How much of Matthew 24 is fulfilled

B1inHim said:

Wellllll, according to scripture we still have the abomination of desolation and the moon and sun to get blood red and sackclothy needs to still take place...

Oh Oh Oh and then... and THEN Lord Jesus shows up and does His in the sky fly-by to gather us all up...He does not return to the planet, otherwise He would have said so in the Matthew 24 prophecy. He didn't say it, it doesn't happen.... yet.

Well, that what my bible says anyhow...

Love,
Your servant Brother Jerry

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LOL i am meditating on this very thing, my friend

I think the prophecy is both fulfilled and yet to be fulfilled. Jesus is known for saying something with two or more meanings. For example, His prophecy of the destruction of the Temple both refers to His Body and the 70 AD attack.

Attached to this post is Matthew 24 in Greek, Latin, and English.

SOURCE: NEW ADVENT BIBLE: Matthew 24

Eucharisted said:

I think the prophecy is both fulfilled and yet to be fulfilled. Jesus is known for saying something with two or more meanings. For example, His prophecy of the destruction of the Temple both refers to His Body and the 70 AD attack.

Attached to this post is Matthew 24 in Greek, Latin, and English.

SOURCE: NEW ADVENT BIBLE: Matthew 24

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Thank you.
Don't ya think that would confuse the Jews of today more than they are now on the NT?

So what would your vote be?

B1inHim said:

Wellllll, according to scripture we still have the abomination of desolation and the moon and sun to get blood red and sackclothy needs to still take place...

Oh Oh Oh and then... and THEN Lord Jesus shows up and does His in the sky fly-by to gather us all up...He does not return to the planet, otherwise He would have said so in the Matthew 24 prophecy. He didn't say it, it doesn't happen.... yet.

Well, that what my bible says anyhow...

Love,
Your servant Brother Jerry

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It could be fulfilled, and you have misunderstood what these prophetic expresions imply.

Isaiah 13 is a prophecy directed specifically to Babylonia and was fulfilled in the 5 century BC.

Look at the prophetic imagery that is used by Isaiah..

9 See, the day of the LORD is coming
—a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger—
to make the land desolate
and destroy the sinners within it.

10 The stars of heaven and their constellations
will not show their light.
The rising sun will be darkened
and the moon will not give its light.
11 I will punish the world for its evil,
the wicked for their sins.
I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty
and will humble the pride of the ruthless.
12 I will make man scarcer than pure gold,
more rare than the gold of Ophir.
13 Therefore I will make the heavens tremble;
and the earth will shake from its place
at the wrath of the LORD Almighty,
in the day of his burning anger.
14 Like a hunted gazelle,
like sheep without a shepherd,
each will return to his own people,
each will flee to his native land.
15 Whoever is captured will be thrust through;
all who are caught will fall by the sword.
16 Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes;
their houses will be looted and their wives ravished.
17 See, I will stir up against them the Medes,
who do not care for silver
and have no delight in gold.
18 Their bows will strike down the young men;
they will have no mercy on infants
nor will they look with compassion on children. 19 Babylon, the jewel of kingdoms,
the glory of the Babylonians' pride,
will be overthrown by God
like Sodom and Gomorrah.

Now notice that Babylonia is actually destroyed by the Medes as spoken in verse 17, but yet it is God who says that He is the one who will acomplish this destruction.

This same prophetic imagery is used by Jesus for the soon coming day of the Lord concerning the soon to occur destruction of Jerusalem. It was Rome who actually destroyed Jerusalem, however it was aan act of God nonetheless just as it was for Babylonia.

consigliere31 said:

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It could be fulfilled, and you have misunderstood what these prophetic expresions imply.

It was Rome who actually destroyed Jerusalem, however it was aan act of God nonetheless just as it was for Babylonia.

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Thank you and I agree

John 11:48 "If-ever we may be be letting Him thus, all shall be believing in Him. And shall be coming the Romans and they shall be taking away/arousin <142> (5692) of Us and the Place and the Nation"
[Reve 6:6]

Revelation 6:6 And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "choinex of grain/wheat a denari and three choinex of barleys a denari, and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring". [John 11:48]

a point of curiosity

what does fulfill mean?

i sense there may be varying definitions .

hi lloj, if you have the time look at similarities of Mat 23 and the 7 churches of Rev 2-3. Striking resemblance.

Michael Collum said:

a point of curiosity

what does fulfill mean?

i sense there may be varying definitions .

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Ummm....to fill full?



4137. pleroo play-ro'-o from 4134; to make replete, i.e. (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.:--accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply.

LittleLambofJesus said:

Thank you.
Don't ya think that would confuse the Jews of today more than they are now on the NT?

So what would your vote be?

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I voted Other.

Hmm yes . there is the dictionary definition . but i am curious if some people are getting another definition of fulfillment from bible passages and noticed a pattern and thus apply their understanding of the word fulfill differently .

thus the above survey .

Michael Collum said:

Hmm yes . there is the dictionary definition . but i am curious if some people are getting another definition of fulfillment from bible passages and noticed a pattern and thus apply their understanding of the word fulfill differently .

thus the above survey .

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I am sure others can derive different definitions/meaning to the word "fulfillment", but Jesus was specifically talking to the Jewish Disciples in Matthew 24/Olivet Discourse.

That greek word is also used 2 times in Revelation, one of them here

Reve 6:11 And was given to them each a white stole and was declared to them that they should be resting still a little time, till may be being full-filled/plhrwsontai <4137> (5695) also their fellow bondservants and their brethren, those being about to be being killed as also they.

I couldn't decide if I wanted to vote mostly/partial or other so I voted other. That's like asking about Daniel if the antichrist has come and gone based on what happened with Epithanies {sp?) Which I don't believe happened as perscibed in Rev cause that came later.

Michael Collum said:

Hmm yes . there is the dictionary definition . but i am curious if some people are getting another definition of fulfillment from bible passages and noticed a pattern and thus apply their understanding of the word fulfill differently .

thus the above survey .

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Concerning fulfillment as differing by our intepretations...should it matter what we consider as being fulfilled by definition. If Christ states that 'all these things' that He was prophecying would be fulfilled in that generation that He spoke the prophecies of Matthew 24?

34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

and also verified His coming in His kingdom earlier in Matthew 16 as also being fulfilled for that generation..

28I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

consigliere31 said:

Concerning fulfillment as differing by our intepretations...should it matter what we consider as being fulfilled by definition. If Christ states that 'all these things' that He was prophecying would be fulfilled in that generation that He spoke the prophecies of Matthew 24?

34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

and also verified His coming in His kingdom earlier in Matthew 16 as also being fulfilled for that generation..

28I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

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It makes a difference when contrasted with other scripture, especially when doctrine is hung on it and a vote is asked for. The questions could misrepresent.

There will be a great distress in the land and wrath against this people. They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled" (Luke 21:23-24).
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consigliere31 said:

Concerning fulfillment as differing by our intepretations...should it matter what we consider as being fulfilled by definition. If Christ states that 'all these things' that He was prophecying would be fulfilled in that generation that He spoke the prophecies of Matthew 24?

34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

and also verified His coming in His kingdom earlier in Matthew 16 as also being fulfilled for that generation..

28I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

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Also, according to a poll I made on whether the Olivet Discourse and Revelation are the same event, most everyone who voted said they were one and the same event

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Luke 21:31 "Thus also ye whenever ye may be seeing these these becoming, ye are knowing that NIGH/egguV <1451> is the Kingdom of the God."

Reve 1:3 Happy the one reading and the ones hearing the Words of the Prophecy and keepings in it having been Written for the Time NIGH/egguV <1451>.
[Reve 22:6,10]

Revelation 22:10 And he is saying to me "no thou should be sealing the Words of the Prophecy of the Scroll, this, that the Time NIGH/egguV <1451> is"
[Revelation 1:3]

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Olivet Discourse and Revelation Same Event?

LittleLambofJesus said:

Also, according to a poll I made on whether the Olivet Discourse and Revelation are the same event, most everyone who voted said they were one and the same event

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I woulod say that the events prophesied in Matthew 24 are shown as John's revelation as well. But in a deeper spiritual reality John is not just speaking altogether about worldly events in themselves, but is a revelation of Jesus Christ in its fulness, both through physical events and spiritual powers and authority that is given to Christ

consigliere31 said:

I woulod say that the events prophesied in Matthew 24 are shown as John's revelation as well. But in a deeper spiritual reality John is not just speaking altogether about worldly events in themselves, but is a revelation of Jesus Christ in its fulness, both through physical events and spiritual powers and authority that is given to Christ

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Interesting post!

I remember when I was studying Revelation some years back, I could see where John was viewing things from both heaven and land.

I view Reve 6:16 and Reve 20:11 as the same event.....notice John is in heaven witnessing the One sitting on the throne, whereas those on the land are looking up wanting to hide from Him....Pretty fascinating. Thoughts?

Reve 6:16 And they are saying to the mountains and to the rocks "be falling on us! and hide us! from Face of the One-sitting upon the Throne and from the wrath of the lambkin
17 that came the day, the great, of the wrath of *Him and who is able to stand.

Reve 20:11 And I saw a great white Throne, and the One sitting on it of whom from Face fled the land and the heaven and place not was found to them.

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I guess because saying "complete" would discount Jesus having fulfilled Isaiah chapter 9 not all of it was complete . just that was necessary at the time .

Mat. 24:30-31 was fulfilled back in the 4th century when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds (on Oct.28th, 312 AD). On that day the first Christian conqueror appeared, riding a white horse and carrying a bow (see Rev. 6:1-2). St. Constantine conquered Rome and all the known world for Jesus and His Church, and ever since that day, Christian nations have been the dominant force on earth. And Constantine sent out his messengers with a trumpet, and gathered the whole Church together, to Nicea.

interpreter said:

Mat. 24:30-31 was fulfilled back in the 4th century when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds (on Oct.28th, 312 AD). On that day the first Christian conqueror appeared, riding a white horse and carrying a bow (see Rev. 6:1-2). St. Constantine conquered Rome and all the known world for Jesus and His Church, and ever since that day, Christian nations have been the dominant force on earth. And Constantine sent out his messengers with a trumpet, and gathered the whole Church together, to Nicea.

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Thank you for both your vote and view

I am also of the view that Matthew 24 is All fulfilled, I just disagree with your view of it. Would you mind also voting on this other thread? Thanks

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Olivet Discourse and Revelation Same Event?