How many of you creationists...

[Nathan Poe]

Fair enough --- if that's your best answer --- continue thinking about me the way you do.

I think of you as entertainment -- no answer I could possibly give regarding the flood could change that.

I can't help that.

At least I co-operate.

cooperate with what?

 

[AV1611VET]

I think of you as entertainment...

At least I'm good for something, eh?

 

[LightSeaker]

At least I'm good for something, eh?

Your good for a lot. you have humor, you inspire discussion, you often cause me to google something that's new to me, you can be frustrating as all heck, and certainly entertaining.

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[AV1611VET]

Your good for a lot. you have humor, you inspire discussion, you often cause me to google something that's new to me, you can be frustrating as all heck, and certainly entertaining.

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--- awww --- thank you --- [seriously]

 

[gaara4158]

Point out the words I'm "spectacularly misinterpreting" in this conversation, which supposedly is an example of what you're talking about:

Q: Where is evidence of the Flood?
A: God removed it.
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I usually get accused of giving an "ad hoc" answer to that question (even though it should be "ad lib", not "ad hoc").

But anyway, I get accused of giving an ad hoc answer to that question.

How would you answer it?

Haha. No, you interpreted that question fine. But whenever "newbies" come around and tell you what you're doing wrong, you seem to think they mean to say that they've analyzed all half million of your posts, when that's not at all what they mean.

 

[adimus]

Point out the words I'm "spectacularly misinterpreting" in this conversation, which supposedly is an example of what you're talking about:

Q: Where is evidence of the Flood?
A: God removed it.
​

I usually get accused of giving an "ad hoc" answer to that question (even though it should be "ad lib", not "ad hoc").

But anyway, I get accused of giving an ad hoc answer to that question.

How would you answer it?

That must have been a greater miracle than the resurrection of Jesus then. How nature managed not to have rainbows before the flood is a great mystery.

And how certain rock layers uniformly contain more arid layers packed in between more temperate layers packed over seabed layers is also to be credited to God using these miracles to deceive all us modern day folks with knowledge of geology and paleontology too. Same goes for Astralopithecus (sp?) and Tiktaalik fossils and the like.

Hey AV1611, curious if your avatar had darker skin and short hair if he would look like Prez. O... LOL

 

[AV1611VET]

That must have been a greater miracle than the resurrection of Jesus then.

As I understand it, protons carry a positive charge; and just like two positive magnets, they will repel each other.

Now imagine a whole slew of protons forced to exist within the nucleus of an atom --- all trying to repel and get away from each other.

What is holding them together? The Strong Nuclear Force is.

From Hydrogen to [I think] Lead, the SNF has no problem doing its job. In Lead, the SNF is exactly the same strength as the force pushing them apart.

But above Lead on the Periodic Table, and the repelling force is stronger than the SNF, and the atom becomes [I believe the term is] unstable; and the more protons, the more unstable (?) the atom becomes.

(Someone please correct me here if I'm wrong.)

According to Peter, on the "Day of God", God is going to suspend the SNF, and every single proton in existence is going to go flying away from each other.

God is then going to take every single sub-atomic particle in existence and put them back together into a New Heaven and a New Earth.

Now --- why did I say all of this?

If God can give attention to every single sub-atomic particle in this universe, what makes you think it is so inconceivable that He orchestrated a clean-up after the Flood --- right down to the atomic level --- so that no trace --- and I mean no trace --- was left?

Then documented the Flood, so people wouldn't "be deceived" as others call it, when they look underground and see a "different story".

 

[loveiseverywhere]

If God can give attention to every single sub-atomic particle in this universe, what makes you think it is so inconceivable that He orchestrated a clean-up after the Flood --- right down to the atomic level --- so that no trace --- and I mean no trace --- was left?

Because God is not a liar.

But you seem to be doing a good job of it.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

As I understand it, protons carry a positive charge; and just like two positive magnets, they will repel each other.

Now imagine a whole slew of protons forced to exist within the nucleus of an atom --- all trying to repel and get away from each other.

What is holding them together? The Strong Nuclear Force is.

From Hydrogen to [I think] Lead, the SNF has no problem doing its job. In Lead, the SNF is exactly the same strength as the force pushing them apart.

But above Lead on the Periodic Table, and the repelling force is stronger than the SNF, and the atom becomes [I believe the term is] unstable; and the more protons, the more unstable (?) the atom becomes.

(Someone please correct me here if I'm wrong.)

According to Peter, on the "Day of God", God is going to suspend the SNF, and every single proton in existence is going to go flying away from each other.

God is then going to take every single sub-atomic particle in existence and put them back together into a New Heaven and a New Earth.

Now --- why did I say all of this?

If God can give attention to every single sub-atomic particle in this universe, what makes you think it is so inconceivable that He orchestrated a clean-up after the Flood --- right down to the atomic level --- so that no trace --- and I mean no trace --- was left?

Then documented the Flood, so people wouldn't "be deceived" as others call it, when they look underground and see a "different story".

Documenting an event without documenting the complete removal of said event's traces still amounts to deception.

 

[loveiseverywhere]

Now, will everyone stop feeding the troll so we can get back to a productive discussion.

 

[AV1611VET]

Documenting an event without documenting the complete removal of said event's traces still amounts to deception.

Why?

 

[adimus]

As I understand it, protons carry a positive charge; and just like two positive magnets, they will repel each other.

Now imagine a whole slew of protons forced to exist within the nucleus of an atom --- all trying to repel and get away from each other.

What is holding them together? The Strong Nuclear Force is.

From Hydrogen to [I think] Lead, the SNF has no problem doing its job. In Lead, the SNF is exactly the same strength as the force pushing them apart.

But above Lead on the Periodic Table, and the repelling force is stronger than the SNF, and the atom becomes [I believe the term is] unstable; and the more protons, the more unstable (?) the atom becomes.

(Someone please correct me here if I'm wrong.)

According to Peter, on the "Day of God", God is going to suspend the SNF, and every single proton in existence is going to go flying away from each other.

God is then going to take every single sub-atomic particle in existence and put them back together into a New Heaven and a New Earth.

Now --- why did I say all of this?

If God can give attention to every single sub-atomic particle in this universe, what makes you think it is so inconceivable that He orchestrated a clean-up after the Flood --- right down to the atomic level --- so that no trace --- and I mean no trace --- was left?

Then documented the Flood, so people wouldn't "be deceived" as others call it, when they look underground and see a "different story".

Ken Ham helped me see this one. God has called us to be truthful witnesses. "It is the glory of God to conceal a matter. It is the glory of kings to search it out."
God has given us critical thinking skills, or at least some of us anyway.

God has permitted that the fossil and geological records be found that indicate millions of years and evolution. So we can't be faithful to God's commands and simultaniously deny hard evidences before us.

And your theory about how the universe will perish in fire and be recreated is a creative one. I will credit you that. But the Bible does not say that.

Could it be that just as evolution took time, the church's role is taking a long time and Jesus' ministry took time, even his death and resurrection took time, that the new creation will take a long time and a lot of small steps with the people of God directly involved?

That is glorious. That is what I think. But I don't really know until then.

 

[loveiseverywhere]

And by the way- there are THREADS that you can post in to increase REPUTATION which is what I think she was referring to.

 

[LightSeaker]

If God can give attention to every single sub-atomic particle in this universe, what makes you think it is so inconceivable that He orchestrated a clean-up after the Flood --- right down to the atomic level --- so that no trace --- and I mean no trace --- was left?

Then documented the Flood, so people wouldn't "be deceived" as others call it, when they look underground and see a "different story".

The very fact that you must create an image of God as a deceiver in order to make your belief valid tells me that you are wrong.

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[LightSeaker]

And by the way- there are THREADS that you can post in to increase REPUTATION which is what I think she was referring to.

It is. And AV has posted a LOT in that thread.

.

 

[LightSeaker]

Why?

Because your painting an image of God as hiding the truth about His Own Creation. Now why would God be disdonest? I don't believe He would. Infact, I don't believe that God can be dishonest. I think the problem sits with the ancient middle-eastern myths within scriptures itself.

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[loveiseverywhere]

The creationists don't realize they're calling God a liar...but they are.

They only interpret the Bible symbolically when it suits their purposes.

Although, we all know Wisdom isn't really a woman though we call her one in Proverbs.

I'm surprised there aren't creationist archeologists right now digging in the desert for a woman named Wisdom.

 

[AV1611VET]

God has permitted that the fossil and geological records be found that indicate millions of years and evolution. So we can't be faithful to God's commands and simultaniously deny hard evidences before us.

God reveals Himself to us in two ways:

1. General Revelatlion = Nature
2. Special Revelation = Scripture

The two are not to conflict with one another, and the Bible is to take precedence.

So go ahead and search a matter out, so long as you align what you find underground with what you find written in God's Word.

 

[AV1611VET]

And by the way- there are THREADS that you can post in to increase REPUTATION which is what I think she was referring to.

If my reputation or post count or breathing bothers anyone, I can't help that.

 

[AV1611VET]

It is. And AV has posted a LOT in that thread.

What thread are you referring to?

(As if it's any of your business in the first place.)