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How many have actually read The Great Controversy or The Desire of Ages...

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That portrayal is grossly incorrect, even a man of straw. It is not what the Seventh-day Adventist movement teaches, neither the Messenger of the Lord, sister White, according to the Scripture.

Apparently a lot of your members who post here missed the message then.

It reveals ignorance [not-knowing] of the facts, and of the actual literature, even as given in the OP itself. It shows one has not actually read any of it, neither taken the time to honestly and objectively consider it, in what it says.

The claim that is first foisted here by your sect is that if one does not exercise the Saturday Sabbath they are sinning by 'breaking' that LAW and are thereby condemned to (at least the possibility) of eternal death.

The point of return response is that none of you ceased being sinners by observing that LAW to begin with, so such claims against other supposed 'lawbreakers' are utter nonsense.
Any person can show up on the 7th day, sit in a pew, and still be totally lost, and this is clearly taught during very many sermons, Bible Studies, etc.

They can do it sincerely and they all remain sinners regardless.

Please, take the time to actually study what is written and said. Thank you.

I am familiar with the dancing verbiage employed on most of these matters. Thank you.
 
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Years ago, when I related to the teacher of a "Bible" study I used to.attend that, "the Bible appears complicated, how do you make it out?,' he replied, "read books about the Bible."

So, off I went to the local Christian bookstore... Over a summer I accumulated and read many books "about the Bible."

Boy did I now know "about" the Bible, never mind that, in actuality, I did not.know the Bible itself, let alone, all the disagreements and discrepencies that books "about the Bible" always gloss over, for their author's collective failure to quit paaroting those "books about the Bible" they have obviously gotten their own books notions out of.

After not too long, I grew weary of not knowing the Bible itself, and even more so, of books purporting to be "Bible based."

During this time, I was also looking for an assembly I might regularly attend, as each appeared more "commentaries and seminaries" based then whatever actually being Bible based might.

Sometimes it happens that you come to be aware of what you no longer want than of what you do. So you search, and as you do, you find your way, if you continue to.question things with an.open mind - Acts 12:11.

When I at last found an assembly I found as curious about the Bible itself as determined to be taught by it, I stuck around, that I might examine what was what.

Around this time, I had begun to shift my focus to that of how I might possibly find out what principles the Bible itself teaches about how to study it, and I began to catch a glimpse of its still far off, but at least on the horizon now - shoreline.

One day, after an encounter with some Mormons, when I asked the co-pastor of the assembly I was now attending, what be a good book about dealing with Mormons, he simply said to me, "Just read Romans and then Galatians - Galatains is a commentary based on Romans, that addresses issues of works very similar to how Mornon doctrine."

So, that was what I did, and sure enough, when they returned, I not only understood where they were coming from, but could point to paasages in Romans and Galatains on said issues.

As I always ask what else I might apply a principle to, I began to apply the principle that co-pastor had implied by his answer, and by this I began to learn how the Spirit leads - through His Word.

I highly suggest this simple way to all.
 
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What's remarkable is how boring the works of Mohammed, Joseph Smith, and Ellen White are .

Whatever happened to "these books were too big and did not read them"??

Wasn't that you???

BTW - nobody can actually read the last chapter of the Great Controversy and then claim it is boring.

The Controversy Ended

Can't be done.

And of course when you view the index of chapters
The Great Controversy | Ellen White | John Wycliffe | Martin Luther

The one on the 2nd coming - is impressive as well

God's People Delivered

And it starts something in an obviously not-boring fashion like this


in Christ,

Bob
 
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If only you did believe them, for they foretold of the end-time prophetic movement.
My bible is reliable in telling me that the preaching and teaching of Jesus Christ is the end-times prophetic movement that the old testament prophets were waiting to see and predicted.
Hebrews 11:32-40 NAB (32) What more shall I say? I have not time to tell of Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, of David and Samuel and the prophets, (33) who by faith conquered kingdoms, did what was righteous, obtained the promises; they closed the mouths of lions, (34) put out raging fires, escaped the devouring sword; out of weakness they were made powerful, became strong in battle, and turned back foreign invaders. (35) Women received back their dead through resurrection. Some were tortured and would not accept deliverance, in order to obtain a better resurrection. (36) Others endured mockery, scourging, even chains and imprisonment. (37) They were stoned, sawed in two, put to death at sword's point; they went about in skins of sheep or goats, needy, afflicted, tormented. (38) The world was not worthy of them. They wandered about in deserts and on mountains, in caves and in crevices in the earth. (39) Yet all these, though approved because of their faith, did not receive what had been promised. (40) God had foreseen something better for us, so that without us they should not be made perfect.

1 Peter 1:10-12 NAB (10) Concerning this salvation, prophets who prophesied about the grace that was to be yours searched and investigated it, (11) investigating the time and circumstances that the Spirit of Christ within them indicated when it testified in advance to the sufferings destined for Christ and the glories to follow them. (12) It was revealed to them that they were serving not themselves but you with regard to the things that have now been announced to you by those who preached the good news to you (through) the holy Spirit sent from heaven, things into which angels longed to look.
 
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If only you did believe them, for they foretold of the end-time prophetic movement.

Movement? I suppose one could goof and suppose they know when the end times are and mistake the writings as future event. Ms. White's predecessor did just that. Birds of the feather Miller and White.

There is a man who hangs around the marina here. He say's he's Jesus. I don't believe him either. But I do give him a few bucks when I see him. It seems to help the DTs and the delusions of grandeur and allows a bit to eat as well.
 
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They can do it sincerely and they all remain sinners regardless.

/QUOTE]

1 out of 613 is a far cry from keeping the law. Not to mention that they break the one they say they keep.
 
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yes, it is a bit tedious entertaining that logical fallacy from them, the legal sinner claims. yawn.
 
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Those commandments can be so troublesome when you try to keep them all. 613 is a lot!

Mind you, driving one's car to a church that's 30 mins from your house is probably contrary to the letter and possibly the spirit of the seventh day sabbath commandment.
 
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Yes. I would also hope they pull the main fuse on the electrical panel before the service. It may be a bit dark but they could use candles....oops I guess not. Wax candles are a no no too not being in the bible. Too Roman Catholic.
 
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Yes. I would also hope they pull the main fuse on the electrical panel before the service. It may be a bit dark but they could use candles....oops I guess not. Wax candles are a no no too not being in the bible. Too Roman Catholic.

Something about not lighting a fire on the Sabbath?
 
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No such number in Scripture. Man of straw. Scripture says, "the Ten Commandments", the Great "first" and Great "second", and "one Law", but nowhere says anything about 613.

O.T. Israel lite for christians.

"Well, obeying the 613 didn't' work. Let's just try 10 for now."
 
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No such number in Scripture. Man of straw. Scripture says, "the Ten Commandments", the Great "first" and Great "second", and "one Law", but nowhere says anything about 613.
And yet your sect promotes some of them in your food laws
Come on man! Make up your mind.
I suppose it's a pick and choose type thing.

 
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And lest we forget to call it a strawman for dramatic effect.

Adam and Eve had ONE LAW and completely blew it.

Why believers think they can improve on those odds is the only strange part.

That being said, I do LOVE the LAW, every jot and tittle of it.

And I believe it is rightfully against all lawlessness. Even if that means it is against ME.

A bit harder to go there, but a very satisfying step.

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And yet your sect promotes some of them in your food laws
Come on man! Make up your mind.
I suppose it's a pick and choose type thing. ...
Since when did Jesus' death upon the cross change the laws of God in health for mankind?

Read Acts 15, closely, and prayerfully [seriously], and you'll see something amazing there, as the Council there, even by the mouth of James cites the heath laws straight from the Torah/Pentateuch, and that is not the only place.

A lot of people, abuse some of the writings of Paul, even as Peter warned them not to do.

Read Isaiah 66:17, and see the "when" of such consumation, for consider the context is the 2nd Advent, therefore the passage is speaking to professed Christians...
 
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Yes, I've read The Great Controversy. It's just a history book--and not a very accurate one--with anti-Roman Catholic emphases. I have always wondered where Ellen G. White picked up her copy and what its author had entitled the book.
So, you do not see any connection with what was written over 150 years ago, in dealing with freedom of religion, and a corrupt religious power, yoking with a corrupt state power, and enforcing their "brand" of religion, especially in regards to sunday laws?

You do not see any of it as light, in regards the following facts? - Sunday Law News Update for 2014

Would you be willing to reconsider Chapter 35, Liberty of Conscience Threatened - Ellen G. White Writings


Attack on the Sabbath and the coming Sunday Law Part 2 - YouTube
 
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You know that symbol in your sig? it is the Baal Hadad... Sun/Sickle-Crescent Moon, even the Male/Female, and rebirth of the sungod.

Look it up...

Baal Hadad

It is not merely Arabic...
Do you even know why the Arabic letter for n is in her sig? Islamists in Iraq are marking Christian houses with this letter to target them for harassment and death.
 
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That is so funny. You think it took a Divine Messenger to see the blatantly obvious that the church(es) have been in bed with state almost from the beginning?

Any common blind unbeliever could have made the same conclusions.


Your sect has had it's reps in the seats of representatives in the U.S. as well, so don't act all surprised.

Were the lot of you in charge I shudder to think what you'd force everyone to do.
 
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