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[FONT="]I tend to interpret ""[FONT="]But if by 'God,' one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God" as meaning that there is at least a semi-conscious order to the universe, in Sagan's view; otherwise, he would not have made a comparison between God and those laws.[/FONT]
[/FONT]Read Sagan's work and read about him. Don't based and form your opinion on one single quote. I think you are taking it out of context. In order to get a better understanding of Sagan and his beliefs read what he wrote and what others wrote of him. He was a materialist and humanist. If he did believe in this so-called god, it was unconscious.No where in that quote implied consciousness and the last time I checked the physical laws are not conscious.Look, I think we're going to just have to agree to disagree on this one. I think Sagan believed in God, even if his view of God was vastly different from my own; you're obviously free to disagree on that point.
Why worship the physical laws when you can worship the creator the physical laws?
It is not about humbling one's self.Too many people just cannot humble themselves to acknowledge that God does exist, and that God is the creator of all things, spiritual and physical.
You must fear the Lord in order to have wisdom?Proverbs 9:10 states, "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; and the knowledge of the holy is understanding."
I must agree above, Sagan was a non-believer, and is suffering the consequences of a non-believer. He just tried and tried to dance around admitting that God made the universe, and him too. His legs musta got tired from all that dancing!
You are in no position to determine the state of someone's salvation.I must agree above, Sagan was a non-believer, and is suffering the consequences of a non-believer. He just tried and tried to dance around admitting that God made the universe, and him too. His legs musta got tired from all that dancing!
True. But I'm waiting for someone to say "fruit"....You are in no position to determine the state of someone's salvation.
You are in no position to determine the state of someone's salvation.
LOL, when and where did I say that?No, we wouldn't want to determine the state of someone salvation, would we Mr. Komissar "Falwell is in Hell" Steve?
Check out one of the threads on Craig; I forgot which, but I kept having to say it, for complete lack of a better word.True. But I'm waiting for someone to say "fruit"....
I must agree above, Sagan was a non-believer, and is suffering the consequences of a non-believer.
He just tried and tried to dance around admitting that God made the universe, and him too. His legs musta got tired from all that dancing!
It's God's punishment for believing in evolution.he died -- same as believers do.
Last I heard, Cancer isn't caused by excessive dancing, although I'm sure some fundies would love people to think so.
LOL, when and where did I say that?
there you go again claiming that these people (e.g. Jerry Falwell) are leading people astray. and now it is possibly to Hell, not so sure now? Jerry Falwell was used by God, this is evident from personal testimony.
LOL, I wasn't denying it; I just am surprised that I came out and said it so blatantly. I must've been having a really bad day.No, we wouldn't want to determine the state of someone's salvation, would we Mr. Komissar "Falwell is in Hell" Steve?
The purpose of government should be to protect the nation from external and internal evil. The purpose of the government should not be to provide services to the people.
The government providing protection serves all the people. The government providing services provides mostly for those who live the Atheistic Lifestyle (self inflicted suffering). Those who are suffering/needy because of natural causes are the responsibility of the church.
Providing services to the people does nothing more than using taxes to rob the righteous to give to the unrighteous through welfare and healthcare programs.
Providing protection to the people means the government prevents external and internal evil from destroying/capturing the nation and thus eliminating freedom for all the people.
When there are welfare/healthcare programs, there will have to be restrictions on the lives of people because people will always abuse any freebie that is offered. These restrictions means freedom is lost.
Republicans support the protection concept of government by advocating Democracy, Christianity and Capitalism.
Democrats support the services concept of government by advocating Democracy, Atheism and Socialism.
UNIVERSAL HEATH CARE
Universal Health Care is probably the best proof of the failure of the Atheistic Lifestyle that is promoted by the Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry and the democratic party.
When siting the need for Universal Health Care the first words are that there are 47 million uninsured Americans. 8 million of whom are children. This may be a true statement but why are the children without health insurance? Most of these children are without health insurance because they are illegitimate and living in a single parent home. A single parent home does not have enough income to provide health insurance and the children get sick because the mother is working instead of taking care of the children.
The Christian Lifestyle promotes the Christian Family Concept of a man, a women and the children. The man provides for the family, and the woman nurtures the family. This Christian Family Concept is being destroyed by the pornography and the feminism advocated by the Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry and the democratic party. The pornography attacks the men, the feminism attacks the women and the children suffer.
This problem will only get worse, unless there is a return to the Christian Family Concept of the Christian Lifestyle.
It amazes me to see someone advocate that the Universal Health Care would be like Medicare. Medicare is the biggest mess ever created by socialists. The costs are impossible to control and the payments into Medicare will constantly increase. Universal Health Care will be much worse than Medicare.
The reason Atheists purpose Universal Health Care is to force the healthy/righteous to pay for the unhealthy/unrighteous. A better way to approach the problem is to quit promoting the unhealthy/unrighteous lifestyle.
There is a clear choice for America on this issue. Democrats advocate Universal Health Care because the people that vote for them live the Atheistic Lifestyle. Republicans do not advocate Universal Health Care because the people that vote for them live the Christian Lifestyle.
Capitalistic Health Care produce unequally good healthcare, but Universal Health Care produces equally bad healthcare.
Providing services to the people does nothing more than using taxes to rob the righteous to give to the unrighteous through welfare and healthcare programs.
UNIVERSAL HEATH CARE
Universal Health Care is probably the best proof of the failure of the Atheistic Lifestyle that is promoted by the Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry and the democratic party.
When siting the need for Universal Health Care the first words are that there are 47 million uninsured Americans. 8 million of whom are children. This may be a true statement but why are the children without health insurance? Most of these children are without health insurance because they are illegitimate and living in a single parent home. A single parent home does not have enough income to provide health insurance and the children get sick because the mother is working instead of taking care of the children.
The Christian Lifestyle promotes the Christian Family Concept of a man, a women and the children.
The Artice said:"
As researchers have noted, the areas of the country where divorce rates are highest are also frequently the areas where many conservative Christians live."
The man provides for the family, and the woman nurtures the family. This Christian Family Concept is being destroyed by the pornography and the feminism advocated by the Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry and the democratic party.
This problem will only get worse, unless there is a return to the Christian Family Concept of the Christian Lifestyle.
Sam Harris said:"Of the 25 cities with the lowest rates of violent crime, 62 percent are in "blue" states and 38 percent are in "red" states."
It amazes me to see someone advocate that the Universal Health Care would be like Medicare. Medicare is the biggest mess ever created by socialists.
The Artice said:1. New England Journal of Medicine published a study that compared veterans health facilities on 11 measures of quality with fee-for-service Medicare. On all 11 measures, the quality of care in veterans facilities proved to be “significantly better.”'
2. 'The Annals of Internal Medicine recently published a study that compared veterans health facilities with commercial managed-care systems in their treatment of diabetes patients. In seven out of seven measures of quality, the VA provided better care.'
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The reason Atheists purpose Universal Health Care is to force the healthy/righteous to pay for the unhealthy/unrighteous. A better way to approach the problem is to quit promoting the unhealthy/unrighteous lifestyle.
All the verses of the Bible call for charity by a person, not charity by the government.
A Christian is commanded to remember the poor, but the Christian is not commanded to participate in a government run program that offers assistance to those who have self inflicted misery.
The best way to help the self inflicted problems is the change the heart of the person by accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, then the assistance will be effective.
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