How many agree with this

[JacktheCatholic]

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Is the god of Islam and Roman Catholicism one and the same god?

You mean YEHWAH?

 

[JacktheCatholic]

I only called me daddy "father" though I also called [he is deceased now] him "pop" and "pops"

http://christianforums.com/t6980813-that-martin-luther-he-wasn’t-so-bad-says-pope.html

LETTER TO POPE LEO X, ACCOMPANYING
THE "RESOLUTIONS" TO THE XCV THESES

1518

To the

Most Blessed Father,

How about Abba?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

You mean YEHWAH?

The Great I-AM!!!!

http://www.christianforums.com/t5925329-question-on-exouds-3-and-i-am-hayah.html

Exodus 3:12 And He is saying: "That I Shall Be/01961 hayah with thee, and this for thee the-Sign that I sent thee in to bring forth you the people out of Egypt. Ye shall serve The-'Elohiym on the Mountain, the-this.'
13And- Mosheh -is-saying to The-'Elohiym, "Lo, I coming to sons of Yisra'el, and I say to them, 'Elohiym of your fathers He sends me to you'. And they have said to me, 'What Name of Him'? What shall I say to them"?
And 'Elohiym is saying to Mosheh, "I-shall-be/01961 hayah who I-shall-be/01961 hayah". And-He saying "Thus you shall say to sons of Yisra'el, 'I-shall-be/01961 hayah, He-sent-me unto-you'".

01961 hayah {haw-yaw} a primitive root [compare 01933]; TWOT - 491; v
1) to be, become, come to pass, exist, happen, fall out 1a) (Qal) 1a1) ----- \7 1a1a) to happen, fall out, occur, take place, come about, come to pass 1a1b) to come about, come to pass 1a2) to come into being, become 1a2a) to arise, appear, come 1a2b) to become 1a2b1) to become 1a2b2) to become like 1a2b3)

1096. ginomai a prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb; to cause to be ("gen"-erate), i.e. (reflexively) to become (come into being), used with great latitude (literal, figurative, intensive, etc.):--

 

[TraderJack]

Originally Posted by TraderJack
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Is the god of Islam and Roman Catholicism one and the same god?

You mean YEHWAH?

Do you agree with JPII, Lumen Gentium, VatII and the Roman magesterium that Roman Catholicism and Islam "adore"(ie-worship), "one and the same" god as Islam?

 

[JacktheCatholic]

The Great I-AM!!!!

Are you saying you are great?

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Oh, I understand that quite well since that is precisely how Roman Catholicism morphed into it's own religion during the Dark Ages.

Yeah... I think that happened the same time King Besalbob killed that dreaded Red Dragon that was such a pest.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Originally Posted by TraderJack
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Is the god of Islam and Roman Catholicism one and the same god?



Do you agree with JPII, Lumen Gentium, VatII and the Roman magesterium that Roman Catholicism and Islam "adore"(ie-worship), "one and the same" god as Islam?

Islam and Judaism and Christianity all share a worship of Yehwah.

FACT

 

[PassthePeace1]

It was a jab at the "call no man father" scenario..

Well now that you have had your jab, can you please answer the other question? I reposted it below.

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For the sake of the point I was making, it doesn't matter why the Jews don't accept Jesus as the Messiah.....the point is they don't.

Do you see the God of the Jews, different than Christians....because they don't know Jesus?

Wrong!

The God of Abraham is the God of the Bible and historic Christian faith, Triune, with Christ being the Second Person, the Son of God.

The God of Abraham is categorically denied by Islam.

So do the Jews? So does that mean, that they don't worship the God of Abraham?

Why do you reject the Words of Christ Jesus is what I want to know?

I don't.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Are you saying you are great?

I am but a small meek little voice crying out in the Wilderness for everyone to come and dine with YHWH and His Son Jesus.

http://www.christianforums.com/t5925...-am-hayah.html

Exodus 3:12 And He is saying: "That I Shall Be/01961 hayah with thee, and this for thee the-Sign that I sent thee in to bring forth you the people out of Egypt. Ye shall serve The-'Elohiym on the Mountain, the-this.'

01961 hayah {haw-yaw} a primitive root [compare 01933]; TWOT - 491; v
1) to be, become, come to pass, exist, happen, fall out 1a) (Qal) 1a1) 1a1a) to happen, fall out, occur, take place, come about, come to pass 1a1b) to come about, come to pass 1a2)

Reve 21:6 And He said to me: "it-has-become/gegonen <1096> (5754).
I am the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end. I, to the one thirsting, shall be giving out of the spring of the water of the life gratuitously

1096. ginomai a prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb; to cause to be ("gen"-erate), i.e. (reflexively) to become (come into being), used with great latitude (literal, figurative, intensive, etc.):--

 

[Albion]

Islam and Judaism and Christianity all share a worship of Yehwah.

Question. If one says he worships X but reinvents X to be the opposite in most ways from what X actually is, can we honestly say he's worshipping X?

If I say, for example, that I worship JFK (there is a church that does) because of his wonderful emancipation of the slaves and because he wrote the US Constitution, am I worshipping JFK or not??

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Question. If one says he worships X but reinvents X to be the opposite in most ways from what X actually is, can we honestly say he's worshipping X?

If I say, for example, that I worship JFK (there is a church that does) because of his wonderful emancipation of the slaves and because he wrote the US Constitution, am I worshipping JFK or not??

X cannot change.

But for the sake of argument...

What did King Henry VIII do when he decided he would use his power to institute the Act of Supremacy? Some would say he changed what God created and made something else. That would put into question whether or not you worship Jesus.

Do you see my point?

 

[MoNiCa4316]

Maybe it's just the way you put it ( "...but they still worship 'one God'...there is but one God.)

OK, I get your point. I don't agree with it, but I see what you're saying. IMO, there is no reason to presume that thinking of god as unitary has to have come from God himself.

does the devil give people lies? doesn't all truth come from God? the fact that there is one God is the truth...(even if the Muslims got everything else wrong, they still have that)

If it did, why would he stop there?

He didn't stop there...that's why we have Christianity, lol...Muslims just haven't accepted the whole truth yet...they only accepted that bit of it about there being one God.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Is the god of Islam and Roman Catholicism one and the same god?

This would have been a good thread to make a poll on.

 

[MoNiCa4316]

Islam and Judaism and Christianity all share a worship of Yehwah.

FACT

yup, but just to clarify (not for you but for others), only Christians actually have the correct knowledge of Him
the others worship without knowledge, and since they don't know the Son, they don't know the Father either.

Question. If one says he worships X but reinvents X to be the opposite in most ways from what X actually is, can we honestly say he's worshipping X?

If one percent of X remains after the 'reinvention', if X was conscious it would attribute that bit to itself

 

[simonthezealot]

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For the sake of the point I was making, it doesn't matter why the Jews don't accept Jesus as the Messiah.....the point is they don't.

Do you see the God of the Jews, different than Christians....because they don't know Jesus?

It is completely irrelevant to the topic and here is why, the holy scripture explains as I mentioned in Romans that the Jews will be prevented from accepting, and scripture also says so if you know not me (Jesus) you know not my father...

So based on these things i'd say what the Jews believe NOW is a different GOD,at least until the veil is lifted...But that is only my opinion...Those whom are given the revelation of Christ and deny will become blind to Him if you know not Him you know not His father.

The point of this thread though is JP2 said it was one in the same and scripture says different, no matter what camp you put the Jews into.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

It is completely irrelevant to the topic and here is why, the holy scripture explains as I mentioned in Romans that the Jews will be prevented from accepting, and scripture also says so if you know not me (Jesus) you know not my father...

So based on these things i'd say what the Jews believe NOW is a different GOD,at least until the veil is lifted...But that is only my opinion...Those whom are given the revelation of Christ and deny will become blind to Him if you know not Him you know not His father.

The point of this thread though is JP2 said it was one in the same and scripture says different, no matter what camp you put the Jews into.

BUT...

They know God as Yehwah and they know God as the Holy Spirit. They do not know God as Jesus. So it seems to me that it is the same God but that they do not know him as well as Christians do.

What are your thoughts?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

BUT...

They know God as Yehwah and they know God as the Holy Spirit. They do not know God as Jesus. So it seems to me that it is the same God but that they do not know him as well as Christians do.

What are your thoughts?

http://foru.ms/t2890869&page=8

). Whereas, the "Holy Spirit" was always & already present right? So, how could Jesus(p) say;"but if I go, I will send Holy Spirit"?!!!!
&#8230;Very illogical.
Mughammed(p) is this paraclete. Sorry guys.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

http://christianforums.com/t2890869&page=8

). Whereas, the "Holy Spirit" was always & already present right? So, how could Jesus(p) say;"but if I go, I will send Holy Spirit"?!!!!
…Very illogical.
Mughammed(p) is this paraclete. Sorry guys.

Did he say Holy Spirit or Paraclete???

I am so confused...

 

[simonthezealot]

BUT...

They know God as Yehwah and they know God as the Holy Spirit. They do not know God as Jesus. So it seems to me that it is the same God but that they do not know him as well as Christians do.

What are your thoughts?

That is where I insert Romans 11:25...Furthermore Jews and Muslims are NOT the same, so we certainly should not treat them as such.
But for example when Joshua first came across the soldier of the Lord (HS within this man) and he was told to drop to his knees as he was on sacred ground. He did it knowing full well, yet when Christ came many did not accept and scripture seems pretty clear that if you don't accept Him when He reveals Himself to you you'll then become unable, if I recall correctly in Hebrews 4 or 5.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

That is where I insert Romans 11:25...Furthermore Jews and Muslims are NOT the same, so we certainly should not treat them as such.

I see them both in the same light and why shouldn't I?