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i agree,we are indeed inside of time, and God is both inside and outside.
as far as Father is concerned, its a done deal
The Roman armies actually, physically surrounded Israel and desolated them until the time of the end.
There have been actual wars, famines, pestilences, persecution and martyrdom since then.
None of that is Spiritual but actually physical - happened in the physical, earthly realm.
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.[/font]
Agreed.
From our perspective, Matthew 24 is not fulfilled. We are still currently in the great tribulation that began with the desolation of Israel and will soon be cut short when gog invades, followed by the wrath of God.
The wrath of God is the wrath of the lamb. Have you EVER seeen a lamb get mad??????????
Rev 5:5Then one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals."
Rev 5:6Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.
Rev 5:7He came and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne.
Have you read Revelation? If so, then you would know that the wrath of God will be so terrible that people will be hiding.
I am going to quote j preston Eby on clouds to show you the depth of god's Word on this one subject.
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=trialbyfire;56193305]Then you won't mind if I quote God to show you the depth of God's Word on this one?
Revelation 19:11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
17And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
2 Thess 2:8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
Zech 14: 12And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
13And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.
14And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance. 15And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.
Did you even attempt to read what Eby said?
I have read Revelation many times; my six year old grandaughter can cut in paste what you just did; but are you haering and seeing the messages in this deeply spiritual book?
We are both using scripture here, you are trying to literalize something very spiirtual.
I asked you to show me using God's Word where it says that John was being literal in any since of the word. John was in Spirit on the Lord's day..........
John's vision was symbolic and descriptive of the final years of mankind before Christ's return. It will be a mixing of fallen angels and mankind in a final kingdom, as Daniel says. So, you cannot say it's all spiritual. It will take place in the physical realm of the earth.
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']WRONG... I never said it was all spiritual; God's Word said it was in right off the bat in the Book of revelation. John was in "spirit on the Lords' day" that is a spiritual scriptural FACT; literally written in God's Word for a divine purpose for those who have spiritual ears to hear.. Yes symbolic, BUT absolutely no mention of literal anywhere in the Book in any since of the word. Chapter and verse please opinion is not tolerated. [/font]
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[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']This deep and awesome Book is the most misinterpret book ever written because it is the most spiritual book ever written. You want to canalize it, literalize it that is on you. But that is not what is written. [/font]
...story of my life...it's all a trial by fire.By the way I love your forum name.
quote=trialbyfire;56193477]What is your point? I've seen visions too but that doesn't mean they won't have an actual fulfillment.[/font]
Jesus will actually come from the sky and will kill everyone who has worshipped the devil in word and deed.[/quote
John's vision was prophetic. The symbolism is based on other Scripture. Everything in Revelation has an Old Testament counterpart to help explain it.
Bump for more discussionHUH?I didn't think those that believe Matt 24 as being fulfilled were considered "full preterists".
I thought only those that viewed ALL of Revelation fulfilled were considered full preterists. Can you please explain? Thanks
I am protesting this thread being moved to the unorthodox board
http://www.christianforums.com/t7392923-39/#post52748967
Good post!Amen that is why we are here. Praise God for his awesome fire which is spiritual and never literal.No one said it was not going to be fulfilled; but it will NOT be fulfilled carnally, literally; but instead spiritually. Yes the whole Bible gives us the typology for Revelation; not the carnal mind.
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