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Gee I wonder who paid for that study? Was it called how to get your moneys worth out of your employees? Or perhaps the interdynamics of office workers and how to get them to be more productive.
I asked WHO paid for that study? Simple question.What on the FSM's noodly earth are you on about?
Are you suggesting the World Health Org. paid for the study?I asked WHO paid for that study? Simple question.
I asked WHO paid for that study? Simple question.
Are you suggesting the World Health Org. paid for the study?
Or maybe Dr. Who?
What is this, an Abbott and Costello bit?
"Who paid for the study?"
"Yes."
"Yes what?"
"WHO paid for the study."
"That's what I wanna know!"
And so on, etcetera.
No, it's more to do with the reality factor, plus a love of oneself and the people ,you have loved.So it's fear that makes people religious?
What is this, an Abbott and Costello bit?
"Who paid for the study?"
"Yes."
"Yes what?"
"WHO paid for the study."
"That's what I wanna know!"
And so on, etcetera.
Do you mean by universalistic Christianity,that there is no punishment,The part that stuck in my mouth is that Jesus as God means that really..what happened was he went on a 33 year vacation that kinda sucked. But when you are God..well that's superfluous. My issue with classic Christianity and why I think it'll will die out eventually in lue of universalistic Christianity is that it is ultimately an idea predicated on salvation due to nothing but complicity and punishment due to thoughtcrime.
No, it's not amazing. We don't take 30 minute old second hand accounts of eyewitness testimony seriously if it doesn't corroborate, never mind 30 years old, so being required to accept this as a valid account is ridiculously inconsistent.
It's interesting though that you mentioned Roman emperors - the standard of evidence for some of them is up there, if not better than, the evidence for the existence of Jesus - and many of them were deified. Do we worship them? No - again, people would think that's silly. Consistency.
I get the idea of batting for your team, I really do, but there are some Christians who would have you believe that the resurrection is the most airtight account of anything that ever happened in recorded history, which is simply not the case.
I believe I got mine from the evolution of social behaviour in complex hierarchical groups of individuals. And my opinion should matter to other people because it is structured around what causes the greatest amount of benefit and welbeing, as opposed to arbitrary commands, or a "might makes right" approach.
We all have an innate sense of justice. Nobody likes to be duped or taken advantage of
Sadly, there isn't any verifiable evidence that Jesus ever actually existed.
And even if we want to grant that a guy actually existed whom the myth is based upon there is no evidence that anything like the "miracles" purported in the Gospels really happened.
You're not offering me a better way, you're offering me YOUR way. A way that insists that I abandon actual thought and concentrate upon making contradictions seem reasonable.
Evolution is a scientific theory, not a moral code. In a way, I do believe that evolution is responsible for problems in society, as well as benefit, but not in such a way that removes individual responsibility. I don't have to like the way human beings have evolved to believe things happened a certain way.And your opinion, your judgment, really amounts to what, on the basis of such evolution of social behavior, etc.? I mean, did you think of judging evolution, and laying the view of evolution to blame for anything? Why not?
Who says you understand the 'greatest amount of wellbeing", life, the universe, and everything?
Well I don't expect you to not have questions and concerns about evidence and how to sort through evidence. When it comes to ancient subjects we take what evidence we have and do the best we can. A lot of ancient copies have survived, and there were a lot of sources that were written pretty early, pretty close to the events compared to other ancient events and people, really. Do you want more, ok. But we have what we have, for whatever reasons.
I don't expect you to believe something just because there is an old text. I understand you are still going to look at the claims made by the ancient emperors, the writings associated with early Christianity, and ask further questions. My point was simply that we do have a lot of early material tracing back to the first century Christians, so there is evidence to work with, and it wasn't written down all THAT much later than the events that the material is talking about, compared to lots of other ancient claims.
Well there's evidence, but what do you make of the evidence. It certainly doesn't satisfy everyone.
Some dismiss it as foolishness, sure, that's old news.
I think some Christians' don't quite appreciate what Paul was saying in Corinthians
And your opinion, your judgment, really amounts to what, on the basis of such evolution of social behavior, etc.? I mean, did you think of judging evolution, and laying the view of evolution to blame for anything? Why not? Who says you understand the 'greatest amount of wellbeing", life, the universe, and everything?
Ok, lol ....I find it to be the pinnacle of irony that some people refuse to believe in God , yet they believe we , who are having a convo online in the year 2011, came from one cell organisms in a " random " universe, that made itself !
And they also believe,that they have, and will have, control over the material universe,and if there is a God/Creator,they might not be able to do what they want.Better to bury the head in the sand .
But for some it is not a matter of not believing in a creator ,but the version of the one, many rather ignorant Christians believe in.
When one meets some of these one is not impressed ,and I am not talking
about the ones I will all the 'candy floss' ones ,who are the other side of a bad coin,from the 'hell is just around the corner ones'.
Evolution is a scientific theory, not a moral code.
In a way, I do believe that evolution is responsible for problems in society, as well as benefit, but not in such a way that removes individual responsibility. I don't have to like the way human beings have evolved to believe things happened a certain way.
But why just that? If an omnipotent deity has control over communications, why is the communication so patchy? Given that we're the ones in trouble if we get the message wrong, and God allegedly cares for us so much, why leave a 30 year gap after 2000 years? To me, that just harpoons Christianity outright.
but my point is that it's regarded still not enough to justify worshipping them as deities. Jesus' documentation is hardly top of the pile, so why should he be worshipped when say, Julius Caesar (who was deified) isn't?
I'm usually wary of verses like these - they're typically used to deflect scrutiny, i.e. "well, this verse says people who disagree with what we say are fools! You don't want to be a fool, do you?"
Who says a Christian understands their basis for morality any better?
And they also believe,that they have, and will have, control over the material universe,and if there is a God/Creator,they might not be able to do what they want.
Ok. So do you admit that there is no evolutionistic scientific grounds for claiming that you have a moral code, or that your moral code is right?
Ok, so there are such questions about why things didn't happen differently, why we don't have different sorts of evidence, or more of this kind of evidence or that kind of evidence.
When I read the Gospels in the NT, and enter the story personally, I am confronted, challenged, in lots of ways by what I see in the Gospels. I am drawn to respond.
Then some more questions come up. Ok. Who do I trust? Why? How? What is going on personally in my response to what I see in the Gospels in the NT?
When I read about Julius Caesar, I do not feel so personally challenged and drawn to respond, for starters.
The claims made in the NT Gospels are much more important than ones about Julius Caesar.
Actually, Paul when speaking to the Corinthian church says few of them are wise in the world's eyes. I am saying, yes I know this looks foolish to others. Yes I know I must appear foolish to some. I'm aware of it, it is to be expected.
Ok. Good question. Do you think there is a basis for morality? A real basis?
Jesus Christ says that He was the alpha,and the omega,and He is,But why just that? If an omnipotent deity has control over communications, why is the communication so patchy? Given that we're the ones in trouble if we get the message wrong, and God allegedly cares for us so much, why leave a 30 year gap after 2000 years? To me, that just harpoons Christianity outright.
My point was a comparison to other ancient claims too. The evidence for the existence of many ancient figures is as good if not better - but my point is that it's regarded still not enough to justify worshipping them as deities. Jesus' documentation is hardly top of the pile, so why should he be worshipped when say, Julius Caesar (who was deified) isn't?
Inconclusive - contradictory, even.
I'm usually wary of verses like these - they're typically used to deflect scrutiny, i.e. "well, this verse says people who disagree with what we say are fools! You don't want to be a fool, do you?"
Who says a Christian understands their basis for morality any better?
I do not want or expect anything from a god/s. I'm saying we are good without god/s. God/s are not needed at this point in time.Yet you want good things from God without seeking God's guidance, and think it's horrible of Him to let you choose to do things without Him and not have His good things or His guidance, eternally? God doesn't owe good things to those who don't want Him or His guidance, and yet He mercifully continues to give you good things. And for this, you judge Him because He would reveal Himself and call you to walk by His ways?
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