How Quick we are to Judge!

Fate276 · Nov 10, 2004

Leviticus 15:22 "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

Why is this sin so much more important than...

Leviticus 19:27 "Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard."

It's very easy to point a finger and be judgmental at others isn't it?

Beoga · Nov 10, 2004

Fate276 said:
Leviticus 15:22 "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

Why is this sin so much more important than...

Leviticus 19:27 "Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard."

It's very easy to point a finger and be judgmental at others isn't it?

from my understanding, your first verse is addressed in the new covenent, while the second one isn't.
i don't know how well this holds up, because i can't think of the top of my head (hehe) on whether there are some things mentioned in the old convenent, that aren't specifically addressed in the new covenent that many christians still follow today.

what is your purpose for this thread?

Lyle · Nov 10, 2004

That sin is so much more imortant and hated on several grounds..

A). It's a commandment given to the people
B). In distorts God'spicture of marriage. Throughout the Bible God does not enjoy His pictures being messed with. It distorts the picture of Christ and the Church and in the area ofheadship...

The second verse you pointed out...

It was given to the priests in regards to their lives.. Not as a commandment to the people..

Fate276 · Nov 10, 2004

littleapologist said:
from my understanding, your first verse is addressed in the new covenent, while the second one isn't.
i don't know how well this holds up, because i can't think of the top of my head (hehe) on whether there are some things mentioned in the old convenent, that aren't specifically addressed in the new covenent that many christians still follow today.

what is your purpose for this thread?

These both come from the same page of the OT. The first, "Unlawful Sexual Relations", and the second, "Various Laws." The purpose for this thread is to point out the fact that so many Christians pick and choose which laws appeal to them and disregard the rest and then judge others. Take a look at The other thread that I posted with a different subject title,"Why so much emphasis on one sin?" You will find some other input there as well. God Bless you!

Fate276 · Nov 10, 2004

Lyle said:
That sin is so much more imortant and hated on several grounds..

A). It's a commandment given to the people
B). In distorts God'spicture of marriage. Throughout the Bible God does not enjoy His pictures being messed with. It distorts the picture of Christ and the Church and in the area ofheadship...

The second verse you pointed out...

It was given to the priests in regards to their lives.. Not as a commandment to the people..

How interesting.

1. Hate is a strong word for a Christian who's number one commandment given by Jesus was to love.
2. They were both commandments given to the people. The first, under "Unlawful Sexual Relations," and the second, "Various Laws".
3. "Speak to the entire assembly of Israel and say to them...Do not cut the hair at the side of your head or clip off the edges of your beard." Says nothing about to the priests.
4. Just curious, you mentioned messing with God's idea of the Church, how do you feel about the wonderful world of Western Christianity? I don't think it's anything to be proud of.

Buzz Dixon · Nov 11, 2004

Fate276 said:
Leviticus 15:22 "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

Why is this sin so much more important than...

Leviticus 19:27 "Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard."

It's very easy to point a finger and be judgmental at others isn't it?

...uh...you do realize Leviticus is the rule book for the Levites, the priest tribe of the Hebrews, and as such was far stricter than regular Jewish law for the other 11 tribes?

And that the Hebrews, being the Chosen People, had an extra-diffcult set of rules to follow above and beyond the Ten Commandments in order to separate them fro other follwoers of God...?

And that the other followers of God (and there were plenty in the region; check out Exodus and Joshua for specific references) were only required to follow the Ten Commandments...?

And that pagans who followed the Noahide Laws were tolerated by God...?

Fate276 · Nov 11, 2004

Buzz, So the rules only apply for a few people? So only the Levites couldn't be gay?

Buzz Dixon · Nov 11, 2004

Fate276 said:
Buzz, So the rules only apply for a few people? So only the Levites couldn't be gay?

No, the Levites most expecially couldn't practice homosexual behavior.

The Bible never condemns people for their orientation. It condemns behaviors. It also condemns deliberately choosing to dwell on something that is forbidden, such as anger, hatred, lust, etc. (Well, lust is okay if directed at one's spouse or fiance.)

The Bible isn't a book on how to get one's jollies. The Bible is a book on how to live a Godly life. In the Old Testament it was through the Law. In the New Testament it was through grace, after which we choose to restrain ourselves from behavior that God has declared immoral.

Modern day culture thinks it's unique it placing worship of the self and pleasuring through hedonism as the apex of human existence. That philosophy is ancient and has always collapsed upon itself.

philosopherthales · Nov 11, 2004

Why isn't "thou shalt not have homosexual relations" in the group of 10 commandments? It seems that being put in this list makes a restriction more important. Though, it seems to have been less important to God to include than "thou shalt not lie". Why is homosexuality emphasized now-a-days more than lying?

Mustaphile · Nov 12, 2004

Why is homosexuality emphasized now-a-days more than lying?

Because it gets votes?

Mustaphile · Nov 12, 2004

philosopherthales said:
Why isn't "thou shalt not have homosexual relations" in the group of 10 commandments? It seems that being put in this list makes a restriction more important. Though, it seems to have been less important to God to include than "thou shalt not lie". Why is homosexuality emphasized now-a-days more than lying?

I find the whole thing slightly hypocritical myself, don't worry.

I think homosexuality is something that people can point at and say, what they are doing is a sin. Therefore it's a good method of making themselves look holier by casting aspersions on others. I think there is even a scripture in the New Testament that talks of such behaviour. If homosexuality was an invisible sin, like some ot the others, then it would not rate a mention. We don't hear calls to have pastors who touch removed from their positions (not that I share conservative values on masturbation, but you get the idea). If its out of sight, its off the radar. I think there is even an element of fear that it might be contagious.

Others have genuine concerns based on their convictions of course, and its pretty hard to get around that.

I would hope that one day people could just accept others with open arms despite the sin and in particular the more visible sins (or perceived sins, depending on your belief on the matter)

creep · Nov 12, 2004

peolple have a habit of picking one thing thats topical and hammering into it, like the nazi's and the jews.it gives them some anchorage,and thus something to be against. some people are never happy unless they're complaining.
and i suppose some people would take it as a personal threat on their masculinity and be intimidated by it because they don't undertand it

MoodyBlue · Nov 12, 2004

Mustaphile said:
Because it gets votes?

Ain't that the truth!

Emmy · Nov 12, 2004

Dear Fate 276,more and more Christian men and women know now that we must not judge,only God judges.God sees our hearts,God knows whether we sin because we are weak,or just are blatantly disobedient.We have free will to do what we like,but there will always be a price to be paid,no matter what we choose,everything has its consequences,good deeds as well as bad ones.God loves us,and He has also given us Laws to live by(for our own good);break one of God`s Laws,and pay for it.That is God`s decree,and it stands forever.Sincere greetings from Emmy,a sister in Christ.

Natman · Nov 12, 2004

philosopherthales said:
Why isn't "thou shalt not have homosexual relations" in the group of 10 commandments? It seems that being put in this list makes a restriction more important. Though, it seems to have been less important to God to include than "thou shalt not lie". Why is homosexuality emphasized now-a-days more than lying?

It IS.

"Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself"

and

"Thou shalt have no God's before Me."

Sincerely in Christ,
Nate

philosopherthales · Nov 12, 2004

I do not understand. How is homosexuality worshipping another god? How is a homosexual person not loving other people as himself? Ohhh, by the way, if love thy neighbor as thy self was a commandment, then we all fail miserably

Natman · Nov 12, 2004

philosopherthales said:
I do not understand. How is homosexuality worshipping another god? How is a homosexual person not loving other people as himself? Ohhh, by the way, if love thy neighbor as thy self was a commandment, then we all fail miserably

If you love "your neighbor", would you do things that would willfully harm him physically and spiritually? Would you willfully inject disease and pestulance into his body in areas that are not designed to cope with it, tearing and destroying tissues and causing irreparable damage? Would you willfully reduce his average lifespan? Would you cause him to live in a lifestyle that God refers to as an "abomination"? Knowing God's position on the issue, would you continue to do it anyway, in selfish self-satisfaction, affectively placing yourself and your desires above God's, thereby making those desires your god?

BTW, this applies to both homosexual and herosexual relationships alike.

Son-cerely,
Nate

k · Nov 13, 2004

Natman said:
It IS.

"Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself"

and

"Thou shalt have no God's before Me."

Sincerely in Christ,
Nate

It seems both of these Commandments may be willfully shifted to fit into one's position. How do we know exactly what "love thy neighbor as self" means? Maybe it means respecting your neighbor's privacy as you would like your neighbor to respect yours?

To say that being gay is to "cause" someone to sin seems absurd because both people are willfull participants. It's no different than if someone offered me cocaine. If I snort it do I say to God, "Lord, he caused me to sin" or do I say "Lord, forgive me for I have sinned." I think the Adam/Eve scenario anwsers that question.

For the second one, every single one of us is guilty of this. Because to have NO desires of self means to have absolutely NO ego, and when we reach that point, we are no longer human.

It is our self righteousness that makes us quick to judge.

repentandbelieve · Nov 13, 2004

Fate276 said:
Leviticus 15:22 "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

Why is this sin so much more important than...

Leviticus 19:27 "Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard."

It's very easy to point a finger and be judgmental at others isn't it?

The penalties for transgressing the various laws given in Leviticus differed.

Leviticus 20:13 says that men who lay together must be put to death. People who turned to mediums and spiritist were to be cut off from their people.

Leviticus 21:5 specifically points out that "preist" must not shave their heads or clip the edges of their beards.

I could be wrong, but I think that it is safe to conclude that men who shaved their heads or clipped the edges of their beards were denied preisthood and perhaps also cut off from their people.

Chrono Traveler · Nov 13, 2004

hehe, i don't mean to ofend, but I thought many christians view all sin as equal...clearly, that is not true tho...

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