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How narrow is the "narrow way"?

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Confused to what your point is and you have not explained your new vocabulary words for the lay person.


I am sorry if you are still confused about the CONTEXT of the verses
relating to the narrow way and the BROAD WAY being people in the
church (people calling Jesus "Lord", as opposed to non-Christians)
and the two different gospels taught in "Christian" churches.

Do you understand the difference between a "synergistic" gospel
(like Arminianism) and a "monergistic" gospel (like Sovereign Grace)?
That (understanding) would be the place to START your "Bible study".

BTW... I did not invent some "new vocabulary" which "lay people"
are not expected to understand, these are essential elements to
the "gospel" preached in Christian churches.

Jim
 
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The question that I would asked is what is the kingdom consist of in the context, what does salvation mean and How does one experience eternal life and then what is the diff between eternal life and life eternal.
 
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I am sure I read the passage before ... And my opinion still stands that the narrow way or path is the life of Jesus. And the broad way is our own way.


Of course, the PROBLEM with your understanding of CONTEXT
is that you ignore that those following the narrow way and those
following the BROAD WAY both call Jesus their "Lord"... they both
claim to be Christian.

Jim
 
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Exactly...those red ones...never heard of
 
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The question that I would asked is what is the kingdom consist of in the context, what does salvation mean and How does one experience eternal life and then what is the diff between eternal life and life eternal.


Again, as I indicated before,

Do you understand the difference between a "synergistic" gospel
(like Arminianism) and a "monergistic" gospel (like Sovereign Grace)?
That (understanding) would be the place to START your "Bible study"
since BOTH of these "gospels" are taught in the church and (at best)
only ONE of them can be (Biblical) Truth.

Jim
 
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Of course, the PROBLEM with your understanding of CONTEXT
is that you ignore that those following the narrow way and those
following the BROAD WAY both call Jesus their "Lord"... they both
claim to be Christian.

Jim
I dont think I ignored that
 
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Exactly...those red ones...never heard of


Again, I did not CREATE a "new vocabulary".
The "narrow way" and the "broad way" are recorded in Matthew 7


Mat 7:13
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


And the CONTEXT of those (saved and unsaved) people...
the "wheat and tares" in the church... are people calling
Jesus their "Lord"... they are both "Christians".


Mat 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which
is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we
not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils?
and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I
profess unto them, I never knew you
: depart from me,
ye that work iniquity.


Both the "wheat and tares" in the church THINK they are saved.
Both THINK they are real Christians. Both THINK that Jesus
is their "Lord"... but only the "wheat" are "children of God"
and they can be KNOWN by their "fruit" of teaching the
True (monergistic) Gospel of Sovereign Grace.


All the "tares" show the "fruit" of not being saved [Gal 5:20]
by preaching the heresy of a synergistic "gospel"...
A "gospel" which clearly is heresy.


Jim
 
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I never saw synergistic or monergistic...sounds like scholar stuff for the learned in a Siminary.....

Are those terms in the Bible?
 
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I dont think I ignored that


So... if you AGREE that both those following the narrow way
into eternal life and those following the BROAD WAY into
eternal destruction (and BOTH call Jesus their "Lord")
(both CLAIM to be Christian) what is your confusion?

Jim
 
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This is what You may or may not be missing

Those who believe who Jesus is an accept Him as savior are born again....[do you agree]

Do you believe regeneration comes before Justification? If not read Galatians 2:16...

Could that then mean people can believe and know and not to follow?

2ndly do you believe Reconciliation by His death is the same as being saved by His life?
 
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I never saw synergistic or monergistic...sounds like scholar stuff for the learned in a Siminary..... Are those terms in the Bible?


Is the term "Trinity" in the Bible?
Do you believe in a Triune God... as Jesus taught?


If you do not WANT to know the difference between
a synergistic and monergistic gospel... then you don't want
to know the difference between the True Gospel (of the "wheat")
and the false gospel (heresy) of the "tares" in the church.


These are fundamental and essential Biblical doctrines.
If you want to know the True (Biblical) Gospel then
you will need to understand these basic doctrines.


Jim
 
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So... if you AGREE that both those following the narrow way
into eternal life and those following the BROAD WAY into
eternal destruction (and BOTH call Jesus their "Lord")
(both CLAIM to be Christian) what is your confusion?

Jim
Did I ever say that...or did I asked you to define eternal life from the context?
Reconciliation brings one out of the dark into the light.....read EPHESIANS 2: around vs 8

We are brought near for a reason...but one must see That the eternal life He gives is in relationship to The son and the father....at least in my opinionation.
 
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This is what You may or may not be missing

Those who believe who Jesus is an accept Him as savior are born again....[do you agree]


It does not matter what I believe... only what the Bible teaches.
And the Bible teaches that MANY people who think they are saved
Christians (the call Jesus their "Lord") are actually unsaved "tares"
sown by Satan.

Matthew 7:21-23
Matthew 25:1-13
Luke 13:23-30

The people REJECTED by Christ in those verses THOUGHT
they were saved... they called Jesus their "Lord"...
they were "Christians"

Thy were not Jews or Moslems or Atheists or Agnostics
or Humanists or Pagans or Satanists etc...

They were CHRISTIANS calling Jesus their "Lord"...
and yet Jesus denied ever knowing them. How can
that be if salvation is obtained by (how did YOU say it?)
they "accepted" Him as Savior.

The Bible is CRYSTAL clear in the verses above that MANY
people who "accepted" Jesus were NEVER SAVED.

Jim
 
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Tell me please...
is the CONTEXT of Ephesians 2:8

(a) Is it the saved "wheat" in the church sown by God or
(b) Is it the unsaved "tares" in the church sown by Satan

When we cannot discern the CONTEXT of a passage
then we have no hope of understanding the MEANING.

Jim
 
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So... if you AGREE that both those following the narrow way
into eternal life and those following the BROAD WAY into
eternal destruction (and BOTH call Jesus their "Lord")
(both CLAIM to be Christian) what is your confusion?

Jim
Did not know where you were headed, nor what you meant by two gospels syngergtisic and monergistic....
 
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In EPHESIANS 2:8 it doesnt mention wheat and tares.....I was interesting in that passage to show what one is saved from....[being in the dark, dead in sins.]...
 
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Your best question yet!
Because the salvation there which means deliverence is not talking about "heaven when one dies" but being delivered from trespasses and sin.....for being once dead...and now quickened to life. That is the grace that saved in my opinionation because one cannot make themselves alive. We needed intervention.

There is a def of eternal life ...

and that is to know God and Jesus whom He has sent. It's about an intimate "know" a relationship by learning how to keep His commandments, first by purifying oneself with the word of God. Therefore through the help of the Spirit to clean the inside [heart] so that the outside confirmed through deed represents what is inside.

And this we see in the chapter of John that when the commands are kept the father and the son will come to you.....John 14...
 
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My other opinionation is one can be in the kingdom but not "of" the kingdom...

So we know that the kingdom is at hand....
And there are those who believe, and as the parable goes get caught up in the world. And then those who hear and believe for awhile and they hear some other things and they too also fall away.....

So then it's possible ....just as one, hypothetically speaking, invited to your party to celebrate comes for the wrong reason.

He may be at your party but His heart is far from the celebration. Therefore He is in the house Party but not "of" the house party.
Like:
Matthew 15:8

This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
 
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That's why I said look at Gal 2;16
They believed in Jesus [this one would say is when one is regenerated] in order to be Justified by the faith of Jesus.

So what is the faith of Jesus?....
Jesus surely believed the father to the point He put to death His flesh .

And Jesus came that He might destroy the works of the devil. And in my opinionation that means.....the more we learn to walk/live by the Spirit Given to us, the more you do not fullfill the lust of the flesh. [My thought for "might" is that its dependent on rather we walk by the gift that was given to us...and I wonder if that is the Spirit of Christ.
 
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"What is in vain is the new believers one thinks were made with them coming to Christ actually trusting in other things instead of Christ."


The Bible does not show that believing what God reveals is doing something themselves for their salvation, believing is in contrast to doing works for salvation. There is the broad way going to destruction, but CONTEXT is not showing all your interpretations. Jesus Christ referenced himself, who the believers would follow, when he spoke of the narrow way. Those who do not repent are workers of iniquity. The true gospel is of Jesus Christ, the Lord we are to come to for atonement and restoration to God, Jesus Christ who made it possible is the way.


"It is about coming to the real faith with repentance, and life changes with that. Those that do not change with spiritual virtues growing are ones who do not have evidence showing that they are real believers, and likely they are not."


I explained what the faith is, and the faith is not defined by feelings. Repentance is not an action any initiate, it is a needed response, many scripture passages show this. It involves turning away from sin still, which God makes possible in believers who are in Christ. This is not about people who sincerely believe, as the belief this way is sincere enough. Sincere belief otherwise is not this.

Fruit that would be showing has love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control, Galatians 5, these are to grow.

"The whole world only has the opportunity for any to come to God and have salvation. Texts referring to the whole world can only mean that."


What Mark 4:12, quoting scriptures, and other similar passages show are unrepentant who will not respond to God's grace revealed as people should do, Acts 17:30, those will not understand the things that believers are being led to understand. They lose the opportunity as God will give up on them. Such people are really on borrowed time here.
 
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