How old is the world?

[1denomination]

I appoligize for any judgement of faith. After reading my post i realize how that can be derived, but it is totally not intended. simply trying to make a point that there are count less threads with people arguing this topic and as far as i can see is that it boils down to one thing and that is do you or dont you belive, because my guess is that darwin wasnt a christian but a least he made a decision. truthfully I think that people are spending to much time reading science books and not enough time reading the bible. This whole evolution thing has led more people astray than anything else that i know about, mind you i have no facts just opinion but of course i guess thats what all these arguments boil down to anyway. but whatever ......... and to think this was just going to be an appology...........well god bless

 

[rmwilliamsll]

I appoligize for any judgement of faith. After reading my post i realize how that can be derived, but it is totally not intended. simply trying to make a point that there are count less threads with people arguing this topic and as far as i can see is that it boils down to one thing and that is do you or dont you belive, because my guess is that darwin wasnt a christian but a least he made a decision. truthfully I think that people are spending to much time reading science books and not enough time reading the bible. This whole evolution thing has led more people astray than anything else that i know about, mind you i have no facts just opinion but of course i guess thats what all these arguments boil down to anyway. but whatever ......... and to think this was just going to be an appology...........well god bless

look at a few of the possible ways a conflict between science and theology COULD be solved.

theology flees into a fideism, that says something like:
the spiritual world is perceived ONLY by faith, not by reason. It is not only beyond reason, but often contrary to reason. Therefore to be faithful to God REQUIRES an adherence to the foolish/unreasonable/irrational etc.

theology engages with science. learning from it where it can. Believing this world is God's and reflects His attributes of rationality and reasonableness. but likewise understanding that faith exceeds reason, extrareasonable, but not irrational. It builds on reason, but goes where reason is unable to proceed.

it is these kinds of differences that make the discussion valuable and spiritually uplifting as we sort out the arguments and try to 'think God's thoughts after Him'.

 

[Vance]

1denomination:

I very much appreciate your attempt not to be judgmental. That is refreshing among young earth creationists.

I think what you need to realize is that someone can read the Bible intensely, often, with complete awe and reverence for God's Word, and with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and come to the conclusion that Genesis 1 and 2 is meant to be read non-literally.

That those who believe this, and thus accept evolution and an old earth, are just as deeply spiritual, as strong in their faith, and as committed to the cause of spreading the Gospel as you are.

That it is not the teaching of an old earth and evolution that cause problems with faith, but the teaching that if Scripture is true, then evolution is not true (which means the opposite as well). For those who do not see a conflict (which is most of Christianity), there is no crisis of faith. So, who is teaching the conflict?

 

[PaladinValer]

The Earth is ~4.5 billion years old, as already stated. There really isn't, as such, a valid option in the poll.

 

[1denomination]

This is a qoute of some thing i read earlier i dont know their name but its something to show the point I was trying to make earlier

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"The Earth was not created by God or any divine being. The Earth was created over millions of years. The solar system started as a huge dust cloud spinning around a central axis. this axis became heavier and denser and hotter, eventually contracting in on itself and created the sun. the sun carried on spinning and all the left over dust spun with it. this dust started to combine into larger and large objects...eventually rocks. these continued to orbit the sun and collide. after some years you had planets. including the earth. (admitidly i must have missed out alot of technicalities but thats the basics)
There is so much evidence and proof of this that a God is not needed. If an omnipotent God exists why would he/she/it/whatever spend billions of years creating the Earth and eventually life and even more eventually human life when with omnipotent power he could have created it instantly?
many religious people mock science but it's science that has made it possible for us to communicate over the internet, to fly around the world and create Atom bombs to kill people. Creationists and many religious people agree to science when it suits them but hate it when it challenges your ageold beliefs.
If the life time of our planet was show as a 24hour clock. Human beings would only have existed in the last minute of the last hour. from that perspective we seem pretty insignificant...don't you agree?
The only reason religious people dislike science is that they fear that it'll explain the world through truth and render your beliefs obsolete. "
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It seems to me that all this science is standing in the way of many people seeing the light. There once was a time when people took the bible at face value and belived what it said because it was Gods word.i refuse to miss science with my religion because the scientist want me to belive that religion is a waste of time. God bless

 

[Vance]

Yes, that is the atheistic belief in origins. And this must be combatted. But we must combat it with religious truth, not just by disputing the scientific realities to be contrary to them. What is true is true, and if we continue to deny it is true doesn't not help our cause in reaching them in the least. Better to recognize the truth about the age of the earth and explain how this does not invalidate Christianity in the least.

 

[ChristianCandy]

I believe Creation (Adam & Eve) is only 6,000 yrs. old, however that the earth is very old & is 4.5 billion yrs. old.


Huh? Both?


Yep. It's called the "Gap" Theory. Basically we have bones & fossils of mankind which pre-date Adam & Eve. But when the Ice Age came, it wiped out all of the old creation (the old world) & God started again on a very old earth with a new creation, Adam & Eve.

The evidence is in the DNA of the old skeletons of the people in the old world called Neanderthals. Their DNA are totally unrelated to us (homo sapiens) & unrelated to Adam & Eve.

To read more about the gap theory:

http://www.kjvbible.org/

Science & Religion can (at last) both be right!

 

[mhess13]

the gap theory causes more problems thean it solves. But I'd rather someone believe that than theistic evolution. I used to be a gap theorist, but I came around to YEC

http://www.theyoungearth.com/ayoungearth/id52.html
http://www.theyoungearth.com/ayoungearth/id50.html
http://www.theyoungearth.com/ayoungearth/id25.html

 

[versastyle]

the gap theory causes more problems thean it solves. But I'd rather someone believe that than theistic evolution. I used to be a gap theorist, but I came around to YEC

Why hold a strong position at all? Why bicker about meaningless histories?

[font=verdana,arial,helvetica]Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do. 1 Timothy 1:4[/font]

 

[TwinCrier]

YECers make no serious attempts to falsify the theory.

I have tried wholeheartedly to falseify creation. Unfortunately when I became born again, I lost the desire to do so.