how much alcohol is too much?

[RenHoek]

Being drunk is, in my view, not a problem. Drunkenness is more of a perpetual state where you are not focused on God, rather focused on your next binge/escape.

Jesus not only made wine, he made it for those who were “well drunk”. Why would He feed sinful behavior?

Seems to me there is a time for everything under the sun, including tying one on.

I would agree that a complete loss of control/blackout would be an improper use of booze.

 

[savedandhappy1]

1 Cor 8:8-11
8But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.
9But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
10For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
11And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?

We do have to remember to not let the finding of our freedom to become a stumbling block for others, tho.

Moderation is the key, but to some drinking is not good, so we just need to be sure and not cause someone to stumble with our actions.

It is bad to because those who haven't found their freedom in Christ, will say we are hypocrites if we do things that the world sees as sins. When someone sees someone drinking they will say and what right do they have to say I need anything. They say one thing and do another.

I guess what I am trying to say is moderation isn't the only thing we need to do when it comes to drinking. We will be held accountable for the stumbling of another, if I understand the scriptures right.

 

[RenHoek]

Moderation is the key, but to some drinking is not good, so we just need to be sure and not cause someone to stumble with our actions.
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Agreed

It is bad to because those who haven't found their freedom in Christ, will say we are hypocrites if we do things that the world sees as sins. When someone sees someone drinking they will say and what right do they have to say I need anything. They say one thing and do another.

I like these as conversation starters...

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

I think it takes prudence to know the difference- and there isnt a magic line in the sand that says "this is too much". If you are prone to being out of control- alcoholism or addictive type behaviors- then alcohol is probably not for you. If you have wine or beer with friends, and in moderation- I see no challenge. I think that it is like most things, that if it takes a position higher in your life than God, or your responsibilities, then it is too much. Definitely drinking to drunkenness is not a good thing. Moderation, maturity, and responsibility are necessary- but I do not believe it is a sin to drink- it is my belief that Jesus' first miracle would have been different, were it so.

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- Josiah

 

[Joykins]

Prayer to be said over wine:

Blessed are You, Hashem, our God, King of the universe, Who creates the fruit of the vine.

 

[Koey]

1 Cor 8:8-11
8But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.
9But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
10For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
11And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?

We do have to remember to not let the finding of our freedom to become a stumbling block for others, tho.

Moderation is the key, but to some drinking is not good, so we just need to be sure and not cause someone to stumble with our actions.

It is bad to because those who haven't found their freedom in Christ, will say we are hypocrites if we do things that the world sees as sins. When someone sees someone drinking they will say and what right do they have to say I need anything. They say one thing and do another.

I guess what I am trying to say is moderation isn't the only thing we need to do when it comes to drinking. We will be held accountable for the stumbling of another, if I understand the scriptures right.

The only ones that I know who would be offended are Pharisaic Christians. None of my non-Christian friends are offended by an occasional beer.

 

[savedandhappy1]

The only ones that I know who would be offended are Pharisaic Christians. None of my non-Christian friends are offended by an occasional beer.

Wasn't talking about the occasional beer, I was talking about offending people on purpose, just like the scriptures were.

 

[Koey]

I agree that we ought not offend a little one. That is clear in Scripture. However, Jesus also set us the example of purposefully offending Pharisees. Paul set us the example of strongly correcting the Galatians, even saying things that sensitive Christians might object to, such as that the false teachers would just go ahead and not just cut off their foreskins, but the whole thing. Perhaps you might object to Paul's bluntness as well.

 

[savedandhappy1]

I agree that we ought not offend a little one. That is clear in Scripture. However, Jesus also set us the example of purposefully offending Pharisees. Paul set us the example of strongly correcting the Galatians, even saying things that sensitive Christians might object to, such as that the false teachers would just go ahead and not just cut off their foreskins, but the whole thing. Perhaps you might object to Paul's bluntness as well.

What does bluntness have to do with you standing, drinking a beer in front of someone you know will be offended by it. I don't believe that Jesus or Paul gave any examples of that. In fact isn't that attitude like the very people you are wanting to offend?
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[Maynard Keenan]

The amount at which it becomes for a person physically, mentally, emotionally, or socially unhealthy.

 

[Koey]

What does bluntness have to do with you standing, drinking a beer in front of someone you know will be offended by it. I don't believe that Jesus or Paul gave any examples of that. In fact isn't that attitude like the very people you are wanting to offend?
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Jesus stood and purposefully offended the Pharisees many, many times. I will not offend a little one in Christ, but I will gladly offend the Baptist preacher who preached that he was "offended" at being offered a beer and is offended by Christians who drink. I will gladly tell him that his faith ought to be in Christ, not in his self-righteous rules.

 

[savedandhappy1]

Jesus stood and purposefully offended the Pharisees many, many times. I will not offend a little one in Christ, but I will gladly offend the Baptist preacher who preached that he was "offended" at being offered a beer and is offended by Christians who drink. I will gladly tell him that his faith ought to be in Christ, not in his self-righteous rules.

!.)You keep saying offend a little one in Christ. I posted several scriptures that speak of more then a little one. I have also posted scriptures about stumbling blocks, so have nothing else to say on those things.

2,)Not a preacher.

3.) My husband is a Christian and has an occasional beer, so maybe you should take that self-righteous somewhere else yourself.

4.)Matt. 10:14
14And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

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[vrunca]

Just curious, as a catholic, how do you deal with eucharist?

Good question!! It has taken me 12 years...but this last summer, I was at Eucharistic Adoration and praying and it hit me. I KNOW that during the Eucharistic prayers the bread becomes the Body of Christ, the wine becomes the Blood of Christ. I say that when I am an extraordinary minister of Holy Communion. I teach this to Catechism students. Yet, I would not partake of the Blood of Christ, because I am an alcoholic. Then everything that I have known and have been teaching came piling down on me...why would it bother me, knowing this is the Blood of Christ!!! So yeah, I partake both the Body and Blood of Christ now, because that is what it is...it is not wine any more. That was something that was very exciting for me when it hit me and each time I recieve the Blood of Christ, it is exciting all over again!!

Thanks for asking...I love explaining this!!!

 

[Ave Maria]

If it gets you drunk or gives you a buzz, it is probably too much.

 

[Brother Jason]

If it gets you drunk or gives you a buzz, it is probably too much.

Simplicity, I agree 100%!

 

[lmnop9876]

thanks to all for your responses!
to phrase the question simply...
are you drunk when a. your judgment is impaired, b. you may do things you regret, c. you can do things and not remember them, d. you wake up with a killer hangover, e. your speech is slurred, f. you can't walk straight, g. you can't walk at all, or h. when you're knocked out?

 

[Koey]

You are seeking a legalistic definition of drunk. The only BIBLICAL definition that I can find is excess. How much that excess is, is not defined. It's like asking how high a woman's dress can be before she is immodest. Legalistic thinking like's to put a measure on it.

 

[holo]

Our constant need to define and measure everything is understandable, but it actually comes from when Eve ate from the wrong tree. That's when man started to divide everything and anything into right and wrong.

IMO Jesus has made it so that we've been, spiritually, restored back to before the fall. In other words, we're to live like Adam and Eve before they ate of the wrong tree. They lacked nothing. They didn't even know they were naked. And that's how it was supposed to be.

 

[geetrue]

Good question!! It has taken me 12 years...but this last summer, I was at Eucharistic Adoration and praying and it hit me. I KNOW that during the Eucharistic prayers the bread becomes the Body of Christ, the wine becomes the Blood of Christ. I say that when I am an extraordinary minister of Holy Communion. I teach this to Catechism students. Yet, I would not partake of the Blood of Christ, because I am an alcoholic. Then everything that I have known and have been teaching came piling down on me...why would it bother me, knowing this is the Blood of Christ!!! So yeah, I partake both the Body and Blood of Christ now, because that is what it is...it is not wine any more. That was something that was very exciting for me when it hit me and each time I recieve the Blood of Christ, it is exciting all over again!!

Thanks for asking...I love explaining this!!!

That's a great testimony ... The Blood of Jesus purifies our conscious thinking from dead works ... So we can do the will of God. Hebrews 9:14

I use to be a part-time janitor in the Catholic church ... although I have never been a Catholic. I was raised on Horizon/Calvary Chapel faith movement and have now graduated to Pentecostal faith, but while I was a janitor it was traditional to invite all of the workers into the private study of the Preist on special days like Christmas and believe me they like wine.

One nun was so innocent that after just a few sips she was tipsy and spilling everything. Giggling and having fun on wine. Sure didn't seem like a sin ... when it included how innocent this nun was.

Plus, while vacumning the chruch one day I heard the Lord speak to my heart and say, "I am inside the church fighting the devil ... Not outside"

I think the Spirit of the Lord meant the Catholic church so I wouldn't judge them.

Only thing I have to add is when Jesus said, "If you do it unto the lest of these ... It is the same as your doing unto me."

Surely he didn't mean buying a street person a beer, right?


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[ChristHat]

When I was in high school, we read a book called, "To Kill A Mockingbird."

About mid ways into the book a new term of slang appeared, "Footwashing."

Footwashing defined by the book was as follows, The undertaking of any pleasure in life is a sin. Dancing was a sin, Singing was a sin, drinking was a sin, etc....

Saints are defined as, [SIZE=-1]a person whose virtue and holiness was considered to be proven and who was already with God; a saint was considered capable of interceding with God on behalf of a person who prayed to them, and of performing miracles.

Christian is defined as, [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]following the teachings or manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus Christ


First and foremost, we most come to an agreement of what christians lifes are suppose to represent. Are we suppose to mimic Jesuse in his every fashion? Must we be like Jesus's saints and be of all holiness and an exact likeness of god, or in a phrase, "Total Divinity." Are we to be like the Footwashers and believe that all pleasures in the wolrd are a sin, and must shun them in order to maintain a path to heaven.

What is the tru calling of a christian life. If you ask me, the tru calling of a christian life, is to live w/o sin and to bring as many ppl to the light with our living example of Gods grace.

So for the ppl who say that alcohol drinking of ne sort is Sinning I submit to you, if we are to be like jesus or god. Jesus drink wine, he turned a river to wine for men to drink. But never did he drink habitually or to the point of losing control over his body. So is drinking a sin, for me, no it isnt.

So for the ppl who say sperm/egg donation for homosexual couples is helping of a child; I submit that in the bible, god warns of the demons and sin u open urself up to when u commit the act of homosexuality and since we are to live w/o sin in a likeness to jesus/god, you would be helping a homo couple by supporting them, thus helping raise a child under the principles of that homo house. Thus giving the child the possible, and the most likely, prospect that it is fine to have homosexuality in the world. So yes it is a sin to donate to homo couples if you are living by my definition of a christian. Most ppl try to warp, twist, and manipulate the bible to agree with a sin, make sure to keep the word true to its nature, and not yours.


Christianity is not a science, it is not an art. It is a way of living for God, if you have a problem with the way God wishes u to live then you are not living for him. It is more then likely your stridling the fence wanting a way into heaven and still commiting sin. remember god wants u hot or cold, not luke warm.

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