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Nope. There is no firmament, we are not from literal dust, the world was not created in 6 literal days, its not 6,000 years old, its not flat, stars, moon, sun are not in the firmament and we do not use kidneys for thinking.That is what makes the Bible so amazing. Moses could not have known any of that and still there are no contradictions. True Science agrees 100% with the Bible.
Instead of wild speculations what God could do with Moses, we should focus on the genre of Genesis, which is clearly mythological, not scientific.Moses spent so much time with God, his face was literally radiating light. He had to wear a veil because it was too overwhelming to others to look at. It seems to me that you're working with a notion somewhere, that there are limitations as to what God is able to accomplish in and through man.
Thats not how it works. And they made amount of copy errors. They even lost whole books and other books (like Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel...) have multiple versions, even full chapters being different.The Hebrew is very precise. That is why they could go hundreds and thousands of years with no copy errors.
Yes, you should look at it as their description, but you are still reading it as if it was our description, from today's textbooks.I’ll look at it as their historical description and you can look at it as a mythological description. Either way based on the Bible the earth was created in 6 days approximately 6000 years ago.
Do you think if you spent extensive time literally in the presence of God, it would make no difference in how much you knew and understood beforehand? That you wouldn't have gained additional knowledge and insight?He went to "school" in the ancient Egypt, not in today's Zurich.
Why do you still try to think in that way?
Why to speculate? Its useless. Bible clearly does not teach astronomy, molecular biology, electricity, gravity, evolution or anything modern. Actually, it makes the same technical errors as other people of their times, about the natural world.Do you think if you spent extensive time literally in the presence of God, it would make no difference in how much you knew and understood beforehand? That you wouldn't have gained additional knowledge and insight?
That Moses spent extensive time in direct communication with God, is nowhere close to wild speculation.Instead of wild speculations what God could do with Moses, we should focus on the genre of Genesis, which is clearly mythological, not scientific.
Sorry, but there is nothing in the Old Testament about the natural world that was not known in their culture or in other bronze age cultures.That Moses spent extensive time in direct communication with God, is nowhere close to wild speculation.
It's not speculation though. God taught Moses. Directly person to person.Why to speculate? Its useless.
Why would it need to?Bible clearly does not teach astronomy, molecular biology, electricity, gravity, evolution or anything modern.
Like what?Actually, it makes the same technical errors as other people of their times, about the natural world.
What do you think the Bible is about?Sorry, but there is nothing in the Old Testament about the natural world that was not known in their culture or in other bronze age cultures.
Exactly.Why would it need to?
Firmament, lights in firmament, days, men being from dust, woman being from man, genealogies, flat earth, thinking in kidneys, Leviathan/dragons, giants, flood, the tower of babel, eternal waters...Like what?
And what does that have to with the natural world?Monotheism and Messiah.
Not sure what the problem is there.Exactly.
Firmament, lights in firmament, days,
Is an omnipotent God unable to do that?men being from dust,
That's actually more on the scientific side. Some have suggested that Adam's rib could actually be translated as Adam's curve. As in his DNA.woman being from man,
What about them.genealogies,
What book says the earh is flat?flat earth,
eh?thinking in kidneys,
The leviathan was just an animal. Giants like Shaquille O'Neal exist. Floods exist. Towres exist. I don't get the eternal waters reference.Leviathan/dragons, giants, flood, the tower of babel, eternal waters...
Sounds good to me.Exactly. So let us not dig science out of it.
Bible is being discredited not by atheists, but by Christians who do not understand what they are reading and abuse it for their political or naturalistic views.Not sure what the problem is there.
Is an omnipotent God unable to do that?
That's actually more on the scientific side. Some have suggested that Adam's rib could actually be translated as Adam's curve. As in his DNA.
What about them.
What book says the earh is flat?
eh?
The leviathan was just an animal. Giants like Shaquille O'Neal exist. Floods exist. Towres exist. I don't get the eternal waters reference.
Theses all sound like what I usually hear from atheists trying to discredit the Bible.
Sounds like a conspiracy theory.Bible is being discredited not by atheists, but by Christians who do not understand what they are reading and abuse it for their political or naturalistic views.
That's a deflection from answering a few simple questions regarding what you wrote.Regarding the rest, buy a good Bible Dictionary so that you can learn more about these things:
Because Moses and most Hebrew writers had no understanding of billions of years, so their YOWM could never give a detailed description of God's POV of Creation, but I just did it for you. So, the English just put in day I guess because they knew YOWM was referring to some time period, and day is a time period. But YOWM is the proper word, not day.
Sure Yowm can mean a day, but that is not what God meant. Here is the problem no young earth guys can ever solve WHY? Why would God SPEED UP the Laws of Nature for Creation? He lives in ALL TIME at once, God is not impatient, as soon as God spoke creation he lived in the end times, he lived with us in Heaven before we were ever born (LOL), can you grasp that my friend. So, why would a God who lives in ALL TIME need to speed up the Laws of Nature?
The stars lights tell us the Universe is billions of years old. If the Sun and Moon had not of collided we could not live on this earth. We gained a stable satellite, that created the Seasons, Days, Years et. al.
Did you click on any of the links I provided? You’re going by Strong’s concordance numbers which are extremely vague. James strong took all the variations of words and categorized them into one reference number but these different variations often carry with them a different meaning. I don’t understand how you think that I’m referring to English words when I provided the links to biblehub showing the Hebrew word for word translation. And in 2 Kings 17:37 Yovm is not in that verse. No variation of Yovm is in that verse. I don’t know what Hebrew lexicon your using but it’s incorrect on that particular verse.I do not think you grasped what I meant by WORD STUDY as in the origin of the words.
2 Kings 17:37 And the statutes, 2706 and the ordinances, 4941 and the law, 8451 and the commandment, 4687 which x834 he wrote 3789 z8804 for you, ye shall observe 8104 z8799 to do 6213 z8800 for evermore; 3117 x3605 and ye shall not x3808 fear 3372 z8799 other 312 ´élöhîm אֱלֹהִים. 430
This (evermore) is the English translation. The link to the Hebrew word origin is 3117 so in my Hebrew Massoretic Bible i get a link to the original word in Hebrew SEE BELOW:
#3117 יוֹם yowm {yome}
from an unused root meaning to be hot; TWOT - 852; n m
—Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) day, time, year
1a) day (as opposed to night)
1b) day (24 hour period)
1b1) as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1
1b2) as a division of time
1b2a) a working day, a day's journey
1c) days, lifetime (pl.)
1d) time, period (general)
1e) year
1f) temporal references
1f1) today
1f2) yesterday
1f3) tomorrow
—Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
From an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literally (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverbially):—age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever (-lasting, -more), X full, life, as (so) long as (. . . live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, + remaineth, X required, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year (-ly), + younger.
—Strong's (Hebrew & Chaldee Dictionary of the Old Testament)
- #3117.
- יוֹם
- yom (398a); a prim. root; day:—
- NASB - afternoon*(1), age(8), age*(1), all(1), always*(14), amount*(2), battle(1), birthday*(1), Chronicles*(38), completely*(1), continually*(14), course*(1), daily(22), daily the days(1), day(1115), day of the days(1), day that the period(1), day's(6), day's every day(1), daylight*(1), days(635), days on the day(1), days to day(1), days you shall daily(1), days ago(1), days'(11), each(1), each day(4), entire(2), eternity(1), evening*(1), ever in your life*(1), every day(2), fate(1), first(5), forever*(11), forevermore*(1), full(5), full year(1), future*(1), holiday*(3), later*(2), length(1), life(12), life*(1), lifetime(2), lifetime*(1), live(1), long(2), long as i live(1), long*(11), midday*(1), now(5), older*(1), once(2), period(3), perpetually*(2), present(1), recently(1), reigns(1), ripe*(1), short-lived*(1), so long*(1), some time(1), survived*(2), time(45), time*(1), times*(2), today(172), today*(1), usual(1), very old*(1), when(10), when the days(1), whenever(1), while(3), whole(2), year(10), yearly(5), years(13), yesterday*(1).
—NAS Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible with Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek Dictionaries
So, this brings us FULL CIRCLE, what do you mean they do not say YOWM, I am not speaking about the English words my friend. Do you think I do not know how to do simple word studies?
4:3 And in process 7093 x4480 of time 3117 (same NUMBER)it came to pass, x1961 that Kayin קַיִן 7014 brought 935 z8686 of the fruit 6529 x4480 of the ground 127 an offering 4503 unto Yähwè יָהוֶה. 3068
5:29 O that x4310 x5414 there were x1961 such 2088 an y4310 heart 3824 in them, y5414 z8799 that they would fear 3372 z8800 me, and keep 8104 z8800 x853 all x3605 my commandments 4687 always, 3117 x3605 that x4616 it might be well 3190 z8799 with them, and with their children 1121 for ever! 5769
41:1 ¶ And it came to pass x1961 at the end 7093 x4480 of two full y3117 years, 8141 x3117 that Par`ò פַּרעֹה 6547 dreamed: 2492 z8802 and, behold, x2009 he stood 5975 z8802 by x5921 the river. 2975
Every number links to YOWM. I have no clue how you can even attempt to argue against my points here.
If you want to live in La la land be my guest, the fact that Gen. 1:1-3 says that DARKNESS was on the FACE OF THE DEEP, and that matches a mapped out with RADAR universe, why actually makes Gen. 1:1-3 a perfect statement to the science world, then you are just never going to be able to grasp the facts. This lifts up Gods word as facts, yet you deny that victory.
Anther point I did not even make, see this here, where it says God moved on the FACE of the WATERS?
Gen. 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Sun beams travel in a straight line, you get that right? So, when Gid says he moved on the Face of the Waters first and THEN.........said let there be light, to you get the significance of that statement?
Just outside our atmosphere it gets much, much darker right? Our Bio-Dome (Atmosphere) entraps moisture, and thus that water REFLECTS the suns rays and illuminates the earth. God told us everything in Gen. 1 about creation, some just can not grasp what he is saying, they overthink it or cling men's writings who never understood what God was saying because they had no ability to grasp these things.
Do you really think that men were building a Tower unto the Heavens? Its a METAPHOR for KNOWLEDGE. Thus when God gave men different languages or confused the languages it was so they could nit unite knowledge in one place. When the computer came out KNOWLEDFED ZOOMED forth, now within 50 years we have AI and we have cloning, there is no end to the evil mankind can achieve with his evil heart.
My calling has a ben towards prophecy, Daniel and Revelation, these things we are talking about here is easy stuff compared unto that. The world shows us how old it is, 4.5 billion years old, the Universe shows us it is 13.7 billion years old. God RESTED on the 7th day, so why are Galaxies still forming? Because God created the Universe on day 1, 13.7 billion years ago, by saying GO FORTH, and thus the universe is expanding to this day.
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