How might Satan Mimic the Second Coming in the Clouds of Heaven?

[AdamjEdgar]

Jesus said in Matthew 24:
26So if they tell you, ‘There He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.29Immediately after the tribulation of those days:

‘The sun will be darkened,

and the moon will not give its light;

the stars will fall from the sky,

and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.b’30At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven,c and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.d 31And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other."

Now we know that Satan is well read in the Bible, he knows the scriptures as well as anyone. In light of that, i am concerned about the statement in Matthew 24:24

24"For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible."

So I am wondering, how might Satan attempt to mimic the second coming in the clouds of heaven?
What biblical references exist that suggest God would either allow or disallow Satan the opportunity to mimic the Second Coming in the clouds of heaven (our atmosphere). No doubt Satan will attempt to mimic this event.

 

[Hammster]

Those things already happened in the first century. No need to concern yourself.

 

[Chrystal-J]

This may help you:
2 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
2 Thessalonians 2 (That whole chapter is a good explanation.)

 

[GraceInChrist]

I speak not from the bible, but from intuition. More than likely, the antichrist will be reveal after the vatican is destroyed. Fooling many the great harlot has fallen. Roman Catholic will believe he came to reform the church, and many other protestants will think God has come with judgement.

 

[dóxatotheó]

I speak not from the bible, but from intuition.

Those are the reasons they're are so many different eschatological beliefs now.

the antichrist will be reveal after the vatican is destroyed. Fooling many the great harlot has fallen.

I love my Christian brothers and sisters but to say the Vatican is the great harlot will cause division and debate and the arguments for that premise are usually misrepresentation of popes or not understanding Greek Numerical rules. So no the great harlot isn't the Catholic Church or the Vatican.

Roman Catholic will believe he came to reform the church, and many other protestants will think God has come with judgement.

I agree I presume.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Jesus said in Matthew 24:
26So if they tell you, ‘There He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.29Immediately after the tribulation of those days:

‘The sun will be darkened,

and the moon will not give its light;

the stars will fall from the sky,

and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.b’30At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven,c and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.d 31And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other."

Now we know that Satan is well read in the Bible, he knows the scriptures as well as anyone. In light of that, i am concerned about the statement in Matthew 24:24

24"For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible."

So I am wondering, how might Satan attempt to mimic the second coming in the clouds of heaven?
What biblical references exist that suggest God would either allow or disallow Satan the opportunity to mimic the Second Coming in the clouds of heaven (our atmosphere). No doubt Satan will attempt to mimic this event.

Satan deceives through ignorance. Be wise as a serpent and gentle as a dove. The signs and wonders are produced by "false prophets". Satan is enjoying the show. Discern.
Be blessed.

 

[JulieB67]

Now we know that Satan is well read in the Bible, he knows the scriptures as well as anyone.

Yes, he does, which will only further help his cause. He'll probably twist a scripture here or there and someone not well founded in the Bible would fall for it easily. And since it's God that sends the strong delusion I imagine people will have no problem thinking the Savior has returned because of those lying wonders and miracles. Will he completely mimic Christ's return? Maybe. I've thought about that at times myself. Paul states that he is 'disguised as an angel of light" And Revelation states he had horns like a lamb but spoke as a dragon.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

So I am wondering, how might Satan attempt to mimic the second coming in the clouds of heaven?

Have you ever seen the movie Independence Day? If he pulls a stunt like that, it will be impressive. Here is a clip.

But we know Lord Jesus comes on a white horse.

 

[Navair2]

So I am wondering, how might Satan attempt to mimic the second coming in the clouds of heaven?

He can't.
That is the one thing that he will be unable to do.

What biblical references exist that suggest God would either allow or disallow Satan the opportunity to mimic the Second Coming in the clouds of heaven (our atmosphere).

A strong one, where people won't need to be convinced with a sign like that...

" For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." ( 2 Thessalonians 2:7-12 ).

They will be convinced, because the Lord shall send them strong delusion...so that they should believe that Anti-Christ is God.

No doubt Satan will attempt to mimic this event.

Respectfully,
I have plenty of doubts that he will be able to do this.

He will do a lot of other things, but never this.

 

[GraceInChrist]

Those are the reasons they're are so many different eschatological beliefs now.

I love my Christian brothers and sisters but to say the Vatican is the great harlot will cause division and debate and the arguments for that premise are usually misrepresentation of popes or not understanding Greek Numerical rules. So no the great harlot isn't the Catholic Church or the Vatican.

I agree I presume.

I never said the Vatican is the great harlot. Im only trying to think as Satan would, to fool the world. If people believe something, why not use it.

 

[Navair2]

Those things already happened in the first century. No need to concern yourself.

Then we're all going to Hell.

His second coming is tied directly to the first resurrection ( the "Rapture" ) of His elect (Matthew 24:29-31)...
The one unto life ( Revelation 20:4-6 ).

If He's already come, then all we have left is the second resurrection;
The one unto death and the Lake of Fire.

 

[Hammster]

Then we're all going to Hell.

His second coming is tied directly to the first resurrection ( the Rapture ) of His elect...
The one unto life.

If He's already come, then all we have left is the second resurrection;
The one unto death and the Lake of Fire.

He’s already come on the clouds just like in the OT. Once you find out what it meant then, you’ll understand what Jesus meant in Matt 24. (Hint: see Isaiah 19)

 

[AdamjEdgar]

He’s already come on the clouds just like in the OT. Once you find out what it meant then, you’ll understand what Jesus meant in Matt 24. (Hint: see Isaiah 19)

hmm i very much doubt that. There is no evidence Jesus came in A.D 70...if he did, we absolutely should have significant historical texts that support a huge event such as this.
What did happen in A.D 70 was the Jews revolted, the Romans destroyed the city and killed a heap of them, and the Gentiles outside of that area we largely left untouched! That is hardly the persecution of Gods saints. The Jews were not his saints at that time, the gospel had already been given to the Gentiles during the apostle peter and pauls time. Therefore, Gentile saints would also suffer the persecution in the last days...and your doctrine above is completely inconsistent with that fact! The persecution of the saints is a world wide event...not just limited to a small region. It is also inconsistent with the 2300 day/years prophecy as well. That could not have ended in A.D70 the timeline simply does not fit.
Jesus listed a number of signs and wonders that must first take place before the second coming. a number of those signs did not take place until hundreds and even over 1,000 years after the destruction of Jerusalem (man shall increase in knowledge being just one of the prophecies...which is clearly now being fulfilled in our time!).

I would argue that one of the false christ second coming events is actually the current doctrine of A.D 70. That event did not demonstrate "as the lightning travels from east to west"... "every eye shall see him"...those who are alive are caught up together with the raised dead to meet the saviour in the air.

A.D70 was 100% not the second coming.

So the question remains...what is did Isaiah 19 really mean?

Here is one explaination...Isaiah 19 Pulpit Commentary (biblehub.com)

For example...

"The first manifest fulfillment of the prophecy was at the foundation of Alexandria, when the Jews were encouraged to become settlers by the concession of important privileges (Josephus, 'Contr. Ap.,' 2:4), and where they ultimately became the predominant element in the population, amounting, according to Philo ('In Flaec.,' § 6), to nearly a million souls."
​

Offtopic, however, i cannot help but add it in here because i wasnt aware of this reference until now...I find it incredible about this is also the reference relating to the Israelites crossing the Red Sea event...

Polyhistor, who says of the Exodus and the passage of the Red Sea, "The Memphites say that Moses, being well acquainted with the district, watched the ebb of the tide, and so led the people across the dry bed of the sea; but they of Heliopolis affirm that the king, at the head of a vast force, and having the sacred animals also with him, pursued after the Jews, because they were carrying away with them the riches which they had borrowed from the Egyptians. Then, "they say," the voice of God commanded Moses to smite the sea with his rod, and divide it; and Moses, when he heard, touched the water with it, and so the sea parted asunder, and the host marched through on dry ground." Such an account of the Exodus would scarcely have been given by Egyptians unless they were three parts Hebraized.​

 

[Hammster]

hmm i very much doubt that. There is no evidence Jesus came in A.D 70...if he did, we absolutely should have significant historical texts that support a huge event such as this.
What did happen in A.D 70 was the Jews revolted, the Romans destroyed the city and killed a heap of them, and the Gentiles outside of that area we largely left untouched! That is hardly the persecution of Gods saints. The Jews were not his saints at that time, the gospel had already been given to the Gentiles during the apostle peter and pauls time. Therefore, Gentile saints would also suffer the persecution in the last days...and your doctrine above is completely inconsistent with that fact! The persecution of the saints is a world wide event...not just limited to a small region. It is also inconsistent with the 2300 day/years prophecy as well. That could not have ended in A.D70 the timeline simply does not fit.
Jesus listed a number of signs and wonders that must first take place before the second coming. a number of those signs did not take place until hundreds and even over 1,000 years after the destruction of Jerusalem (man shall increase in knowledge being just one of the prophecies...which is clearly now being fulfilled in our time!).

I would argue that one of the false christ second coming events is actually the current doctrine of A.D 70. That event did not demonstrate "as the lightning travels from east to west"... "every eye shall see him"...those who are alive are caught up together with the raised dead to meet the saviour in the air.

A.D70 was 100% not the second coming.

So the question remains...what is did Isaiah 19 really mean?

Here is one explaination...Isaiah 19 Pulpit Commentary (biblehub.com)

For example...

"The first manifest fulfillment of the prophecy was at the foundation of Alexandria, when the Jews were encouraged to become settlers by the concession of important privileges (Josephus, 'Contr. Ap.,' 2:4), and where they ultimately became the predominant element in the population, amounting, according to Philo ('In Flaec.,' § 6), to nearly a million souls."
​

Offtopic, however, i cannot help but add it in here because i wasnt aware of this reference until now...I find it incredible about this is also the reference relating to the Israelites crossing the Red Sea event...

Polyhistor, who says of the Exodus and the passage of the Red Sea, "The Memphites say that Moses, being well acquainted with the district, watched the ebb of the tide, and so led the people across the dry bed of the sea; but they of Heliopolis affirm that the king, at the head of a vast force, and having the sacred animals also with him, pursued after the Jews, because they were carrying away with them the riches which they had borrowed from the Egyptians. Then, "they say," the voice of God commanded Moses to smite the sea with his rod, and divide it; and Moses, when he heard, touched the water with it, and so the sea parted asunder, and the host marched through on dry ground." Such an account of the Exodus would scarcely have been given by Egyptians unless they were three parts Hebraized.​

You may have read something into my post that wasn’t there. I never said that AD 70 was the Second Coming™. I said that He came on the clouds.

So it doesn’t matter what you think Isaiah 19 might mean. What matters is that Jesus’ hearers would have understood what was meant by coming on the clouds.

 

[SongOnTheWind]

Jesus said in Matthew 24:
26So if they tell you, ‘There He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.29Immediately after the tribulation of those days:

‘The sun will be darkened,

and the moon will not give its light;

the stars will fall from the sky,

and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.b’30At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven,c and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.d 31And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other."

Now we know that Satan is well read in the Bible, he knows the scriptures as well as anyone. In light of that, i am concerned about the statement in Matthew 24:24

24"For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible."

So I am wondering, how might Satan attempt to mimic the second coming in the clouds of heaven?
What biblical references exist that suggest God would either allow or disallow Satan the opportunity to mimic the Second Coming in the clouds of heaven (our atmosphere). No doubt Satan will attempt to mimic this event.

I think the strategy is to get people's focus away from the Word of God and to concentrate on the light show he will perform. Jesus Himself said that a wicked generation seeks a sign. Isn't it interesting that we have the phrase: "actions speak louder than words"? This of course is true - for man. But God's Word is so much more reliable than any sign or action anyone else can come up with.

The enemy can try to counterfeit, and boy does he try; but there comes a point where he can no longer compete with God's power. Take the plagues on Egypt. The first three Pharaoh's magicians were able to mimic. After that, it was no contest. Elijah's contest on Mount Carmel: 1 against 400. No contest. If it were that easy for him to deceive, then why we would be told not to be deceived? I'm not saying it's going to be easy, but we are told to keep watch and pray for a reason.

God is good and faithful. He who endures until the end will be saved.

 

[Navair2]

He’s already come on the clouds just like in the OT. Once you find out what it meant then, you’ll understand what Jesus meant in Matt 24.

We'll have to agree to disagree, then.

 

[SongOnTheWind]

He’s already come on the clouds just like in the OT. Once you find out what it meant then, you’ll understand what Jesus meant in Matt 24. (Hint: see Isaiah 19)

If so, then why have we not met Him in the air (been raptured)? Clearly not every eye saw Him, as the scriptures say we all shall.

Have we been left behind to the time of 1000 years where there will no longer be anymore death? Is there no more hope for salvation?

What is your chronology here?

 

[Hammster]

We'll have to agree to disagree, then.

Did you look at Isaiah 19?

 

[Hammster]

If so, then why have we not met Him in the air (been raptured)? Clearly not every eye saw Him, as the scriptures say we all shall.

Have we been left behind to the time of 1000 years where there will no longer be anymore death? Is there no more hope for salvation?

What is your chronology here?

We haven’t met Him in the air because coming on the clouds doesn’t mean He physically returned. It’s not His second advent

 

[SongOnTheWind]

We haven’t met Him in the air because coming on the clouds doesn’t mean He physically returned. It’s not His second advent

Then how would you explain the two events?