How Should We Treat Minor-Attracted People?

[TNF_13]

If you have been tracking this, pedophilia is a sexual attraction that is separate from acting upon it. Having said attraction is not a choice, acting upon it is a choice. According to the DSM-5 and several other sources, like the statements of researchers and Interpol (see here, page 86), the distress and interpersonal difficulty that arises is the disordered part, not the attraction itself because of itself, the attraction causes no distress. It is the severe societal attitudes, internal beliefs/cognitive dissonance, and self-abasement that leads to that distress.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

It is the severe societal attitudes, internal beliefs/cognitive dissonance, and self-abasement that leads to that distress.

...and such are normal and healthy. The attraction is not.

 

[TNF_13]

...and such are normal and healthy. The attraction is not.

I think you have that backwards. People thinking they are a monster is most certainly not healthy.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

It is if they are monsters.

 

[TNF_13]

So, let me get this straight. As Christians, we should dub people monsters because we refuse to empathize with where they are coming from and the fact they never chose what they were attracted to.

Is that right?

 

[pakicetus]

It is if they are monsters.

Pretty sure this is not what Christians are supposed to think of our neighbors.

 

[Christie insb]

Irrelevant to this thread.

I don't think so. They are still capable of seriously harming people, and maybe what was lacking in testosterone could be made up for in rage for being mutilated.

 

[TNF_13]

I don't think so. They are still capable of seriously harming people, and maybe what was lacking in testosterone could be made up for in rage for being mutilated.

The question this thread asks is not, "Are minor-attracted people ticking time bombs?" It asks how we should treat them as human beings.

 

[TNF_13]

I suppose if you really think we should just cut the testicles off of people who have harmed no one and are not likely to, then that answers the question: Treat them like animals.

I, however, think Christ takes a far different approach. Look at how he treated lepers, who were viewed as unclean for having a skin condition they did not choose as the result of disease. He ate with sinners and tax collectors.

I think the question I asked is very straightforward: Love them. Be friends with them, get to know them, treat them as human beings, and do not shun them because of fear or stigma. But apparently, we would rather view MAPs as a risk to children, worthy of castration, hate, fear, and prejudice. Apparently, Christ's death for us while we were sinners has not penetrated our hearts enough to view other human beings as human enough to love them with the same love He showed us.

Is this really the best reply we can come up with? Pedophiles are sinning because they have pedophilia, and we should castrate them?

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

I suppose if you really think we should just cut the testicles off of people who have harmed no one and are not likely to, then that answers the question: Treat them like animals.

Not likely to? Questionable judgement to say the least...

Is this really the best reply we can come up with? Pedophiles are sinning because they have pedophilia, and we should castrate them?

Not because they are sinning, but because they are dangerous to society's children, and hence to its future.

 

[jacks]

We should treat them like anyone else who is sinning. Pray for them and if they repent forgive them. This is of course easier said than done.

 

[Zoii]

I have personal experience in this. I dont have an issue with an adult being attracted to a minor. You can be 12-15 and be really pretty so - Ok thats going to be noticed and age doesnt eliminate that you only notice someone is attractive when they suddenly turn 16-18.

But its very different to plot how you will act on it. I exclude the group where the guy is say 18-19 and the girl is 15. That might be illegal but for me its not a relationship thats predatory. When you're younger, like 12, you're especially vulnerable, physically, emotionally and intellectually. You dont see the storm that's coming your way. This is why those who have a position of authority over young minors are particularly heinous when they become predatory.

So how do we treat them - thats like - how do we treat diabetes...some with diet and some with tablets and some with injections. Most guys who are older but see someone aged 13 thats pretty n attractive will acknowledge it mentally and move on.... no treatment required. Others will start hatching more predatory thoughts but battle against acting on it - they need an avenue to be open about it and get counselling. Those who start acting on it need to face criminal prosecution and also get counselling. But those who are at the extreme end of rape, violence, abduction - I have some very dark thoughts for that cohort.

Lastly I just wanna say that while its important this group of mainly men get help if they start hatching plots, its the victims who bear the life-long scars of paedophile actions.

 

[High Fidelity]

It is wrong, but at the same time when society has widely accepted homosexuality as well as countless other perversions as not just normal, but heroic at points, can that same widely-accepting society criticise a person attracted to minors(provided they don't act on it) without being a hypocrite?

The typical and obvious argument concerning homosexuality is that it's(typically) between consenting adults if it's acted upon, but it often leaves out the preceding variable which is attraction itself. Regarding minors, both acts are looked down upon, whether they act on that attraction or not.

Both are wrong, but I do think it's ironic how one is normalised and the other isn't, even partially, by many of the people that are welcoming of homosexuality and other sexual perversions.

 

[TNF_13]

Not likely to? Questionable judgement to say the least...

Questionable? Go to this thread, and we can discuss just how questionable the facts are around this issue:

How Can We Ethically Prevent Child Sexual Abuse?

Not because they are sinning, but because they are dangerous to society's children, and hence to its future.

Then go to my other thread and prove it. You have given your answer: We should treat innocent people like subhumans. Now go to my other thread, and we can discuss just how we keep children safe.

 

[TNF_13]

I have personal experience in this. I dont have an issue with an adult being attracted to a minor. You can be 12-15 and be really pretty so - Ok thats going to be noticed and age doesnt eliminate that you only notice someone is attractive when they suddenly turn 16-18.

But its very different to plot how you will act on it. I exclude the group where the guy is say 18-19 and the girl is 15. That might be illegal but for me its not a relationship thats predatory. When you're younger, like 12, you're especially vulnerable, physically, emotionally and intellectually. You dont see the storm that's coming your way. This is why those who have a position of authority over young minors are particularly heinous when they become predatory.

So how do we treat them - thats like - how do we treat diabetes...some with diet and some with tablets and some with injections. Most guys who are older but see someone aged 13 thats pretty n attractive will acknowledge it mentally and move on.... no treatment required. Others will start hatching more predatory thoughts but battle against acting on it - they need an avenue to be open about it and get counselling. Those who start acting on it need to face criminal prosecution and also get counselling. But those who are at the extreme end of rape, violence, abduction - I have some very dark thoughts for that cohort.

Lastly I just wanna say that while its important this group of mainly men get help if they start hatching plots, its the victims who bear the life-long scars of paedophile actions.

Maybe discuss actions in my other thread:

How Can We Ethically Prevent Child Sexual Abuse?

This thread is for people who have done nothing.

 

[TNF_13]

It is wrong, but at the same time when society has widely accepted homosexuality as well as countless other perversions as not just normal, but heroic at points, can that same widely-accepting society criticise a person attracted to minors(provided they don't act on it) without being a hypocrite?

The typical and obvious argument concerning homosexuality is that it's(typically) between consenting adults if it's acted upon, but it often leaves out the preceding variable which is attraction itself. Regarding minors, both acts are looked down upon, whether they act on that attraction or not.

Both are wrong, but I do think it's ironic how one is normalised and the other isn't, even partially, by many of the people that are welcoming of homosexuality and other sexual perversions.

Pedophilia is not an act. Please read the OP.

 

[Zoii]

Maybe discuss actions in my other thread:

How Can We Ethically Prevent Child Sexual Abuse?

This thread is for people who have done nothing.

Oh sorry about that

 

[Christie insb]

The question this thread asks is not, "Are minor-attracted people ticking time bombs?" It asks how we should treat them as human beings.

My comment was in response to someone suggesting that castration was an appropriate way to deal with offenders. I am not in favor of that penalty.

 

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