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Here you are, dear. Satan does not believe that Christ is the Son of God, and tries to sow doubt in Christ's mind as well.
And why is god different?
That's funny, because I don't believe in satan either. And it's funny how some people try to say that if I don't believe in god I'm doing satan's work. Does that mean if I don't believe in satan I'm doing god's work?
Let's look at it in a different way. If you give me three or more contemporary, independent, otherwise reliable historians who also mention a specific incident, and who describe it in enough detail such that it definitively cannot be ascribable to any other known cause, then I will count that as evidence that entertains the possibility of god's existence.
Now: what will it take to make you believe that god doesn't exist?
As for death and endorphins, I can think of a very plausible explanation; it is released in other, similar situations, such as those of stress, anxiety, and pain. It could very well be simply an epiphenomenon...if this actually does occur. Because I can find no medical literature in my brief search that shows that endorphin release precedes death.
So then why do people say that we will burn in hell?
Actually, if you read Kings and Chronicles carefully you will find that the story of Abraham and Isaac is intended to persuade the ancient Israelites not to practice infanticide, by offering their first born babies to Molech.
And if you read Kings and Chronicles carefully, you will also find that a lot of them took no notice of this very good advice, and did indeed put their firstborn babies into a fire. The accounts are clearly heavily edited, but not enough that you can't find them if you know what to look for. Children 'passing through fire' are not passing anywhere.
In other words the story is not about faith, it is about preventing ritual child sacrifice in ancient Israel.
The sacrifice of a lamb or a dove later acted as a substitution for the sacrifice of the actual first born child, but God still says that the first born child of any animal or person belongs to him.
For those of us more advanced,it is about 'faith'.
Please do not tell me how to interpret the bible.This is a discussion about
how literalists,creationists,anti- science,etc. turns people away from God .
I see their point.
Just a quick note about CatherineAnne's "Free Gift of Salvation" comment:
Too many christians assume an atheist is someone who believes God exists and simply reject him. This is not the case. I didn't make a choice to be an atheist, I can't choose to believe that God exists any more than you can choose to believe, really, sincerely believe, that I am in fact 14 feet tall and made of Camembert. In this respect, it is not a "free gift", it comes with conditions attached, conditions which, if God existed, I would be unable to fulfil.
Mr.P: You are faced with the reality of this world,you can believe that a power greater than ourselves created it or you can believe another reason for its existence,however you cannot deny that our world is a reality. When humans have went away from the possiblity of a creator then they have produced ideas that end in puffs of smoke,they cannot explain our correct environment,nor the force that causes life to exist,actually all they can do is observe the processes of life and comment on them.
For those of us more advanced,it is about 'faith'.
Please do not tell me how to interpret the bible.This is a discussion about
how literalists,creationists,anti- science,etc. turns people away from God .
I see their point.
An atheist is someone who believes that there is no God. As far as I am aware this is not a sin per se, because belief is morally neutral. You can no more choose to believe than I can choose not to believe.
A lot of Christians may say differently, but I see no reason for a loving God to punish belief; that makes no sense.
What makes sense is to look at what happens as a result of your belief. If an atheist as a result of not believing in God happens to treat those around him with respect, lovingkindness and generosity, then there is no difference between that respect and a Christian showing the same respect. If, on the other hand, a Christian shows only bigotry, hatred, animosity and anger towards those around him, it matters very little in whose name he does it, he is the servant of the evil one.
'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.'
Matthew 25, 31 - 46
This is a far healthier form of belief than those christians who revel in the idea of others experiencing eternal torture. You have made me happy!
Note that this isn't acceptable evidence, because it cannot be independently verified, and there is, moreover, nothing to suggest that it is even necessary to improve our understanding of the world.
Sure you can, our world screams at us that it is a creation,it takes a determined effort to live in this world and believe that a creator does not exist, atheism is not natural to the human mind. The ancients were wrong in that they thought that some big person in the sky was making it thunder,however the ancients were not wrong in that they recognized that an intelligent power had to be behind our world.Just a quick note about CatherineAnne's "Free Gift of Salvation" comment:
Too many christians assume an atheist is someone who believes God exists and simply reject him. This is not the case. I didn't make a choice to be an atheist, I can't choose to believe that God exists any more than you can choose to believe, really, sincerely believe, that I am in fact 14 feet tall and made of Camembert. In this respect, it is not a "free gift", it comes with conditions attached, conditions which, if God existed, I would be unable to fulfil.
Sure you can, our world screams at us that it is a creation,
it takes a determined effort to live in this world and believe that a creator does not exist,
atheism is not natural to the human mind.
The ancients were wrong in that they thought that some big person in the sky was making it thunder,however the ancients were not wrong in that they recognized that an intelligent power had to be behind our world.
Sure you can, our world screams at us that it is a creation,it takes a determined effort to live in this world and believe that a creator does not exist, atheism is not natural to the human mind.
And, to round up the night...
Quite right. It is very late, and I must go, or I will never get up in time for Mass.
Goodnight, God bless, all.
Bible teaches hell by default and that God does not want any to enter hell even to the point of suffering and dying for the persons wrongs so that they do not have to go,however the person has to chose God in this life. That is the clinker,the individual HAS TO CHOSE GOD,if they do not chose God in this life than the death for wrongs that God endured does not apply for that person, that is the rules,sorry but they cannot be changed so all who die without coming to God through faith in Christ go to hell by default. What is horrible is that people will not come to God while they can.I don't understand how anyone with an ounce of morality would be happy to enter heaven if they knew that outside it is a lake of fire, full of tormented souls, some of them their close friends and even family.
The only moral choice in such an eventuality would be to jump into the lake of fire, in preference to worshipping Sadist God for all eternity.
Fortunately for believers such as myself, it is not possible for man to be more moral than God is. Lucky, that. Therefore, if I am capable of not being a sadist, then it is impossible for God to be one.
Bible teaches hell by default and that God does not want any to enter hell even to the point of suffering and dying for the persons wrongs so that they do not have to go,however the person has to chose God in this life. That is the clinker,the individual HAS TO CHOSE GOD,if they do not chose God in this life than the death for wrongs that God endured does not apply for that person, that is the rules,sorry but they cannot be changed so all who die without coming to God through faith in Christ go to hell by default. What is horrible is that people will not come to God while they can.
Sure you can, our world screams at us that it is a creation,it takes a determined effort to live in this world and believe that a creator does not exist, atheism is not natural to the human mind. The ancients were wrong in that they thought that some big person in the sky was making it thunder,however the ancients were not wrong in that they recognized that an intelligent power had to be behind our world.
The data is between your ears if you will listen to it.Begging the question.
It's no effort at all
Either you provide some data for this or it's begging the question.
And, to round up the night... begging the question.
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