How the Democratic Party opposes Christian Principles

[clirus]

dlamberth quote

I think you and I have hit upon a point of agreement. I'm seeing that you do support environmentalism. It's the "extreme environmentalism" you appose. And I agree. I believe it's wrong for environmentalist to blow up logging trucks and logging business for instance. That's pretty extreme stuff. But non-extreme environmentalism has brought us really good things like clean water, sewage treatment plants and recycling. Non-extreme environmentalism is working to clean up dirty rivers like the one running through Portland Oregon, where I live, and in many other places all across America as well.

For me, I see environmentalism as a command from God because he told us to take care of the earth. So it's a spiritual thing for me. What are your reasons to support environmentalism?


Response

My point with a lot of issues is that Satan takes the good things of God and perverts them into evil. Environmentalism, as you have just presented, is one of those issues.

Atheists use Extreme Environmentalism as an attack on Christianity by getting people to worship nature instead of God.

Love is an example of the good things of God, but it can be perverted into the evil of lust.

Knowing where the good ends and the evil begins will never be understood until a person accepts Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and the person studies the Bible.

My reason to support environmentalism and Christian Principles of the Bibles is because I have children who I would like to live in an environmentally clean world and an ethically clean world.

I believe in Democracy, Christianity and Capitalism. Democracy allows choice, Christianity defines the right choice and Capitalism produces the prosperity that allows Democracy and Christianity to work. Christianity is essential to prevent the excesses of Democracy and Capitalism from destroying society. Christianity deals with individual ethics, that collectively produce a ethical society. Laws are needed to punish people, but it is better to prevent than to punish.

Republicans have yet to prove to me that they really support Christian principles, but democrats have proven they do "not" support Christian Principles.

 

[clirus]

GettinInTune quote

As an atheist I lack a belief in God. My focus is much more on my fellow man, than God.

Response

I thank you for your honesty.

Can you really serve your fellow man without a perfect set of ethical principles to follow?

Can humans, who have a base nature of being sinful, ever produce a perfect set of ethical principles?

Can you find any fault with the perfect set of ethical principles presented in the Bible?

Wouldn't it be better to move on with God instead of against God?

 

[Museveni]

Can you really serve your fellow man without a perfect set of ethical principles to follow?

Yes. How you ask? Cuase perfection is impossible and you can only do as much as your capable off.

Can humans, who have a base nature of being sinful, ever produce a perfect set of ethical principles?

based on the(IMO) flawed assumption of a single religions view that humans are sinful(and even then only when compared to that religions beliefs). As mentioned earlier a "perfect" set of ethical principles is impossible to achive.

Can you find any fault with the perfect set of ethical principles presented in the Bible?

Yes.

1: It's not even remotely close to perfect.
2: It only counts for people what are willing to surrender to your view of the world.
3: Most of them dont even originate from the Bible. Unless Gods real name is Hammurabi

Wouldn't it be better to move on with God instead of against God?

No. Cuase God comes with strings attached.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Nathan Poe quote

(Insert your own Larry Craig joke here.)

Response

I want to thank the democrats and the Atheistic Liberal News Media for getting the homosexuals out of the Republican Party.

If the homosexuals were removed from the democratic party and the Atheistic Liberal News Media, there would not be much left.

Haven't you heard the news? Craig is denying he's gay.

Besides, what's wrong with a homosexual republican?

 

[Museveni]

Haven't you heard the news? Craig is denying he's gay.

Besides, what's wrong with a homosexual republican?

It goes against the Divine Will of Bobo The Space Squirrel(tm)

 

[IzzyPop]

How long should we wait for someone to prove non living matter can become living matter and thus establish evolution as a physical law?

I am beginning to think that you are a dishonest person, clirus. It has been pointed out on multiple occasions that evolution has nothing to do with abiogenesis. And yet here you are, word for word claiming that one has anything to do with the other. So please try to keep in mind that creation of life has nothing to do with evolution. Please pay attention.

Since God is transcendental, we cannot observe Him, but we can read about Him and check the correctness of the material presented. Until someone proves something in the Bible in wrong, one would have to assume the Bible is perfect.

Are you talking scientifically wrong or just areas where the Bible does not even agree with itself? There is plenty of both.

It is not correct/honest to discredit anything by just presenting an unproven alternative.

My irony meter just exploded...
You can say the exact same thing about creationism. At least there is evidence of evolution. There is no evidence for god...

Atheists don't like people to question the Atheistic Principles. I think it is the responsibility of Christians to ask question and demand proof.

Ack! I just replaced the irony meter....

If you flip the words atheist and christian in that sentence, you get exactly what you seem to fear.

Christianity requires a little faith, but Atheism requires a lot of faith.

Riiight. Stop bogarting the blunt, man. Puff, puff, pass. You have got to be high to even say this garbage, much less believe it.

I believe that if people are presented an honest unbiased presentation of the Atheistic Lifestyle and the Christian Lifestyle, they would choose the Christian Lifestyle and the Atheistic Lifestyle would fade back into the closet.

Not if you represent the Christian Lifestyle. I will fight it tooth and nail. And if this theocracy ever comes to pass, I will pick up arms to fight it. It is the betrayal of everything that is good and right about America.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Originally Posted by clirus
Since God is transcendental, we cannot observe Him, but we can read about Him and check the correctness of the material presented. Until someone proves something in the Bible in wrong, one would have to assume the Bible is perfect.

Thats a really bad basis for assumption... and one that would be equally valid for the texts of just about every other religion on Earth too... so what, they're ALL correct?

 

[Museveni]

Thats a really bad basis for assumption... and one that would be equally valid for the texts of just about every other religion on Earth too... so what, they're ALL correct?

In that case(and if I have to pick a Deity) I'd go for Venus. If im going to worship something it might aswell be a good looking naked woman...

 

[Sphere]

Not only that, but his argument is akin to saying:

Until someone can prove that Paris Hilton isn't a relative of Jesus Christ, we have to assume she is.

Until someone can prove that invisible pink giant 3 story tall spiders don't exist, we have to assume they do.

Requesting proof on a negative demonstrates an embarrassing level of cognitive ability and rational thought.

 

[Museveni]

Until someone can prove that invisible pink giant 3 story tall spiders don't exist, we have to assume they do.

How can somethings thats invisible(and I assume as a result of that transparent) have a color? If im going to play Devils Advocate here

 

[EnemyPartyII]

How can somethings thats invisible(and I assume as a result of that transparent) have a color? If im going to play Devils Advocate here
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thats part of the joke... but hey, in light of the conversation, prove that invisible spiders can't be pink? Go on, PROVE it?

 

[Sphere]

How can somethings thats invisible(and I assume as a result of that transparent) have a color? If im going to play Devils Advocate here
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Okay, imagine that these giant spiders are from the Rutiplaris star system, and have cloaking devices.

 

[tulc]

Okay, imagine that these giant spiders are from the Rutiplaris star system, and have cloaking devices.

Ok, now you're just being silly. Giant spiders are from Proycon B!
tulc(who doesn't think their cloaking device is all THAT!)

 

[Sphere]

Can anyone provide empirical evidence that giant invisible pink spiders with cloaking devices from the Rutiplaris star system don't exist? If not, are we all in agreement that they must exist?

 

[clirus]

Museveni quote

No. Cuase God comes with strings attached.

Response

Yes that is true. Just as soon as you accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, the Holy Spirit will begins to convict you of the sin in your life.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Museveni quote

No. Cuase God comes with strings attached.

Response

Yes that is true. Just as soon as you accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, the Holy Spirit will begins to convict you of the sin in your life.

Out of curiousity, clirus, how would you define "sin"?

 

[Guttermouth]

Lets see. One definition would be having sex with young boys to whom you are supposed to minister and counsel. Another might be, oh, lets say attempting to molest young congressional pages. Or maybe having sex with male prostitutes from whom you buy you meth. Or, of course, you could include having sex with strange men in public restrooms. Or maybe an evangelical having sex with prostitutes or affairs with secretaries....

Hmmm. This thread is about Democrats and Atheists? Sorry. strike all of those...

 

[GettinInTune]

Clirus,

This is most likely my last correspondence to you on this thread. I do not see a resolution in the near future.

Can you really serve your fellow man without a perfect set of ethical principles to follow?

Yes, I do. Ethical systems are man made and exist outside of God.

Can humans, who have a base nature of being sinful, ever produce a perfect set of ethical principles?

I don't see humans possessing a base nature and being filled with sin. For anyone we sees otherwise, is just beyond my comprehension and makes me sad to even think that others' perceive humanity through bleak lenses.

Can you find any fault with the perfect set of ethical principles presented in the Bible?

The Bible is not at fault, but the people who live by it blindly. The truth requires going against your deeply held prejudices. I hope one day that you see the world for what it is, and not what you think it should be.

Wouldn't it be better to move on with God instead of against God?

I do not believe in God. How can I move against God?

"Those afraid of the universe as it really is, those who pretend to nonexistent knowledge and envision a Cosmos centered on human beings will prefer the fleeting comforts of superstition. They avoid rather than confront the world. But those with the courage to explore the weave and structure of the Cosmos, even where it differs profoundly from their wishes and prejudices, will penetrate its deepest mysteries."--Carl Sagan

 

[dlamberth]

Atheists use Extreme Environmentalism as an attack on Christianity by getting people to worship nature instead of God.

I think what’s really happening is the other way around. I think that Christians often are so afraid of the image of nature being worshipped that they, for fear of being burned, shrink back as quickly as possible from their responsibility of protecting the environment. Because there is a great need that Christians are not upholding, others who are not Christian do see the need so they come in and fill the gap that’s created by the absence any Christian presence. The end result is that Christians end up giving their responsibility over to others. And some of those others may even be Worshippers of Nature.

Personally, I’d love to see Christians being as morally concerned about the environment as they are about abortion. A weakened and polluted environment kills just as surely as does abortion.

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[clirus]

GettinInTune quote

I do not believe in God. How can I move against God?

"Those afraid of the universe as it really is, those who pretend to nonexistent knowledge and envision a Cosmos centered on human beings will prefer the fleeting comforts of superstition. They avoid rather than confront the world. But those with the courage to explore the weave and structure of the Cosmos, even where it differs profoundly from their wishes and prejudices, will penetrate its deepest mysteries."--Carl Sagan


Response

I wish I knew how to prove to you that God exists.

I believe that any examination of world events proves that the base nature of man is sinful/evil.

I believe the existence of Israel as a nation is strong evidence of the existence of God. God promised Israel would survive, and Israel has survived even though the Germans and the Arabs/Muslims have tried to eliminate them from the face of the earth. Neither the intelligence of the Germans nor the wealth of the Arabs/Muslims have been capable of eliminating the Jews. Jews did not even exist as a nation for a long time, but now they have been a nation since WW II.

Even though I cannot prove God exists, If God does exist, God will judge all people whether they believe He exists or not.

I fear not the universe nor humans, because I know the maker of the universe and all other things.

What I fear is people like Carl Sagan that lead people away from God by implying they/science have the answers instead of God. Wonder where Carl is now?