence that the dead rose from their graves upon the death of Jesus (Matthew 27:52)?

I predict that you will not even try.
 
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Do you think a creationist could get a teaching position in Boloogy in a secular university?
Most secular universities don't teach Boloogy, but Boloogy is exactly what pseudoscience organisations like AIG and ICR teach.
 
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You’re joking right !? Hecd just gave you that information . You know that post with the Hox gene stuff. It’s not that scientists don’t have the information it’s that creationists refuse to understand or even read it. Galileo had the same problem, one of his accusers refused to look through the telescope when he tried to show him the evidence he had . And no the Ham and AiG or ICR don’t do science. They just undermine their own credibility by lying about science facts.
 
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Actually it science based on science not the guessing game played by the evangelist of Darwin.

Evolution is a game of no evidence which you are playing.

Yes you do. One is called "The Origin of the Species." An amusing and telling title since it doesnot address the origin of the species.

Comments like this, make me believe that you are not sincere.
That you are just a Poe, trolling.

 
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Classic handwave. Devoid of evidence (never mind proof). Not a single citation to any reputable study supporting this so-called "proven genetic fact". In fact, made up entirely from prejudice and invincible ignorance.

Classical avoiding the question. You are tho one waving your hands and devoid of evidence. Those who understand basic genetic don't need a citation from a reputable study.

You have not provided a citation from a reputable study showing HOW a leg can become a fin.

I have just answered about a dozen post and not one of them included any scientific evidence. In the future don't expect an answer from me, if your post does not include some real scientific evidence.
 
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And you evidently never heard of the proven genetic fact---the offspring CANNOT receive a characteristic that is not in the gene pool of its parents.
You’re joking right !? Hecd just gave you that information . You know that post with the Hox gene stuff. It’s not that scientists don’t have the information it’s that creationists refuse to understand or even read it. Galileo had the same problem, one of his accusers refused to look through the telescope when he tried to show him the evidence he had . And no the Ham and AiG or ICR don’t do science. They just undermine their own credibility by lying about science facts.
 
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Do you think a creationist could get a teaching position in Boloogy in a secular university?

Sure. To make coffee.

To actually join the biological research department?
Not very likely.

That's kind of like employing a flat-earther at NASA or a Stork Theorist in a maternity hospital.
 
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Yes you do. One is called "The Origin of the Species." An amusing and telling title since it doesnot address the origin of the species.

Man, you really are just STUNNINGLY WRONG.
 
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