How Many Evenings are in a Day?

[HARK!]

(CLV) Mt 28:1
Now it is the evening of the sabbaths. At the lighting up into one of the sabbaths came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to behold the sepulcher.

(CLV) Jn 20:1
Now, on one of the sabbaths, Miriam Magdalene is coming to the tomb in the morning, there being still darkness, and is observing the stone taken away from the door of the tomb.

(CLV) Jn 20:19
It being, then, the evening of that day, one of the sabbaths, and the doors having been locked where the disciples were gathered together, because of fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst and is saying to them, "Peace to you!"

 

[trophy33]

(CLV) Mt 28:1
Now it is the evening of the sabbaths. At the lighting up into one of the sabbaths came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to behold the sepulcher.

(CLV) Jn 20:1
Now, on one of the sabbaths, Miriam Magdalene is coming to the tomb in the morning, there being still darkness, and is observing the stone taken away from the door of the tomb.

(CLV) Jn 20:19
It being, then, the evening of that day, one of the sabbaths, and the doors having been locked where the disciples were gathered together, because of fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst and is saying to them, "Peace to you!"

Its a really strange translation.

Mia ton sabbaton in Greek is not "one of the sabbaths", but "the first day of the week".

 

[HARK!]

Its a really strange translation.

Mia ton sabbaton in Greek is not "one of the sabbaths", but "the first day of the week".

This doesn't answer the question. I'd like to keep this thread on topic.

 

[trophy33]

This doesn't answer the question. I'd like to keep this thread on topic.

In that case you should specify your question because you just quoted three verses.

 

[HARK!]

In that case you should specify your question because you just quoted three verses.

The question is in the title of the thread, which precedes those three verses.

 

[zippy2006]

(CLV) Mt 28:1
Now it is the evening of the sabbaths. At the lighting up into one of the sabbaths came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to behold the sepulcher.

(CLV) Jn 20:1
Now, on one of the sabbaths, Miriam Magdalene is coming to the tomb in the morning, there being still darkness, and is observing the stone taken away from the door of the tomb.

(CLV) Jn 20:19
It being, then, the evening of that day, one of the sabbaths, and the doors having been locked where the disciples were gathered together, because of fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst and is saying to them, "Peace to you!"

Is there something about these three verses which leads you to believe that there might be more than one evening in a day?

 

[HARK!]

Is there something about these three verses which leads you to believe that there might be more than one evening in a day?

No.

So which evening do you suppose composes the same 24 hour period of that of the daylight?

 

[zippy2006]

No.

So which evening do you suppose composes the same 24 hour period of that of the daylight?

Are you asking this question? "Does the evening come before the daylight or after the daylight?"

 

[HARK!]

Are you asking this question? "Does the evening come before the daylight or after the daylight?"

Let me try to be more clear. According to the scripture provided, which of these two evenings composes a full 24 hour day, with the daylight time that is mention in this scripture, the one before daylight, or the one after daylight?

 

[zippy2006]

Let me try to be more clear. According to the scripture provided, which of these two evenings composes a full 24 hour day, with the daylight time that is mention in this scripture, the one before daylight, or the one after daylight?

I don't understand the word "composes." There is no evening that composes a full 24-hour day.

But if you are asking whether the evening of a day comes before the daylight of the day or after the daylight of the day, I don't really know. I have heard it said that it generally comes before the daylight of the day, but that a sabbath day begins with the evening before daylight and ends after the evening after daylight (and thus has two evenings). That is how we treat the Lord's Day in Catholicism, and I have heard it said that this is a continuation of Jewish custom. The same would be true for high feasts.

 

[sandman]

(CLV) Mt 28:1
Now it is the evening of the sabbaths. At the lighting up into one of the sabbaths came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to behold the sepulcher.

(CLV) Jn 20:1
Now, on one of the sabbaths, Miriam Magdalene is coming to the tomb in the morning, there being still darkness, and is observing the stone taken away from the door of the tomb.

(CLV) Jn 20:19
It being, then, the evening of that day, one of the sabbaths, and the doors having been locked where the disciples were gathered together, because of fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst and is saying to them, "Peace to you!"

Maybe this will help

Mat 28:1 In the end of [the Greek is better translated “now late on”] the sabbath, as it began to dawn [as it was getting dusk] toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see [theōreō = gaze on] the sepulchre.

The Aramaic word eis can also be used of dusk or twilight ...this is the way epiphōskō and eis are used in Luke 23:54 …..they refer to the time when a new day was drawing on…. which was around sunset by Judean reckoning.
Luk 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

as it began to dawn- epiphōskō
toward - eis


Jhn 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

Since Passover was always on a full moon. Mary was coming early in the morning (which would have been our Sunday) using the light of at least a ¾ moon

 

[HARK!]

I don't understand the word "composes." There is no evening that composes a full 24-hour day.

But if you are asking whether the evening of a day comes before the daylight of the day or after the daylight of the day, I don't really know. I have heard it said that it generally comes before the daylight of the day, but that a sabbath day begins with the evening before daylight and ends after the evening after daylight (and thus has two evenings). That is how we treat the Lord's Day in Catholicism, and I have heard it said that this is a continuation of Jewish custom. The same would be true for high feasts.

I asked the question based on the scripture provided, not what we've heard, nor on what the Pharisees said.

 

[HARK!]

The Aramaic word eis can also be used of dusk or twilight ...this is the way epiphōskō and eis are used in Luke 23:54 …..they refer to the time when a new day was drawing on…. which was around sunset by Judean reckoning.

Which Judeans? The sons of darkness? The sons of light? Both?

 

[DamianWarS]

The question is in the title of the thread, which precedes those three verses.

The question is too cryptic. The title of the thread sounds rhetoric because we all know the answer to it (and we don't need scripture to know that answer) so there is no need to state it. If you require us to state the answer then it seems like a trap or some sort of gotcha moment. the verses in the OP need to be unpacked more so we understand your intentions as the translation itself is quite different than most other translations which suggest an agenda specific to this translation. If you were a bit more transparent then maybe what you're asking would be more clear.

 

[HARK!]

Jhn 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

So had it come?

Since Passover was always on a full moon.

Not according to the Zadokite calendar. Should we trust the rightful Zadokite Priesthood, who YHWH gave authority to keep his word; or should we trust the Pharisees who Yahshua said didn't rightly know scripture?

 

[HARK!]

The question is too cryptic. The title of the thread sounds rhetoric because we all know the answer to it (and we don't need scripture to know that answer) so there is no need to state it. If you require us to state the answer then it seems like a trap or some sort of gotcha moment. the verses in the OP need to be unpacked more so we understand your intentions as the translation itself is quite different than most other translations which suggest an agenda specific to this translation. If you were a bit more transparent then maybe what you're asking would be more clear.

I'm just looking for the truth. No one is twisting your arm to take part in this discussion.

 

[DamianWarS]

I'm just looking for the truth. No one is twisting your arm to take part in this discussion.

and I'm asking for clarity because I'm confused by the question and general direction of the thread

 

[sandman]

So had it come?



Not according to the Zadokite calendar. Should we trust the rightful Zadokite Priesthood, who YHWH gave authority to keep his word; or should we trust the Pharisees who Yahshua said didn't rightly know scripture?

You are looking at it one way.... I look at it as....cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark,
I have has disputes with others on this.... What I have read is the first month was always new moon. Passover was the 14th, feast of unleavened bread began on the 15th of Nisan. I don't know how that changes the full moon ...but if it did ...it would only be by 1 day if I remember....(could be wrong on that)

 

[HARK!]

What I have read is the first month was always new moon. Passover was the 14th, feast of unleavened bread began on the 15th of Nisan. I don't know how that changes the full moon ...but if it did ...it would only be by 1 day if I remember....(could be wrong on that)

That's the Pharisee calendar. The Zadokite calendar is independent of the lunar cycle. There were multiple calendars in use at the time that Yahshua walked the earth. I suspect that Yahshua was adhering to the Zadokite calendar, as he began his ministry at Betharaba, where the Zadokites were expecting him and Yochanan the Immerser. Multiple calendars might explain some of the seeming discrepancies in the accounts leading up to his death, and shortly thereafter.

 

[HARK!]

and I'm asking for clarity because I'm confused by the question and general direction of the thread

I'm not sure which direction it is going. This is a fact finding mission. It seems that the more that I find answers, as I seek out the truth, the more questions I am left with.