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How to choose between creation and evolution.

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The Bible is right in how it describes how things were created or evolution from a common ancestor is right on how things came to be. It's always a battle of faith in science or faith in God supported by science.

Are you suggesting that only Biblical literalists (read: creationists) have "faith in God"?
 
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Odd use of the third person, never explained, but important in a written language without quotation marks. Maybe you're right, but it's certainly not a slam-dunk.
 
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God designed the mountains to do what they do. He designed and created the process for them to be formed to do what they do. It's not that difficult to understand.

So why can't this god also "design" the processes that makes life form and then evolve?

And also, sounds like you are saying that everything is designed, is that correct?
 
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You interpret what you see. The nested heirarchies are assumptions based upon and interpretation.

I just explained to you how the pattern of nested hierarchies factually exists.
It's the opposite of assumption.

There is no observable testable verifiable evidence that it ever occurred the way evolutionists say

Sticking your head in the sand, will not make testability of theory go away.
The factual existance of nested hierarchies in and of themself, is actually a prediction of evolution, ironically.


They see community, similarity and assume it means we all evolved from the same thing.

no.


They weren't.

How do you breath, btw, with your head lodged so firmly up.... errr.... burried so deep underground?
 
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And there you have it. Science is God.

Not at all what I said.

Science is right regardless of what God says.

No.

Rather: science based on empirical objective evidence, trumps faith based beliefs of people who claim to know what an undemonstrable god supposedly said.

When reality disagrees with your faith based beliefs, it's not reality that is wrong.

To say otherwise is about the most intellectually dishonest position one can put himself in.

 
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The presenter of this video strongly suggests that DNA was designed, based on how it functions.

A creationist, no doubt... Ummm... Carl Zimmer wrote a book called "Evolution: The Triumph of an Idea", so I am skeptical that he did a video espousing design...

Did you actually watch it? I guess you must have been swayed by the metaphorical language...

What I get from you guys is that evolution deliberately disguised it's designs so that it could proceed without revealing a designer. Pretty crafty.


Confirmation bias bolstered by an admitted ignorance of the material. Pretty typical.

How long did it take for the genome to evolve, or was it already in the first cell ready to go to work?

Are you also going to ask 'If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?'

Yours is a question that someone with no knowledge of evolution, genetics, etc., would ask, yet think they are asking something profound. You are asking more about the origin of life, which is not part of evolution. I suggest you start out here:


Evolution 101

and work your way up to the level that most of the evolution proponents on here are at.

Every presentation like this one reinforces creation, not evolution.

And yet you have admitted that you do not understand the science.

How can a rational person ascribe the complexity of the genome to "descent with modification"?

How can a rational person admit that they are ignorant of the relevant science yet draw conclusions like you are?
 
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So you don't understand that illustration? Let me help.

We are made of atoms.
We are made of molecules.
We are made of cells.

What is so difficult about that?


So you are a product of molecules, not Jesus.

Got it.


Look.... Definitions and concepts actually mean things - maybe not in the phony baloney world of economics, but in science, definitions have specific meanings.

Any biology student will tell you that a tissue is a collection of cells of similar shape and function, because that is the definition of tissues.

NOBODY says 'tissues are specialized molecules' because that is stupid.

I get that you are trying to save face, but a much better way to save face is to NOT pontificate on matters that you have admitted ignorance in.

Isn't that the rational thing to do? Some stable genius with a 130 IQ should do?

Are you familiar with the Dunning-Kruger effect?
 
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Then show me the scientists that concluded design without an apriori religious belief. I've asked this three times now.
 
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Actually, a tissue is a group of similar or dissimilar cells performing a common function which have a common origin.
The similar in appearance part is actually wrong because (for example) the xylem is a complex permanent tissue. It has 4 components (in angiosperms): tracheids, vessels, xylem parenchyma and xylem fibres. None of these resemble each other.
 
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Fair enough, but in a general sense, they do look alike.



Regardless, those cells are not referred to by any biologist as molecules.
 
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again: its true for a genome too since all genomes we know of are the product of design.
Do you not know what a genome is?
Fair enough, but in a general sense, they do look alike.



Regardless, those cells are not referred to by any biologist as molecules.
Most tissues do look alike, I guess.
The only time I've heard someone use the word molecule in relation to a cell is in reference to its organelles (which are made of molecules). Still, nobody looks at your arm and says 'what a great assembly of cells'. Same with the cell.
 
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Cells are made up of molecules. Two-thirds of your body is water molecules; H20 (water molecule). Think of a brick wall. The "wall" holds up the roof, but is made of "bricks". Without the bricks there is no wall. Without molecules there are no cells. Therefore we are made of cells, which are made of molecules (which are made of atoms).

Why are you arguing this point?
 
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Then show me the scientists that concluded design without an apriori religious belief. I've asked this three times now.

Once scientists have drunk the evolution cool aid "design" is permanently removed from their lexicon.
 
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Once scientists have drunk the evolution cool aid "design" is permanently removed from their lexicon.
I have very little interest in a response from you if it's not an answer to the question I've asked.
 
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