How many steps does it take?

danstribe said:

...at the same time the decomposing carcasses of those giant animals supposedly became what we call fossil fuel that runs the world today

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Coal comes from what were swamps and peat bogs. Oil and natural gas come from marine invertebrates (plankton in common parlance). The Sinclair Oil sign isn't scientifically accurate.

-57 said:

The dinosaur bones were fossilized as a result of being covered by the sedement of Noahs flood.

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Oooops.
Trace fossils on dinosaur bones from Upper Cretaceous eolian deposits in Mongolia: Taphonomic interpretation of paleoecosystems in ancient desert environments
>> The high frequency of trace fossils at the limb joints suggests that small animals targeted the collagen in the joint cartilage of dried dinosaur carcasses as a source of nitrogen, which was relatively scarce in the eolian environments of the Gobi desert during the Late Cretaceous. <<

USincognito said:

This is never a good sign.



We do.
Lizards Rapidly Evolve After Introduction to Island
Sympatric speciation
Rapid Evolution Changes Species in Real Time | DiscoverMagazine.com



Where did you get the impression that intelligence is the "goal" of evolution? Jellyfish don't even have a brain, but they've been extremely successful for almost 600,000,000 years.

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Oh my! If we evolved then there should be other species that are close to our brain capabilities! Lizards are not evolving they are adjusting to their environment. And no, jellyfish do not have the brain capabilities to think and consider and share that understanding as humans do...no other species does and no other species ever will because we alone have been given a spirit from God that makes us different from the rest of the animal kingdom, we are destined for the God Kingdom. As far as a "goal" for evolution...it would have no goal for anything but if it were true there SHOULD be other comparable intelligence with human beings and there is not. Our ability to think, to create to contemplate our destiny is not an evolutionary result or there would be other species that do it.

-57 said:

Question, how many places can a mutation occur in the human DNA?

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About 3,000,000,000

-57 said:

Question, how many of those mutations would be considered as beneficial?

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Most would be neutral, but any of them could be.

-57 said:

Question, what are the odds of a second benificial mutation occurring in the DNA that was changed by the previous mutation?

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100%. For instance we have two examples of duplication (which is a mutation) and subsequent mutation in the SRGAP2C and ARHGAP11B genes in humans. We also have the example of genome duplication (also a mutation) in an agnathan ancestor with subsequent mutations leading to the 4 different globin genes in humans.

danstribe said:

Oh my! If we evolved then there should be other species that are close to our brain capabilities!

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Why?

danstribe said:

Lizards are not evolving they are adjusting to their environment.

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Yeah, that is evolution.

danstribe said:

And no, jellyfish do not have the brain capabilities to think and consider and share that understanding as humans do...

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Sorry if my point wasn't clear. What I was trying to convey was that jellyfish have no brain, but they have been tremendously successful for almost 600,000,000 years. Conversely humans have only been around for about 200,000 years.

danstribe said:

As far as a "goal" for evolution...it would have no goal for anything but if it were true there SHOULD be other comparable intelligence with human beings and there is not. Our ability to think, to create to contemplate our destiny is not an evolutionary result or there would be other species that do it.

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Remember in my other post when I commented in reply to "if evolution is true" about not being a good sign? This response shows I was right.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

inability to understand

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Ad hominem attack 1

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

lack the inability to understand simple English

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Ad hominem attack 2.

BTW, at this point I stopped reading your post. For someone to reply in such a manner clearly demonstrates they have nothing to say.

danstribe said:

If this is true then what you are saying is that Lucifer, the holy anointed cherub, fell from his original state in 7 days?

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No.
We don't know how long it was from creation of Adam till the fall.

danstribe said:

Or possibly Eden the Garden of God was different than the garden that Adam was placed in which according to scripture was "east of Eden".

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There was no garden east of Eden.

USincognito said:

fevered imagination

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Yet another ad-hominem attack.

whats up eith you evos?

USincognito said:

Coal comes from what were swamps and peat bogs. Oil and natural gas come from marine invertebrates (plankton in common parlance). The Sinclair Oil sign isn't scientifically accurate.

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All of which was buried in the flood.

USincognito said:

About 3,000,000,000



Most would be neutral, but any of them could be.



100%. For instance we have two examples of duplication (which is a mutation) and subsequent mutation in the SRGAP2C and ARHGAP11B genes in humans. We also have the example of genome duplication (also a mutation) in an agnathan ancestor with subsequent mutations leading to the 4 different globin genes in humans.

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You started out good..then by the second question began to guess. I do understand your need to guess...considering you don't know the answer...or else you would have given them..

danstribe said:

Oh my! If we evolved then there should be other species that are close to our brain capabilities! Lizards are not evolving they are adjusting to their environment. And no, jellyfish do not have the brain capabilities to think and consider and share that understanding as humans do...no other species does and no other species ever will because we alone have been given a spirit from God that makes us different from the rest of the animal kingdom, we are destined for the God Kingdom. As far as a "goal" for evolution...it would have no goal for anything but if it were true there SHOULD be other comparable intelligence with human beings and there is not. Our ability to think, to create to contemplate our destiny is not an evolutionary result or there would be other species that do it.

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danstribe, I tend to see it this way....

Currently they are many different kinds of primates...all are knuckle walkers or jump from branch to branch while there is only 1 (one) that really walks up-right...humans.

Why is that?

According to the evo theories adaptive radiation among species occurs as they evolve. This adaptive radiation produces cousins....so to speak... that are very similar to each other. The evos point to the cats as example of adaptive radiation with the different varieties. Varieties such as tigers, leopards, cheeta, jaguar etc...all of which are said to be closely related. All of which are still extant.

According to the evos, like the cats, the variety of so-called not too distantly removed animal species “cousins” have happened with just about every genera...except man.

Man has no close extant relatives such as the cats and many other highly successful species currently do.

It appears that man’s branch on the tree has no offshoots, not even a twig.... no signs of adaptive radiation...WERE ALONE!

So I ask those that believe in evolutionism...where are our up-right walking cousins? Why is our closest so called cousin still a knuckle dragging chimp?

Now considering man has been so successful..you know, with his newly found hands to make tools, bigger brain, speech and so on, you would think that his family tree would have a few close branches representing his “cousins” adaptively radiating from it. BUT IT DOESN'T. Apparently this success meant extinction for man’s cousins...despite ALL the evolutionary models that say there should be other successful up-right walkers still around.

Of all of the claimed pre-humans in our so-called evolutionary linage, a few of them should have evolved through a similar but different branch and still be with us. The branch radiating out with one limb becoming human and the other some closely related human like animal.

You might be able to point to some fragmented skull and say, look here's a potential off shoot, buts that's about all she wrote. They stopped dead. Despite mans newly found hands to make tools, bigger brain, speech and so on.

It appears that mans branch on the tree has no successful offshoots, not even a twig.... no signs of adaptive radiation...WERE ALONE!



So I ask those that believe in evolutionism...where are our up-right walking cousins? Why is our closest so called cousin still a knuckle dragging chimp?

danstribe, seems like USincognito is replying back with some sort of living fossil argument.

USincognito said:

Sorry if my point wasn't clear. What I was trying to convey was that jellyfish have no brain, but they have been tremendously successful for almost 600,000,000 years. Conversely humans have only been around for about 200,000 years.

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Despite the argument that time coupled with mutations, and the normal pressures of evolutionary change should have been more than enough to introduce major morphological change into the living fossils. Considering the above, the event surrounding the K/T boundary and the massive change to the earth and the insignificant changes to the Coelacanth, Tuatara, Ginko tree, Wollemi Pine, Crocodiles and Horseshoe crabs make the likelihood of living fossils impossible and unfounded.
According to the old earth uniformitarian theory the whole world was upset in an iridium nightmare when a big time major world wide ecological “niche” changing event happened after a meteorite slammed into the earth, ...but, some how, species such as the Coelacanth, Tuatara, Ginko tree, Wollemi Pine, Crocodiles and Horseshoe crabs apparently weren't effected at all by the catastrophic event.
Despite this catastrophic event it is amazing that the evolutionist still claim that these living fossils conformed to their very own particular ecological niche. Some how they were able to pass through this world wide niche changing catastrophic event at the K/T boundary. It was at this time, 65 million years ago, that the evolutionist claim that 75% or so of all species from a wide range of taxonomic groupings on the land, in the skies and under the seas were wiped out forever.
It’s interesting to note that each of the above mentioned living fossils are claimed to have pre-dated this catastrophic event by tens of million years with virtually no change prior to or after the catastrophic event.

Coelacanth.........340 million years old

Tuatara.........200 million years old

Ginko tree.........125 million years old

Wollemi Pine.........150 million years old

Crocodiles.........140 million years old

Horseshoe crab.........200 million years old

Certainly after an event such as the supposed mass extinction mentioned above, the changed environment, disappearing food chains on land and in the seas, tsunamis crashing into continents, fire scorched landscapes, sun blocked “winters” and their temperature changes would have caused the tempo of evolution to increase all over the surface of the globe, in the air and under the seas. This increased evolutionary tempo would have allowed for the selection of new beneficial mutations while scrambling to create new dramatically varied species that thrived in the new environmental biomes created on the land, in the air and under the seas.
To perplex the issue even more, besides the mutational/natural selective changes mentioned above that should have occurred during the last 65 million years there is yet another mechanism that the evolutionist claim introduces major morphological changes into animals. This mechanism is Genetic Drift. Apparently in the last 65 + million years this process also produced no significant change where according to their theories a considerable change should have occurred to the Coelacanth, Tuatara, Ginko tree, Wollemi Pine, Crocodiles and Horseshoe crabs as their niches were upset.
The evolutionist say that change does happen. Shortly after the catastrophic event that supposably happened 65 million years ago at the Cretaceous/Tertiary boundary (KT), in a period of less than 50 million years a four legged wolf like animal Andrewsarchus (or what ever the latest evolution scenario is) is claimed to have evolved into a sleek sea creature. In this time period Andrewsarchus lost its legs as they turned into flippers, developed a spout with a new breathing system that contained special valves for shutting the nostrils, echo location system, blubber and other whale like features.....all while the living fossil Crocodile watched from the swamp as the Tuatara peeped his head out of his borrow under the shade of a the Ginko tree and Wollemi Pine. Meanwhile, the Horseshoe crabs scurried along the bay floors and the Coelacanth swam by in the oceans and didn't change outside of their normal genetic variations ...despite the morphological mutations and genetic drift that would have occurred over the millions upon millions of years as the species felt the massive environmental change to the fauna in it’s biome at the Cretaceous/Tertiary boundary that the evolutionist tell us happened 15 million years prior.
Living fossils such as the Coelacanth, Tuatara, Ginko tree, Wollemi Pine, Crocodiles and Horseshoe crabs do an enormous amount of damage to the evolutionary theories. These currently living species appear almost identical to their fossil counterparts. The question is, how did these “living fossils”...animals and plants ...survive the many millions upon millions of years with virtually no change? Perhaps they could last a few hundred thousand years unchanged, but according to evolutionary theories certainly not millions upon millions of years.
Some evolutionist will argue that these species found a special “ecological niche” and despite the enormous amount of mutations that they say would have occurred naturally in those millions of years they were somehow not exposed to the pressures presented by normal evolutionary change. The above shows why they are wrong.
The existence of the Coelacanth, Tuatara, Ginko tree, Wollemi Pine, Crocodiles and Horseshoe crabs are great example of creation. It shows that animals reproduce after their “kind” and don’t really change in the fashion in which the evolutionist claim. It seem as if the DNA and genetic code for the Coelacanth, Tuatara, Ginko tree, Crocodiles and Horseshoe crabs has been resistant to change through out it’s history....as expected.
It is just one more indication that scientist should view the geological column and the animals trapped in the fossil record as contemporaneous rather than separated by long time frames.

-57 said:

Ad hominem attack 1

Ad hominem attack 2.

BTW, at this point I stopped reading your post. For someone to reply in such a manner clearly demonstrates they have nothing to say.

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No, you obviously don't understand what an ad hominem is. And the fact that you have refused to respond to actual post or respond to my question from post #222, more than anything, paints me as the victor here since you're just refusing to even answer now.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

No, you obviously don't understand what an ad hominem is. And the fact that you have refused to respond to actual post or respond to my question from post #222, more than anything, paints me as the victor here since you're just refusing to even answer now.

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When will you show how mutations add up?

-57 said:

When will you show how mutations add up?

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I already did. In posts #273 and #227. Not my fault you obviously can't understand them. And before you say; NO, that's not an ad hominem. I have not even once used an ad hominem against you.
Now will you answer the question I asked you in post #223 regarding your claim that scientists are trying to 'unlock and restore damaged genes to increase life spans?' (your own words)

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

I already did. In posts #273 and #227. Not my fault you obviously can't understand them. And before you say; NO, that's not an ad hominem. I have not even once used an ad hominem against you.
Now will you answer the question I asked you in post #223 regarding your claim that scientists are trying to 'unlock and restore damaged genes to increase life spans?' (your own words)

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The ad-homs continue. Yeah you.

NEXT

-57 said:

The ad-homs continue. Yeah you.

NEXT

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AGAIN: I showed you how mutations added up in post # 227 and #273. I kept up my end of the bargain. Now will you give evidence for your claim that scientists are trying to unlock and restore damaged genes to increase life spans?

-57 said:

Yet another ad-hominem attack.

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Dishonestly truncated quote mining for the purpose of martyr complex. Shocking.

-57 said:

whats up eith you evos?

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Oh the irony. Coming from the person who keeps using "evolutionism" as an attack it's even more so.

USincognito said:

Dishonestly truncated quote mining for the purpose of martyr complex. Shocking.



Oh the irony. Coming from the person who keeps using "evolutionism" as an attack it's even more so.

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Perhaps ypu'll show us how mutations add up.

-57 said:

The bible is my proof.

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People of every faith say that their holy book is proof for their faith.