How many agree with this

[namericanboy]

Is there a god of this world that some follow?

 

[mont974x4]

OK, how about a biblical example?

NASB
Exo 32:4 He took this from their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool and made it into a molten calf; and they said, "This is your god, O Israel, who brought you up from the land of Egypt."


Here we have Aaron, having made an idol and attributiing the acts of God to it and the people worship this one god. It is still not God, it is a god.

The way people approach an issue, person, or thing does not make it God, no matter what they beleive it has done for them. We do not make God to be God, He is God regardless of how we view Him.

 

[stumpjumper]

Yeah, Heaven forbid we actually uphold truth...contend earnestly for the faith.

Again, though, you can uphold the truth of your convictions without making strawmen of what other people (the Pope) say.

You can affirm that Christianity is true and that Islam is incorrect in many ways while still realizing that they are both Abrahamic religions and both groups worship God.

They just do so in different ways one of which is "genuine" and one perverted if you wish to use that terminology.

In the scenario I presented it is simply the sun, even if they beleive the sun is the creator and they worship the sun alone does not mean they are worshipping God.

In some sense they are, yes. Let's use a less ridiculous example, shall we?

How about a Hindu whom you see in meditative prayer? They are giving thanks to God and petitioning God to lead them in this life.

Is God not listening to this prayer? Is God not aware that this Hiindu is praying and asking to be led from darkness to light and seeking peace?

The Gayatri Mantra:

Lead Us From the Unreal To Real,
Lead Us From Darkness To Light,
Lead Us From Death To Immortality,
Aum (the universal sound of God)
Let There Be Peace Peace Peace.

Is God unaware of the hairs on that Hindu's head?

How is the above worship and prayer not being presented to the only God that exists?

 

[mont974x4]

You accuse me of a fallacy and your the one going about saying that because someone is a monothiest then they do worship God?

Thanks for the chuckle, I really needed it this AM.

 

[stumpjumper]

The way people approach an issue, person, or thing does not make it God, no matter what they beleive it has done for them. We do not make God to be God, He is God regardless of how we view Him.

I think that you are now agreeing with me

 

[stumpjumper]

You accuse me of a fallacy and your the one going about saying that because someone is a monothiest then they do worship God?

Thanks for the chuckle, I really needed it this AM.

And again, then, who are they worshipping?

Nobody has shown that there is another God that is the object of this worship and is listening to the prayers of the various world religions...

God is who he is regardless of how we view him indeed!

 

[mont974x4]

And again, then, who are they worshipping?

Nobody has shown that there is another God that is the object of this worship and is listening to the prayers of the various world religions...

God is who he is regardless of how we view him indeed!

Who knows? It depends who they are. They could be praying to a golden calf, the sun, the moon, a tree, a rock, anything really. These things do not have eyes or ears and they do not do anything....they are gods, not God....no matter how the people view them, or how pious their prayers and worship may appear.

 

[Albion]

Who knows? It depends who they are. They could be praying to a golden calf, the sun, the moon, a tree, a rock, anything really. These things do not have eyes or ears and they do not do anything....they are gods, not God....no matter how the people view them, or how pious their prayers and worship may appear.

This discussion has reached the point that I have to ask the "any god is the same as any other" side why they think we have a first commandment if their POV is right.

 

[stumpjumper]

Who knows?

But does what they are directing their worship to exist as a God?

It depends who they are.

They could be praying to a golden calf, the sun, the moon, a tree, a rock, anything really. These things do not have eyes or ears and they do not do anything....they are gods, not God....no matter how the people view them, or how pious their prayers and worship may appear.

That is how they depict the God they are worshipping, sure, and it is incorrect. But, that doesn't mean that the true recipient of that worship is something other than the only God that exists and one who does so omnipresently.

 

[stumpjumper]

This discussion has reached the point that I have to ask the "any god is the same as any other" side why they think we have a first commandment if their POV is right.

I guess you would have to ask them if you find someone who said that...

 

[Albion]

I guess you would have to ask them if you find someone who said that...

I just did.

 

[mont974x4]

But does what they are directing their worship to exist as a God?



That is how they depict the God they are worshipping, sure, and it is incorrect. But, that doesn't mean that the true recipient of that worship is something other than the only God that exists and one who does so omnipresently.

OK, so the golden calf really was God and not a god?


Then why were they punished?

 

[stumpjumper]

I just did.

Again, though, I never said "any god is the same as any other".

I would say that there is only one God who exists, that God exists omnipresently, and that God is aware of all those who pray and is aware of all the hairs on even a Muslim's head.

Now, in regards to how we depict God and or describe God, I would say that all religions contain some truth and that the existence of this truth in non-Christian religions is from listening to the all present spirit of God that can be experienced in this world. I would also say that Christianity uniquely expresses truths about God, man, and the world that other religions get wrong and that there is certainly something to be said about that.

I wouldn't say "any god is the same as any other" but rather that only one God exists and that God is capable of receiving worship, hearing prayer, and being experienced outside of traditional Christianity.

 

[stumpjumper]

OK, so the golden calf really was God and not a god?

Yes and No. I think the question is phrased incorrectly.

However, God was aware that they were worshipping Him through idolatrous means.

Then why were they punished?

Because they were worshipping God incorrectly.

Obviously the real God was aware that they worshipping incorrectly or they wouldn't have been corrected.

That just shows that there was no other God that exists that was listening to that prayer and receiving that worship

 

[mont974x4]

Again, though, I never said "any god is the same as any other".

I would say that there is only one God who exists, that God exists omnipresently, and that God is aware of all those who pray and is aware of all the hairs on even a Muslim's head.

Now, in regards to how we depict God and or describe God, I would say that all religions contain some truth and that the existence of this truth in non-Christian religions is from listening to the all present spirit of God that can be experienced in this world. I would also say that Christianity uniquely expresses truths about God, man, and the world that other religions get wrong and that there is certainly something to be said about that.

I wouldn't say "any god is the same as any other" but rather that only one God exists and that God is capable of receiving worship, hearing prayer, and being experienced outside of traditional Christianity.

Really? Then you deny the Word of God.
1. We are not to worship anything but God
2. Sin gets in the way of God hearing our prayers

Check out what Isaiah 1 says and the consequences of sin and worshipping false gods.


Yes, God does know all about every person, including whether they are His or not and whether they are praying to the sun, the moon, the rock or the golden calf.

 

[TraderJack]

Again, though, you can uphold the truth of your convictions without making strawmen of what other people (the Pope) say.

No one has made any strawman of what JPII said.

I cited him VERBATIM, as well as three other Roman Catholic sources, verbatim, and proposed questions.

So please try not to misrepresent the methodology.

You can affirm that Christianity is true and that Islam is incorrect in many ways while still realizing that they are both Abrahamic religions and both groups worship God.

Correction. YOU can affirm that, but there is a great number of Christians who will not compromise the truth
You are free to say you worship the same god as Islam all you want, but do not try to impose your error on anyone else.

 

[mont974x4]

Yes and No. I think the question is phrased incorrectly.

However, God was aware that they were worshipping Him through idolatrous means.



Because they were worshipping God incorrectly.

Obviously the real God was aware that they worshipping incorrectly or they wouldn't have been corrected.

That just shows that there was no other God that exists that was listening to that prayer and receiving that worship

want to try again?

nasb
Exo 32:7 Then the LORD spoke to Moses, "Go down at once, for your people, whom you brought up from the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves.
Exo 32:8 "They have quickly turned aside from the way which I commanded them. They have made for themselves a molten calf, and have worshiped it and have sacrificed to it and said, 'This is your god, O Israel, who brought you up from the land of Egypt!'"

 

[TraderJack]

Originally Posted by TraderJack
Do you worhip the same creator god the New Agers, Wiccans, JWs and Mormons do as well?

Of course.

May God help your confused, politically correct soul.

There is only one creator God out there

Correction: There is only one True Creator God, but there are many false versions that describe a totally different god than the One, True God.

And just because some group uses the word, "god" does not mean they are talking about the same God who has revealed Himself very specifically and precisely in Scripture and through His Son.

The Canaanites worshipped a creator god too, and the One, True God sais categorically that they worshipped a false god.

so obviously I worship the same God as those groups do we just do so in different ways and with different systematic theologies, statements, pronouncements, and practices...

Relativism at work.

 

[stumpjumper]

No one has made any strawman of what JPII said.

I cited him VERBATIM, as well as three other Roman Catholic sources, verbatim, and proposed questions.

So please try not to misrepresent the methodology.

You're the one who started shifting goalposts and adding in genuine and many other things which were never said.

Correction. YOU can affirm that, but we as Christians will not compromise the Truth in such a manner.

You are free to say you worship the same god as Islam all you want, but do not try to impose your error on anyone else.

So only people who agree with YOU are Christian?

Can you make me a list of who they are? I'm guessing I'm out, eh?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

May God help your confused, politically correct soul.

May He also help mine.

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