How the Ark was ventilated.

[Tiberius]

AV, do you think that the actions of the floodwaters offers an explanation for why the rocks on Earth date as billions of years old using the various radiometric dating techniques?

 

[AV1611VET]

AV, do you think that the actions of the floodwaters offers an explanation for why the rocks on Earth date as billions of years old using the various radiometric dating techniques?

No -- the age of the rocks was handled directly by God, Himself; and the Flood contributed nothing in that area.

In my opinion.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

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Do we actually know how much water is in the seas?

Yes. About 1.4 billion cubic kilometers. If it all came up to sea level it would still be 20,000 feet short of what you need to cover the mountains.

Also, I said before that the floodwater doesn't have to be even as high as the highest peak. All it has to do is cover it at some point in the event. A surge or swell from levels well below the peak could cover it momentarily, fulfilling the baptism type (which it certainly was).

And this supposed surge rushed up over all the high mountains during this gently rising flood you have been talking about for several posts now. You are contradicting yourself.

Also, like a volcano's lava dome the seafloor may have been lifted up but not ruptured widely. At the same time a corresponding sinking of the continents may have occured, as when you sqeeze a balloon in the middle the ends bulge out.

There is no natural mechanism for this occur and you still need many thousands of feet of water even if it did.

Or there also may have been an enormous power surge within the earth resulting from a giant 'meteor' strike that changed the earth's shape.

A metor strike large enough to change the shape of the earth significantly would would killed everything Noah included.

After all the earth is slightly out of kilter both in axis and orbit which means it might have been smacked by something in the past.

It has been smacked by a lot of things in the past but if something big enough to change its orbit had hit the ark would not have survived.

 

[Nostromo]

I also don't recall reading about a meteor strike in Genesis, you'd think that would be in there.

 

[AV1611VET]

I also don't recall reading about a meteor strike in Genesis, you'd think that would be in there.

No -- you would think that should be in there.

And in actuality, the basic doctrine that drives the Gap Theory explains meteor strikes in Genesis very well.

 

[Nostromo]

Does it explain why we have an account of the flood and plagues and all sorts of other nasties, but not a meteor strike large enough to reshape the Earth? As mentioned by FB, such a thing wouldn't go unnoticed, under normal circumstances Noah would be annihilated. It seems odd that the greatest disaster in human history went unrecorded.

 

[AV1611VET]

Does it explain why we have an account of the flood and plagues and all sorts of other nasties, but not a meteor strike large enough to reshape the Earth?

I don't know about explaining the Flood, but it explains why the moon looks as it does as well; as well as where the Grand Canyon came from.

(Note to Gap theorists: If I'm wrong here, please correct me.)

 

[Tiberius]

If you think that the floodwaters created the Grand canyon, perhaps you could explain why we don't find similar canyons all over the place...

 

[AV1611VET]

If you think that the floodwaters created the Grand canyon, perhaps you could explain why we don't find similar canyons all over the place...

Because God wanted one in Arizona?

Look what God did to Sodom and Gomorrah.

He made those twin cities a deep depression in the earth, and today it's called the Dead Sea.

By the same token, He could have done the same to the Grand Canyon -- made it a big crack in the earth for some reason.

I'm sure He had His reasons.

 

[Targ]

What makes you think Sodom and Gomorrah were located in where is now the Dead Sea? Got any references for this, either Biblical or scholarly? Feel free to respond in a new thread if you don't want to derail this one.

 

[Nostromo]

I don't know about explaining the Flood, but it explains why the moon looks as it does as well; as well as where the Grand Canyon came from.

(Note to Gap theorists: If I'm wrong here, please correct me.)

You've put the emphasis on the wrong part of my question. I'm asking if it explains why there's no account of this phenomenally large meteor strike, when there are accounts of floods and other, somewhat less dramatic, disasters.

 

[AV1611VET]

What makes you think Sodom and Gomorrah were located in where is now the Dead Sea? Got any references for this, either Biblical or scholarly? Feel free to respond in a new thread if you don't want to derail this one.

I'll just give a link: Sodom and Gomorrah found beneath Dead Sea

 

[AV1611VET]

You've put the emphasis on the wrong part of my question. I'm asking if it explains why there's no account of this phenomenally large meteor strike, when there are accounts of floods and other, somewhat less dramatic, disasters.

Author's preference?

 

[hillard]

I'll just give a link: Sodom and Gomorrah found beneath Dead Sea

Author's preference?

It's pretty obvious that you will write and quote whatever makes you look like someone who is not very clever,
are you trying to show everyone here that you are a true creationists?

 

[AV1611VET]

... are you trying to show everyone here that you are a true creationists?

If they don't know it by now, I have a feeling they'll never know it.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

And this supposed surge rushed up over all the high mountains during this gently rising flood you have been talking about for several posts now. You are contradicting yourself.
There is no natural mechanism for this occur and you still need many thousands of feet of water even if it did.
A metor strike large enough to change the shape of the earth significantly would would killed everything Noah included.

It has been smacked by a lot of things in the past but if something big enough to change its orbit had hit the ark would not have survived.

A giant swell could have been caused by the mountains themselves as the water surged up and over. like a tsunami that breaks when it has no other place to go. Such a surge would not have been felt by the ark as it was hundreds of miles away from the highest peaks. The possible meteor (or something) would not have struck in Noah's day. It would have been prehistoric but the power surge would still be banging around inside the earth. I'm guessing that a single impact in the past is the energy source that cracked the earth's crust, moved it slightly out of orbit, tipped it's axis, and began the tectonic plate movements. Based on all of the above I place the impact site at Hudson Bay. Of course it would have killed everything on earth. God replaced the critters with others suited to the new devastated environment. I'm guessing these cataclysms occurred more than once. Genesis reveals that the earth was in pretty bad shape from a probably recent devastation. That's the gap theory anyway.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Yes. About 1.4 billion cubic kilometers. If it all came up to sea level it would still be 20,000 feet short of what you need to cover the mountains.


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Ok. How about this. It is a fact that many areas that were pushed down (sunk) by the ice cap are being lifted, or pushed back up by the pressure within the earth. (This is occurring with no associated volcanic activity or earthquakes.) It could well be that the weight of the flood water pushed whole continents down much like the ice cap did. This is turn would have impacted the rising of the seafloor as the oceanic crust would now be much lighter than the combined weight of the continental plates plus the weight of the seawater standing upon them. In this scenario it may even be possible for the floodwater to actually 'stand' over the tallest peak. Also the mountainous areas might actually sink lower just because of their incredible weight. Fill up the valleys with water and you've got some real weight pressing down...........Another thought. We don't know how high the tallest peak was 4500 years ago. Based on it's rate of growth of 3 cm per year Everest would have grown nearly 500 feet since the flood. That's a lot of water that my argument doesn't have to account for.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

A giant swell could have been caused by the mountains themselves as the water surged up and over. like a tsunami that breaks when it has no other place to go. Such a surge would not have been felt by the ark as it was hundreds of miles away from the highest peaks.

This would not happen with the gently rising water you have claimed early. Your "model" is not internally consistent.

The possible meteor (or something) would not have struck in Noah's day. It would have been prehistoric but the power surge would still be banging around inside the earth.

Here is another indication that you have no knowledge of physics and no idea what you are talking about.

I'm guessing that a single impact in the past is the energy source that cracked the earth's crust, moved it slightly out of orbit, tipped it's axis, and began the tectonic plate movements.

Changing the earth's orbit or tilt significantly would require an impact that would end all life. It could have only happened during the accertion of the earth and the energy would not still be banging around 4.5 billion years later to lift up the ocean floor and cause Noah's flood.
Changing the Earth's Axis or Orbit
Changing the orbit of a planet is a tall order. An impact big enough to have even a tiny effect on the Earth's orbit or rotation would almost certainly destroy all life on Earth as well.

The largest known impacts were at Vredefort, Sudbury and Chicxulub and none of them were large enough to signficantly change the orbit of the earth.

Based on all of the above I place the impact site at Hudson Bay. Of course it would have killed everything on earth. God replaced the critters with others suited to the new devastated environment. I'm guessing these cataclysms occurred more than once. Genesis reveals that the earth was in pretty bad shape from a probably recent devastation. That's the gap theory anyway.

While there are evidences of mass extinction there is evidence of continous life on earth at least since the precambrian.

So you still have no logical mechanism for the rising of the ocean floor and even with this magical rise you are still short of the water you need to cover the high mountains by about 3 billion cubic km and the idea that the water from the oceans could rush in fast enough to slosh up over the highest mountains without subjecting the ark to massive wave action is just plain absurd.

 

[Nostromo]

Author's preference?

Are you asking me or telling me?

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you asking me or telling me?

Both.

Anyone can read a book and question why the author didn't say this or that.