How should we keep the Sabbath holy?

[HARK!]

What do you think a covenant is and how does what is included in the old covenant differ from that which is in the new covenant?

This doesn't answer my question.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ Matthew 4:4 says man does not live by bread alone but every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God and again to him that knows to do good and does not do it to him it is sin - James 4:17. What do you think these scriptures are saying and does your answer then mean that breaking anyone of the 10 is not sin?

Your response here...

Observance of the New Moons is not outlined in the 10, nor is the prohibition of homosexuality. Again, does it stop at the 10; or might there be other possible transgressions?

And this addresses anything in the post you are responding to how exactly? It doesn't

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ What do you think a covenant is and how does what is included in the old covenant differ from that which is in the new covenant?

Your response here...

This doesn't answer my question.

Agreed, this doesn't answer my question to you in the post you are quoting from above.

 

[HARK!]

So we are talking about the same thing what argument of mine would that be that you believe I have not explained?

See post 177. It's a simple question, worthy of a definitive answer.

 

[HARK!]

Agreed, this doesn't answer my question to you in the post you are quoting from above.

Nice dodge.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

See post 177. It's a simple question, worthy of a definitive answer.

DITTO, see post # 182; 196; 197; 199; 202; 203. While your post was directly answered in post # 187.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Nice dodge.

There was no dodging you did not answer the question in the post you were quoting from (see post # 203).

 

[HARK!]

DITTO, see post # 182; 196; 197; 199; 202; 203. While your post was directly answered in post # 187.

I saw those already. It started back on 177; and goes round, and round, and round.

This cognitive dissonance of your argument has been exposed.

My work here is done.

Thanks for playing.

 

[HARK!]

There was no dodging you did not answer the question in the post you were quoting from (see post 203).

Questions are not answers to questions. I started the questioning; and I have not been provided with any satisfactory answers.

It's OK. I still had fun.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I saw those already. It started back on 177; and goes round, and round, and round. This cognitive dissonance of your argument has been exposed. My work here is done. Thanks for playing.

Not really. Your post was directly answered in post # 187. The other posts were asking for clarification your side as to what was previously posted in regards to God's Word showing that the Sabbath is a day of worship that you simply chose to ignore. Your accusations of inconsistent thoughts and beliefs (cognitive dissonance), I believe are your side not mine which is why I have provided scripture and asked you questions that you refuse to enter into a two-way discussion with me based on the scriptures. So I guess we will agree to disagree on your claims here.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Questions are not answers to questions. I started the questioning; and I have not been provided with any satisfactory answers.
It's OK. I still had fun.

Discussion and questions go two ways not one way. All the questions asked of you were relevant to the discussion. Just because you do not like an answer does not mean the answer provided was not truthful or relevant to the discussion.

 

[HARK!]

Discussion and questions go two ways not one way. All the questions asked of you were relevant to the discussion. Just because you do not like an answer does not mean the answer provided was not truthful or relevant to the discussion.

It was not my intent to have a discussion. I made a simple inquiry; but that's OK. If I had put forth such a contradictory presentation; I might have been tempted to change the subject too. However, I would have more likely just abstained from responding to the question, or thanked the person who posed the question, for helping me to see the truth more clearly.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Questions are not answers to questions. I started the questioning; and I have not been provided with any satisfactory answers. It's OK. I still had fun.

Then provide answers and not questions or do both and enter into a two way friendly discussion based on the scriptures. Love is a fruit of the Spirit of God and without it we are nothing..

 

[LoveGodsWord]

It was not my intent to have a discussion. I made a simple inquiry; but that's OK. If I had put forth such a contradictory presentation; I might have been tempted to change the subject too. However, I would have more likely just abstained from responding to the question, or thanked the person who posed the question, for helping me to see the truth more clearly.

I respectfully disagree. For me I just see in your post here more empty words and accusations. Talk specifics and detail please and lets' examine your claims in detail in a friendly discussion or is this something you would rather us not investigate? Perhaps you can start of by showing why you believe that post # 187 does not directly answer your question as I believe it does. If you enter in to a friendly two way discussion HARK! you might get better answers to your questions and if there is not something I have understood in the question you have asked you should be kind enough to provide clarification.

 

[HARK!]

Not really. Your post was directly answered in post # 187.

No it wasn't. You might want to go back and reread post 177.

A wise man once told me that it is unwise to answer a question, until one understands the question.

Here is the question:

"Well if the scripture that you presented is passe; then how does it support your argument?"

Now if you say that the verses that you cited, are no longer applicable; then how on earth can you simultaneously make an argument that they are applicable?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No it wasn't. You might want to go back and reread post 177.

A wise man once told me that it is unwise to answer a question, until one understands the question.

Here is the question:

"Well if the scripture that you presented is passe; then how does it support your argument?"

Now if you say that the verses that you cited, are no longer applicable; then how on earth can you simultaneously make an argument that they are applicable.

Let's do a little recap shall we and put the discussion in context...

Your question was in regards to a post and scriptures provided to someone else earlier from that shows that God says that the Sabbath is a day of worship. I posted these scriptures to show that God's 4th commandment Sabbath according to God is a day of worship.

EZEKIEL 46:1-3 [1], THUS SAID THE LORD GOD; The gate of the inner court that looks toward the east shall be shut the six working days; BUT ON THE SABBATH IT SHALL BE OPENED, AND IN THE DAY OF THE NEW MOON IT SHALL BE OPENED. [2], And the prince shall enter by the way of the porch of that gate without, and shall stand by the post of the gate, and the priests shall prepare his burnt offering and his peace offerings, and HE SHALL WORSHIP AT THE THRESHOLD OF THE GATE: THEN HE SHALL GO FORTH; BUT THE GATE SHALL NOT BE SHUT UNTIL THE EVENING. [3], Likewise THE PEOPLE OF THE LAND SHALL WORSHIP AT THE DOOR OF THIS GATE BEFORE THE LORD IN THE SABBATHS and in the new moons.

and again here....

ISAIAH 66:22-23 [22], For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, SAID THE LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. [23], And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and FROM ONE SABBATH TO ANOTHER, SHALL ALL FLESH COME TO WORSHIP BEFORE ME, said the LORD.

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Someone else was trying to make arguments in silence trying to argue that God's 4th commandment is not a day of worship because it was not talked about in the Exodus. Which I responded to this claim by saying...

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ Please see post # 161 linked. Arguments in silence are not an argument to break God's law especially when the scriptures teach that God commands us elsewhere to worship him on the Sabbath (Ezekiel 46:1-3 and Isaiah 66:22-23). As posted earlier we cleared this subject up in regards to worshiping God on the Sabbath, some time ago by looking at the scriptures and defining what it means to worship God from the scriptures in post # 70 linked and post # 81 linked.

We worship God by believing and following what Gods Word says and God tells us to worship him on the Sabbath in Ezekiel 46:1-3 and Isaiah 66:22-23. We should not base our arguments on things that a silent in the scriptures. What we do know is that Gods' people kept the Sabbath and God tells us that by keeping the Sabbath we worship him. That is all we need to know isn't it?

How does what you are suggesting from something not recorded in one section of the bible but directly recorded in other sections of the bible effect the scriptures that are recorded in regards to God telling us to worship Him on the Sabbath? - It doesn't. I am not sure why you cannot see this so we will agree to disagree unless you want to discuss my posts and questions to which you agreed to earlier.

To which you responded for the first time with and off topic response to the sabbath as a day of "worship" with...

Both of these passages are prophetic, and speak of future times. Should we live in the shadow of things to come? Should we do his will on earth, as it is in heaven?

I responded with as well as asking you for clarification in regards to the Sabbath as a day of worship that we were previously discussing...

Isaiah 66:22-23 is talking about Sabbath worship in the new earth. Ezekiel 46:1-3 applies worship to the Sabbath now not in the future. That does not mean that all of Ezekiel 46 does not have dual future applications (prophetic) prior to the second coming. Just so I understand what your saying if you do not mind me asking, is your view Gods Word does not teach we are to worship God on the Sabbath HARK!? I do not believe God's 4th commandment is a "shadow" of anything because it points backwards to the finished work of creation (Exodus 20:8-11) before there was any sin or laws (Genesis 2:1-3), not forward to things to come *Colossians 2:17.

Your response was to not answer anything that was asked of you while seeking to change the topic and subject matter away from Sabbath worship to new moons here....

Both of those passages also mention observance of YHWH's New Moons. Do you also regard YHWH's New Moons, along with His Sabbaths?

To which was responded to in a friendly manner here...

Not in the new covenant. According to the scriptures, the new moons are for times and seasons *Genesis 1:14-19. In the old covenant the new moons were used to determine the times and the seasons for the timing of the annual "shadow" Feast days and were linked to the old covenant "shadow laws" for remission of sins which were shadows of things to come that were pointing to and continued in Christ. Was there a reason you did not answer my questions to you in the post you are quoting from? Anyhow no need. You do not have to if you do not want to.

You response was to further avoid my original question to you by further seeking to change the discussion subject matter here...

HARK! said: ↑ Well if the scripture that you presented is passe; then how does it support your argument?

Now after pressing you a few more time in relation to my earlier questions in regards to God's Sabbath as a day of worship and asking for your input which was the context of the conversation you commented on I decided to directly answer your post here...

None of the questions asked of you that you refuse to answer were suppose to answer your question. I am not answering anymore of your off topic questions HARK! if you refuse to answer mine. I already posted to you that God's 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath of God's 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is in the new covenant is not passe because it is one of God's 10 commandments that gives us the knowledge of good and evil *Romans 3:4. The new moon is not one of God's 10 commandments. It is for determining times and seasons to determine the starting times of the annual "shadow Feasts". We still observe the new moons for times and seasons today but we no longer provide animal sacrifices and sin offerings all of which are the shadows of things to come that pointed to and are fulfilled and continued in Christ in the new covenant. This is a pretty straight forward answer to your question HARK!

So perhaps you can tell me how it is not you that is not answering my questions when I was the one who first asked you my questions that were in regards to the original conversation on the Sabbath being a day of worship, and how it is not you who was seeking to change the subject matter of the conversation from the Sabbath as a day of worship to new moons, and how I did not directly answer your question that was off topic changing the topic of the discussion I was having on the Sabbath as a day of worship with someone else?

Take care.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Now if you say that the verses that you cited, are no longer applicable; then how on earth can you simultaneously make an argument that they are applicable?

Here let me answer your question directly again. I never said that those scriptures are no longer applicable. Perhaps you have a misunderstanding. The Sabbath is not a "shadow law". It is Gods' eternal law written with the finger of God on tables of stone that give us the knowledge of what sin is in the new covenant *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7. The new moon is still used for times and seasons but not for animal sacrifice that were shadows of things to come under Gods' new covenant promise that pointed to Jesus and is continued in him based on better promises *see Hebrews 7:1-25: Hebrews 8:1-13.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

We should honor the sabbath by going to Church every sunday.

God defined the Sabbath to be on the seventh day, not the first day. Jesus as our example went to the Temples on the seventh day Sabbath as well.

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written:

18 “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are oppressed;
19 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.”

20 Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him. 21 And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.” 22 So all bore witness to Him, and marveled at the gracious words which proceeded out of His mouth. And they said, “Is this not Joseph’s son?”


There is no scripture that references the first day as God's holy day, a day God blessed or sanctified. This is a tradition that was passed down by the Roman Catholic Church, which is why you won't find any scripture references to Sunday being God's Sabbath or His holy day that He wants us to also keep holy.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You haven't wasted my time. I enjoyed exposing your argument that relies on scripture, which mandates observance of YHWH's New Moon.

Good times!

Esteem to our heavenly Father.

Hi HARK!

Isaiah 66:23 does not say New Moon Festivals, it says from one new moon to another, which back then they used moons to describe the months and it could also be a festival, but here is referring to the month.

Isaiah 66:23
New Living Translation
“All humanity will come to worship me from week to week and from month to month.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And it shall be from the time of month to month and from the time of Sabbath to Sabbath, everybody shall come to worship before me, says LORD JEHOVAH

Many believe when we get to Heaven God will restore the months to be 28 days so every month will also be on the Sabbath, there is nothing that says this in the Bible, but I tend to agree with it, but we shall see.

Is the definition of new moon here what you disagree with? Just trying to understand the argument

God bless

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Is the definition of new moon here what you disagree with? Just trying to understand the argument God bless

Hi sis . My question would be, why bother though? It is simply a change of topic to a previous discussion on the Sabbath being a day of worship according to the scriptures, which was the main conversation earlier, so it is only a distraction and a change of subject to what the earlier conversation was in my view.