How many agree with this

[TraderJack]

ADDRESS OF POPE JOHN PAUL II
TO THE PARTICIPANTS IN THE COLLOQUIUM
ON «HOLINESS IN CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM»

Thursday, 9 May 1985

Dear Friends,

It is a special joy for me to be able to welcome you, our guests who follow the faith of Islam, to Rome for the colloquium on "Holiness in Christianity and Islam". My fraternal greetings go as well to those Christians who have been taking part in the colloquium. As I have often said in other meetings with Muslims, your God and ours is one and the same, and we are brothers and sisters in the faith of Abraham.

Is the god of Islam and Roman Catholicism one and the same god?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

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Is the god of Islam and Roman Catholicism one and the same god?

If you are talking about the GOD of Abraham, yes they are.

The main points of contention between them and Christianity as a whole is the Divinity of Christ, His Crucixion, a different version of the Mary, and of course their view of our beloved Apostle Paul as a Deceiver and False.

http://foru.ms/t5615012-jesus-christ-was-he-sent-for-all-mankind.html
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Hello.We muslims believe he was sent to the sons of Israel not for all mankind.This doesnt mean the one who follows Him in real does a wrong job but this is God's plan for He sent Muhammed-aleyhissalam-to all mankind.
Which proofs do christians have to claim that Jesus was sent to entire humanity and not only to the israelites?

 

[WarriorAngel]

Your use of small letter 'g' in God shows you are saying the CC believes in an Islamic God?

Or are you saying the the Islamics believe in the Christian God.The Pope was referring to there being only ONE God. Period.

So what are you saying?

 

[TraderJack]

If you are talking about the GOD of Abraham, yes they are.

Does the God of Abraham mean the Son of God is omitted?

Is the God of Abraham non-Triune?


What do the following passages have to say to this issue:

John 5:22-24

22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, 23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.'

John 4:23
But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.

John 16:3
And these things they will do to you because they have not known the Father nor Me.

1 John 2:23
Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

Is the Son included in the God of Abraham?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Does the God of Abraham mean the Son of God is omitted?

Is the God of Abraham non-Triune?


What do the following passages have to say to this issue:

Is the Son included in the God of Abraham?

All I did was explain to you the differences in the way Islam views JESUS and Christianity. Don't make me come after ya with a rolling pin!!! LOL....... Peace

http://foru.ms/t3006763-why-jews-cannot-accept-isa-pbuh-as-a-prophet.html

Having read some of the strongest criticism of the prophecies of Jesus in the OT (from Jews in this CF), I would like to know why Jews cannot accept Isa (pbuh) since the Quran says:

1. Isa (pbuh) never claimed to be God, or Son of God, but asked the Jews to pray to the One God that Jews are praying now

2. Isa (pbuh) asks the Jews to follow the Torah and the Injil, hence a continuation of the revelations from God

3. Isa (pbuh) was not crucified and hence was not accursed

 

[Albion]

No. Can't agree with the pope on this one. The Muslim god is a god who doesn't exist, not any more than the Mormon god. Merely because both make appeals to what we all hold in common--the Old Testament--while redefining that God into something that is foreign to the Bible is NOT to hold to the same God. But B16 is a smart cookie and may have been trying to say something diplomatically to these types that he doesn't exactly believe himself in that way. If so, I still have to disagree with the statement as it stands.

 

[MoNiCa4316]

So do you think that the Jews believe in another God, since they also deny the Trinity? (but wouldn't that mean that the OT is false?)

The way I see it, Christians, Jews, and Muslims all believe in the same God, BUT...Christians have a fuller knowledge of Him as the Trinity, and are able to know the Father through the Son, by the Holy Spirit...as the Bible says, we can only come to the Father through the Son... and only Christians believe the gospel, which is the way to salvation

 

[TraderJack]

Your use of small letter 'g' in God shows you are saying the CC believes in an Islamic God?

JPII said it. Do you agree or not?

Or are you saying the the Islamics believe in the Christian God.

That is what JPII said. Do you agree or not?

The Pope was referring to there being only ONE God. Period.

How is the god of Islam "one and the same" as in Roman Catholicism?

So what are you saying?

JPII said it, I am asking a question.

 

[Albion]

So do you think that the Jews also believe in another God, since they deny the Trinity?

The way I see it, Christians, Jews, and Muslims all believe in the same God, BUT...Christians have a fuller knowledge of Him as the Trinity, and are able to know the Father through the Son, by the Holy Spirit...as the Bible says, we can only come to the Father through the Son... and only Christians believe the gospel, the way to salvation

The Jewish concept is shared by some Christians, too, you know. But there is little comparison between the Hebrew concept of God and the Muslim one. Allah, after all, is defined more by the Koran than by the Hebrew Bible, and in it we have a different kind of being from the God of the Bible.

 

[TraderJack]

So do you think that the Jews believe in another God, since they also deny the Trinity?

What do you think this means:

1 John 2:23
Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

(but wouldn't that mean that the OT is false?)

Why would you say that?

The way I see it, Christians, Jews, and Muslims all believe in the same God

See the above passages cited please, and think about how they relate directly to this issue.

 

[Rick Otto]

It's crazy talk.

What I'm wondering is if Mohammed's wife was realy an older Roman Catholic woman, and if uniting the Arab tribes with monotheism to take the Holy Land back from the Turks was a Vatican idea that went South when Mohammed decided to keep it for himself.

 

[MoNiCa4316]

1 John 2:23
Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also."

But don't the Jews also deny the Son?

btw, I'm not saying that Islam is true or leads to salvation!!! (and neither is the Pope saying this) I just said that they also believe in one God, even though of course they have lots of wrong beliefs about Him and incomplete information, and the Koran. Still, Islam is closer to Christianity than say..Hinduism, or Buddhism. They still believe in God, even though they need to know Christ to really know Him.

 

[MoNiCa4316]

ADDRESS OF POPE JOHN PAUL II
TO THE PARTICIPANTS IN THE COLLOQUIUM
ON «HOLINESS IN CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM»

Thursday, 9 May 1985

Dear Friends,

It is a special joy for me to be able to welcome you, our guests who follow the faith of Islam, to Rome for the colloquium on "Holiness in Christianity and Islam". My fraternal greetings go as well to those Christians who have been taking part in the colloquium. As I have often said in other meetings with Muslims, your God and ours is one and the same, and we are brothers and sisters in the faith of Abraham.

see he's talking about Abraham here. and well that can apply to Islam too.

also keep in mind that Pope JPII wanted to promote peace. This does NOT mean that he believed that Islam also leads to salvation or that Christianity is not the fullness of truth, or that he had any pluralistic relativistic approach to faith.

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Is the god of Islam and Roman Catholicism one and the same god?

So are you trying to say that Catholics aren't really following God???? Well in that case, I got news for you brother, we also believe in the Trinity and in Christ and the gospel, and the Resurrection. That is Christianity.

 

[Rick Otto]

quote=MoNiCa4316;see he's talking about Abraham here. and well that can apply to Islam too.

No he ain't, sister. He's talking about Abraham's faith. And Islam is definitely not Jewish or Christian.

So are you trying to say that Catholics aren't really following God???? Well in that case, I got news for you brother, we also believe in the Trinity and in Christ and the gospel, and the Resurrection. That is Christianity.

Yeah, but ya also believe works merit salvation, and that ain't Christianity.

 

[HighwayMan]

In a way, yeah.

But then again I believe that all major religions strive to understand the divine power - some give it many names (many Gods), others only one.

 

[Albion]

see he's talking about Abraham here. and well that can apply to Islam too.

But that wasn't the part we were asked about. It was the part about their god being our god.

also keep in mind that Pope JPII wanted to promote peace. This does NOT mean that he believed that Islam also leads to salvation or that Christianity is not the fullness of truth, or that he had any pluralistic relativistic approach to faith.

Again, he might have had many reasons for saying what he did. All we can do--and were asked about--is whether the highlighted statement is correct.

So are you trying to say that Catholics aren't really following God???? Well in that case, I got news for you brother, we also believe in the Trinity and in Christ and the gospel, and the Resurrection. That is Christianity.

I think he was saying that Catholics aren't following the MUSLIM god. But if you are looking for some way to feel that the Catholic Church has been maligned, go ahead. We're used to it by now.

 

[MoNiCa4316]

Yeah, but ya also believe works merit salvation, and that ain't Christianity.

No, we don't believe that.

We believe in salvation by grace, through a living faith.

 

[TraderJack]

The Jewish concept is shared by some Christians, too, you know. But there is little comparison between the Hebrew concept of God and the Muslim one. Allah, after all, is defined more by the Koran than by the Hebrew Bible, and in it we have a different kind of being from the God of the Bible.

Exactly, both non-Christian Jews and Muslims hold to a radical monotheism rather than the One True God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who is One God, Revealed in Three Eternally Distinct Persons as the pre-Babylonian captivity Jews did, as well as the Messianic Jews who still held to OT teaching rather than the Pharisaic and Sadusaic perversions.

 

[jckstraw72]

gonna have to say the Pope is wrong on this one

 

[TraderJack]

This does NOT mean that he believed that Islam also leads to salvation or that Christianity is not the fullness of truth, or that he had any pluralistic relativistic approach to faith.

JPII was not saying anything different from what Lumen Gentium said, as a matter of fact, he was in total agreement, confirming it:

CHAPTER II THE PEOPLE OF GOD

16. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways.[18] There is, first, that people to which the covenants and promises were made, and from which Christ was born according to the flesh (cf. Rom. 9 :4-5): in view of the divine choice, they are a people most dear for the sake of the fathers, for* the gifts of God are without repentance (cf. Rom. 11:29-29). But the* plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in* the first place amongst whom are the Moslems: these profess to hold* the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one,* merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day. Nor is God remote from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, since he gives to all men life and breath and all things (cf. Acts 17:2528), and since the Savior wills all men to be saved (cf. 1 Tim. 2:4).

http://abbey.apana.org.au/Councils/vatican2/V2church.Htm

Notice it says Roman Catholicism and Islam "adore", meaning "worship" the same god. All that sounds very relativistic, and has been the cause of several schisms within Roman Catholicism.

So are you trying to say that Catholics aren't really following God????

Please pay attention. I am not saying anything. I've presented what your popes and magesterium have said and asked a question if you agree that you worship the "one and the same" god as Islam does as Rome says of Roman Catholicism.