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Just because you say that God doesn’t create anything unless the scriptures specifically says “God said let there be” doesn’t make it true. Where’d the water come from? Did God create the water or did it always exist? Where does God say let there be water? On day 3 God didn’t say let there be earth. He said “Let the waters below the heavens be gathered into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so.” Let dry land appear raah not let there be dry land. Raah means to make visible or able to see which means it was already there under the water. So obviously the earth and the water was created in verse 1 along with the heavens.
 
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Another issue with Adam 12,000 years ago:

‭Genesis 4:22
[22] Zillah bore Tubal-cain, who made all kinds of bronze and iron tools. The sister of Tubal-cain was Naamah.

They didn't have bronze and iron in 10,000BC. This verse is from before Seth was even born.
 
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I use the Bible to understand the Bible. I'm not going to quote Genesis day 7 with God resting because that's the passage in question. Hence why I shared a dozen other passages that show that every time God rests, God does so in a temple, on His throne.

It has everything to do with a temple. That's why over and over and over again, the Bible states that heaven and earth, God's creation, are His throne and footstool.

That's what that's about. God enthroned. As King. And all kings have temples. Thats where thrones are. What you thought his throne was in a regular house? Hence why the Bible over and over and over again talks about God enthroned in His temple. And we know that creation is His temple, the Bible tells us so very plainly:

Isaiah 66:1
This is what the Lord says: “Heaven is My throne and the earth is the footstool for My feet. Where then is a house [temple] you could build for Me? And where is a place that I may rest?

‭Isaiah 66:2
[2] All these things my hand has made, and so all these things are mine, says the Lord.

That's God Himself. Saying, all these things, all of creation He made. So of what value is an earthly temple to Him? Creation is His temple. Hence, heaven is His throne, earth is His footstool.

The Lord is in His holy temple; the Lord’s throne is in heaven; His eyes see, His eyelids test the sons of mankind.
Psalms 11:4

And over and over and over again, God rests, in His temple. It's stated over and over and over again.

Now then arise, Lord God, to Your resting place, You and the ark of Your might; let Your priests, Lord God, be clothed with salvation, and let Your godly ones rejoice in what is good.
2 Chronicles 6:41

By wisdom a temple is built,
and by understanding it is established;
by knowledge the rooms are filled
with all precious and pleasant riches. (Prov. 24:3-4)
The LORD by wisdom founded the earth;
by understanding he established the heavens;
by his knowledge the deeps broke open,
and the clouds drop down the dew. (Prov. 3:19-20)

Father, I desire that those also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory, which you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world. John 17:24

Until I find a place for the Lord, A dwelling place for the Mighty One of Jacob.” Let’s go into His dwelling place; Let’s worship at His footstool. Arise, Lord, to Your resting place, You and the ark of Your strength. ¶For the Lord has chosen Zion; He has desired it as His dwelling place. “This is My resting place forever; Here I will sit enthroned, for I have desired it.
Psalms 132:5‭, ‬7‭-‬8‭, ‬13‭-‬14 NIV

If you have a problem with where God explicitly states that He rests over and over and over again, then take it up with the Bible. He always rests up on the throne.

And in case you didn't notice, all thrones are of temples.

‭Isaiah 6:1
[1] In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, high and lofty; and the hem of his robe filled the temple.

‭1 Kings 22:19 NRSV‬
[19] Then Micaiah said, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne, with all the host of heaven standing beside him to the right and to the left of him.

That's what all these stories in the Bible are saying. He's enthroned in a temple. That's where God rests.

And that's what Genesis is initiating. When God first rests on day 7. It's the beginning of God's reign, Jeremiah 26:1 and 27:1.

It's a central theme throughout the entire old testament. I suspect that many YECs don't read their Bibles, quite frankly.
 
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Which is why I asked for the definition of the word omnipresent. When has God not been on His throne?
 
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We do not know what the speed of light is
 
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The Bible does say it.
 
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It has everything to do with a temple. That's why over and over and over again, the Bible states that heaven and earth, God's creation, are His throne and footstool.
And Jesus’ enemies? Are they going to be His temple? They’re going to be His footstool. You’re taking the word footstool out of context after I’ve already explained what the metaphor means. The footstool metaphor has absolutely zero, nothing, nada to do with God’s temple. It’s a metaphor for those who are subjugated to His authority. The earth is subjugated to His authority. Christ’s enemies are subjugated to His authority. The earth is not a resting place for His feet in His temple and His enemies are not a resting place for His feet in His temple either. Are Christ’s enemies going to be in His temple in heaven being used as an ottoman? How is it that even after I’ve pointed this out you still refuse to grasp the concept of the metaphorical meaning of footstool?
 
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I’m not aware of any passage that says that the universe was made for man. Although it has been useful for navigation. But it would certainly be cool if we can explore it in the afterlife.
 
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There is not much debate that Adam was created 6k years ago or using those same genealogies to determine when Moses, Abraham, Noah is dated. Assuming the genealogies are complete and accurate (if you want that qualifier added) then the Bible tells us Creation was 6k years ago. That timeline is supported by recorded History
 
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There is no example of people in the Bible counting ages in genealogies to get the "age of the universe" and no instruction to do so.
There are examples of people using those genealogies. Regardless of the reason for using them if they are using them then the level of confidence of them is real
 
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It also says a day is a thousand years.
Actually it says a thousand years are AS a day and a day is AS a thousand years to God. You’re removing the word AS and LIKE from those verses. This has to do with God’s perception of time not actual time and it’s pretty much a loose analogy because to be more accurate God exists in all time simultaneously. Technically according to the definition of omnipresent God was already in heaven with everyone who will be saved even before creation.
 
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The target audience for the Bible wasn’t God. It was us. A day is 24 hours to you and me. Confirmed twice by God. “An evening and a morning” and a 24 hour day set aside by God as he compared to his day of rest.
 
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Which is why I asked for the definition of the word omnipresent. When has God not been on His throne?
And I gave examples in response. God walking in the Garden. God wrestling with Jacob. God appearing to Abraham with visitors. God showing Moses his backside. The Tower of Babel when God goes down to confuse the tongues of people.

‭Micah 1:2-3 NRSV‬
[2] Hear, you peoples, all of you; listen, O earth, and all that is in it; and let the Lord God be a witness against you, the Lord from his holy temple. [3] For lo, the Lord is coming out of his place, and will come down and tread upon the high places of the earth.

God leaves His temple and moves without His throne attached to His body on several occasions.
 
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And I gave examples in response. God walking in the Garden. God wrestling with Jacob. God appearing to Abraham with visitors. God showing Moses his backside. The Tower of Babel when God goes down to confuse the tongues of people.
None of those were God The Father. No one has ever seen The Father. No one has ascended except He who has descended, the Son of Man.
 
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And before you go calling all of this metaphorical, the point is that, God explicitly states time and time and time again, that the place where He rests, is enthroned in His temple. And that's true everywhere his resting place is described. Over and over and over again.

So, if you can't accept that about Genesis, day 7, then you have a problem with what the Bible says.
 
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None of those were God The Father. No one has ever seen The Father. No one has ascended except He who has descended, the Son of Man.
Yahwey walking in the garden and descending at the tower of Babel wasn't the father? What Bible are you reading?
 
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Yahwey walking in the garden and descending at the tower of Babel wasn't the father? What Bible are you reading?
‭Genesis 3 explicitly says that it is "Yahwey" walking in the garden.

Check your Hebrew

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interestingly enough we do have camels early on in Genesis
Some say the third Hebrew letter, gimel (ג), is a stylized image of a camel's head, neck, and front legs. This can represent trade and transportation. Today we have Jet planes as our mode of transportation in the modern world or in this moment of time.

According to science, human civilization is a lot older than 6,000 BCE.
Civilization can mean a lot of different things. According to Bishop Ussher Adam and Eve were created 6000 years ago. He says Oct 29 4004 BC based on the equinox of that year.
Though if Adam lived 12,000 years ago
According to Science mankind goes back hundreds of millions of years. The concept of sex, male and female goes back a lot further than that. Jesus in His discussion on marriage talks
about how Adam and Eve were created male and female. We are told that God has a plan and a purpose in this. WE are told that a man and women, husband and wife is a type of the marriage between the Bride and Jesus.
The marriage between a husband and wife is often considered a symbol of the spiritual union between Christ and believers.

Gerold Schroeder is the only person who can get science to line up with the Bible. This was something I had problems for a very long time. AT least 20 years until I read what Schroeder has to say about this.

There are lots of other issues. Ultimately, the Bible just isn't a science textbook

There is no conflict between science and the Bible. Also the Bible does not conflict with itself. Science confirms the Bible and the Bible confirms Science so that they are able to work together in harmony even if people want to deny that.
 
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Genesis 3 explicitly says that it is "Yahwey" walking in the garden.

יְהוָ֧ה Yah-weh
Genesis 3:8 uses both names together We do not see Yah-weh until Genesis chapter two.
אֱלֹהִ֔ים
(e·lo·him,) This is the name we see in Genesis chapter one.

John 1 explains 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made.…

Beginning here is a reference to Genesis chapter two.
 
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1. Bible never says that
Genealogies in the Bible serve as fascinating threads that connect generations, revealing intricate relationships and historical context. Let’s explore some key aspects:

  1. Biblical Genealogies:
    • The book of Genesis provides several genealogies, tracing the descendants of Adam and Eve. These genealogies highlight the lineal male descent to Abraham, including the age at which each patriarch fathered his named son and the subsequent years they lived.
    • Notably, Genesis 5 presents the genealogy from Adam to Noah, while chapter 10 records the male descendants of Noah in the Table of Nations.
  2. Genealogy of Jesus:
  3. Interpretations and Speculations:
  4. Scientific Worldview:
    • While genealogies provide valuable historical context, they exist within a theological framework. Literal interpretations and symbolic meanings coexist, and reconciling them with scientific perspectives can be complex.
    • Ultimately, genealogies invite us to explore our shared human heritage and the unfolding story of redemption across generations.
Remember that these genealogies offer more than mere lists of names—they reveal God’s providence, human frailty, and the grand narrative of salvation.
 
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