How many 2024 predictions have already failed? How many HAVE to fail before people realise?

[JulieB67]

who sees Revelation as John's letter of comfort to fellow Christians

While I certainly don't believe this, I don't believe in date setting either. We are on God's time. But I do believe in being a watchman and watching the signs Christ laid out. Biggest one being "if they say Christ is here or there, believe it not"

He could return in 5 seconds

Not according to Christ or Paul. No one has ever sat on the throne (to the sides of the north) actually proclaiming to be God. We've had many kings, etc. -but none proclaiming/pretending to be God. Christ will not return until that happens. That will happen to one generation. (Paul states that's what the gospel armor is for -to stand in "the evil day", not every day as many seem to think) But which one is anyone's guess. But as Christ and Paul always state, do not be deceived and stay on watch. Being a watchman doesn't set anyone in panic mode as you often seem to claim. But it's a natural process of knowing the signs that Christ laid out.

No offense but ironically I see this pic you posted more about yourself and global warming. Talk about panic mode. But that's another topic altogether....

 

[tailgator]

While I certainly don't believe this, I don't believe in date setting either. We are on God's time. But I do believe in being a watchman and watching the signs Christ laid out. Biggest one being "if they say Christ is here or there, believe it not"

Not according to Christ or Paul. No one has ever sat on the throne (to the sides of the north) actually proclaiming to be God. We've had many kings, etc. -but none proclaiming/pretending to be God. Christ will not return until that happens. That will happen to one generation. (Paul states that's what the gospel armor is for -to stand in "the evil day", not every day as many seem to think) But which one is anyone's guess. But as Christ and Paul always state, do not be deceived and stay on watch. Being a watchman doesn't set anyone in panic mode as you often seem to claim. But it's a natural process of knowing the signs that Christ laid out.

No offense but ironically I see this pic you posted more about yourself and global warming. Talk about panic mode. But that's another topic altogether....


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Speaking of the man who shows himself as being God,There is a man going around making sure everyone knows He is the only one who can save Israel and keep Israel safe.He says he will work to make sure Israel is with us for thousands of years.

About 2000 years ago a man came who they say came to save Israel and gave his life .
Now there is someone else saying he is the only one who can keep Israel safe.He says if he is not elected,Israel will be destroyed.


In 2 thes 2,Paul uses the word
apodeiknumi.It doesnt mean the man will proclaim to be God.It means that he will demonstrate that he is God.






Word: apodeiknumi

Pronounce: ap-od-ike'-noo-mee

Strongs Number: G584

Orig: from 575 and 1166; to show off, i.e. exhibit; figuratively, to demonstrate, i.e. accredit:--(ap-)prove, set forth, shew. G575

Use: Verb

Heb Strong: H7200 H7981

1. 1) to point away from one's self, to point out, show forth, to expose to view, exhibit2) to declare, to show, to prove what kind of person anyone is, to prove by arguments, demonstrate

 

[tailgator]

While I certainly don't believe this, I don't believe in date setting either. We are on God's time. But I do believe in being a watchman and watching the signs Christ laid out. Biggest one being "if they say Christ is here or there, believe it not"

Not according to Christ or Paul. No one has ever sat on the throne (to the sides of the north) actually proclaiming to be God. We've had many kings, etc. -but none proclaiming/pretending to be God. Christ will not return until that happens. That will happen to one generation. (Paul states that's what the gospel armor is for -to stand in "the evil day", not every day as many seem to think) But which one is anyone's guess. But as Christ and Paul always state, do not be deceived and stay on watch. Being a watchman doesn't set anyone in panic mode as you often seem to claim. But it's a natural process of knowing the signs that Christ laid out.

No offense but ironically I see this pic you posted more about yourself and global warming. Talk about panic mode. But that's another topic altogether....


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PS
Have you ever read Daniel 11?
It's a very revealing chapter about end times and the man of sin.I recommend the entire chapter to every end times watchman.Not just the end of the chapter ,but he entire chapter without another's personal interpretation or commentary.Focus just on the word itself without other people's interpretation of that chapter.






Daniel 11:36
The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place.

2 Thes 2
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

 

[Oseas]

Will Malachi 4:1 & 3, be just a case of sunburn? That a liberal application of sunscreen will fix?

Right, perfect. Sunburn is a mere interpretation of the biblical leter, and this false and materialist vision is a stumbling block before us and is mortal, it 's a sound that sounds from the tree of good and evil, the MAN of sin.

Malachi prophesied that only all the proud and all that do wickedly shall be stubble.When? In the Lord's Day, the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium that would come, this Day arrived and in this Day shall they be burn them up, said the Lord of hosts, and it shall leave them neither root nor branch. And they shall be ashes under the soles of the feet of GOD's people(Revelation 11:18) in this Lord's Day that GOD shall do this, as said Isaiah, His strange work, instead salvation total destruction:Isaiah prophesied-28:21-24->.
21 For the Lord shall rise up as in mount Perazim, He shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that He may do His work, His strange work; and bring to pass His act, His strange act. (GET READY)
22 Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord GOD of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth.
23 Give ye ear, and hear my voice; hearken, and hear my speech.
24 Doth the plowman plow all day to sow? doth he open and break the clods of his ground?

Malachi 3:18->18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth GOD and him that serveth Him not.

Malachi 4:5-6:
5 I will come near to you to Judgment(this will happen from now on, in this current Day, the seventh Day, the Lord's Day, LITERALLY according the epistle to the Romans 2:7-16, take a look); and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers(James 4:4, take a look), and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the Lord of hosts. -->The Word is GOD, GOD Himself, the only self-executable in whole Universe, it's the Power, yeah, the invisible GOD-John 1:18).
6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob(the Jewish people) are not consumed.

Isaiah prophesied: 33:14
14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites.Who among us shall dwell with the DEVOURING fire?-->
GOD is a devouring fire<-->who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings? The answer is in the verse 15.

Psalms 11:5-7
5 The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence His soul hateth.
6 Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and BRIMSTONE, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup.
(SPIRITUALLY WHAT IS BRIMSTONE?-> It is the breath of GOD-Isaiah 30:33,take a look)
7 For the righteous Lord loveth righteousness; His countenance doth behold the upright.

JESUS said: Matthew 10:28->28 Fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. (hell's fire)

2 Peter 3:7 tells us we must be tested by fire and over 70- other Prophesies detail that sudden and devastating event. Which will NOT be the glorious Return, as there is no fire said to happen then.

Yes, it is the righteous Judgment of GOD(Psalms 89:14, take a look) who among us shall dwell with the DEVOURING fire?-->GOD is a devouring fire<->who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
2Peter:3:7 & 11-13
7 - The heavens(heavens? Ephesians 1:3-8, linked to the OT and NT) and the earth(the current carnal Israel that will be ruled by the dragon-Revelation 13:11-18), which are now, by the same Word are kept in store, reserved unto FIRE against this Day of Judgment (the Lord's Day, the seventh and last Day) and perdition of ungodly men.

Get ready

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be DISSOLVED, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of GOD, wherein the heavens(two Dispensations-OT and NT) being on fire shall be DISSOLVED(Hebrews 8:13), and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens(the 3rd heaven will be established in this last Day,the seventh) and a new earth(new Israel ruled by JESUS), wherein dwelleth righteousness.

GOD BLESS,

Get ready

 

[keras]

Do you keep the count of how many of your personal predictions you both made publicly and kept for yourself, failed? Not for 2024, but since you have been making them.

The predictions and explanations of Prophecy, I have made have yet to take place.
Calling me out in error, before the window of Prophetic fulfilment is past, is foolishness.

there's no point discussing OT prophecies with you because you defy common sense, reason, and basic hermeneutics

I defy and reject your preterist and AMill false beliefs.

saying we're going to be 'tested' by fire from 2 Peter 3 is like saying we're going to be 'tested' by the end of the world. Which WILL be the glorious return, as there is HEAPS of fire said to happen then!

It is a gross error to conglomerate and mix together the end time events.
The Fire that 2 Peter 3:7, refers to is the Lords Day of wrath and punishment - the next Prophesied event, when He will not be seen.
Some years later; at the glorious Return; there is no fire mentioned, Revelation 19:11-21 The dead are not burned up.
Ony after the Millennium reign of King Jesus, will fire come down from heaven to destroy this present world. Rev 20:9b
Then comes the new heavens and earth and Eternity; Revelation 21:1-7

Sure there will be plenty of of fire when the Lord comes.Jesus spoke of the fire at his coming.

Another who fails to carefully read the Bible and makes contradictory statements.
The Lord will not be seen when He sends His fiery wrath; Psalms 11:4-6, Habakkuk 3:3-6, Psalms 18:7-15

 

[eclipsenow]

Thank you for admitting you don't believe the word of God.That explains why you know nothing.

Oh dear. This again.

There are futurists that have such a hard time having their interpretation of Scripture rejected, that they lash out. They accuse. They get emotional. They get spiritually superior. They 'bible bash'. Rather than prove their conclusions, they just accuse others of rejecting the bible - and sometimes appear constitutionally unable to accept that there might be whole bodies of serious, calm, peer-reviewed Reformed Theology that actually sees something rich and beautiful and rewarding in the bible where they read dry - rather arbitrary 'end times tables' that would have meant nothing to the original audience.

Anyone who has received the holy Ghost knows the temple of God is not a cold stone building made by sinners like Herod .
You should repent and ask for the gift of the holy Ghost to you can learn what the temple of God really is.

Except what question was Jesus actually answering then? Hmmm?

 

[eclipsenow]

I defy and reject your preterist and AMill false beliefs.

What excuses have you already prepared for after 2026 when there's no temple, let alone an AOD?

 

[tailgator]

The predictions and explanations of Prophecy, I have made have yet to take place.
Calling me out in error, before the window of Prophetic fulfilment is past, is foolishness.

I defy and reject your preterist and AMill false beliefs.

It is a gross error to conglomerate and mix together the end time events.
The Fire that 2 Peter 3:7, refers to is the Lords Day of wrath and punishment - the next Prophesied event, when He will not be seen.
Some years later; at the glorious Return; there is no fire mentioned, Revelation 19:11-21 The dead are not burned up.
Ony after the Millennium reign of King Jesus, will fire come down from heaven to destroy this present world. Rev 20:9b
Then comes the new heavens and earth and Eternity; Revelation 21:1-7

Another who fails to carefully read the Bible and makes contradictory statements.
The Lord will not be seen when He sends His fiery wrath; Psalms 11:4-6, Habakkuk 3:3-6, Psalms 18:7-15

Sure he will.
Mathew 24:29-31

 

[tailgator]

Oh dear. This again.

There are futurists that have such a hard time having their interpretation of Scripture rejected, that they lash out. They accuse. They get emotional. They get spiritually superior. They 'bible bash'. Rather than prove their conclusions, they just accuse others of rejecting the bible - and sometimes appear constitutionally unable to accept that there might be whole bodies of serious, calm, peer-reviewed Reformed Theology that actually sees something rich and beautiful and rewarding in the bible where they read dry - rather arbitrary 'end times tables' that would have meant nothing to the original audience.



Except what question was Jesus actually answering then? Hmmm?

You said you do not believe .
Why continue in your folly?


Get thee behind me

 

[keras]

Sure he will.
Mathew 24:29-31

There is no fiery wrath, at the glorious Return of Jesus.
The great and terrible Day of the Lords wrath is years before He Returns, all the things between Rev 6:12 to Rev 19:10, must happen first.

 

[keras]

What excuses have you already prepared for after 2026 when there's no temple, let alone an AOD?

To deny a new Temple and that an Anti-Christ will desecrate it, is to directly reject scripture. 2 Thess 2:4
Happy doing that?

 

[tailgator]

There is no fiery wrath, at the glorious Return of Jesus.
The great and terrible Day of the Lords wrath is years before He Returns, all the things between Rev 6:12 to Rev 19:10, must happen first.

The stars falling from heaven in revelation 6 are the same stars falling from heaven in Mathew 24.


Revelation 6
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Mathew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[eclipsenow]

Get thee behind me

Ha ha ha! Really?

 

[keras]

The stars falling from heaven in revelation 6 are the same stars falling from heaven in Mathew 24.

No they are not.
Different time, different reason and anyway, we have meteor showers quite frequently. Proved by how the moon shines blood red at the Sixth Seal, but does not give any light when Jesus Returns.

 

[eclipsenow]

No they are not.
Different time, different reason and anyway, we have meteor showers quite frequently. Proved by how the moon shines blood red at the Sixth Seal, but does not give any light when Jesus Returns.

Of course - because all those Old Testament verses about the Assyrians and Babylonians riding in with torches against Israel are now astronomical events. Events you are starting to fill in with more and more details - while you persistently and consistently ignore any verses that completely contradict your timetable. Your dismissal of 2 Peter 3 needs a lot more work!

 

[Douggg]

In 2 thes 2,Paul uses the word
apodeiknumi.It doesnt mean the man will proclaim to be God.It means that he will demonstrate that he is God.

He will do that by....not by being elected.... but by....

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

.... he is going to go into the temple, the holy of holies chamber and sit, where the ark of the covenant would normally be, as if sitting on the throne of God.

 

[eclipsenow]

He will do that by....not by being elected.... but by....

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

.... he is going to go into the temple, the holy of holies chamber and sit, where the ark of the covenant would normally be, as if sitting on the throne of God.

From a Phd scholar mate of mine:

John writes that “many antichrists have come”, reminding us that there has been great opposition to Christ ever since he was born (remember how Herod killed all the babies in Bethlehem trying to get to Jesus?). Throughout the whole Bible, we find characters who are ‘anti’ God’s plans—wicked men, foreign kings, false prophets and ‘the beast’ who features in Revelation 13. Even in Deuteronomy, there are warnings about the rise of prophets who lie and preach rebellion against the true God.​

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But is there going to be one mega-evil ruler who will deceive the world and lead millions astray and do things like brand ‘666’ on their foreheads?​

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Probably not. There are passages in the Bible which talk about a particular being who is Christ’s foe (e.g., “the man of lawlessness” in 2 Thessalonians 2 or the dragon of Revelation 12-13 who is identified as the Devil). But this kind of symbolic language is used to describe an attitude or spirit of evil rather than a single evil person. The fact that some parts of Scripture bring ultimate evil to a head by using an individual character to identify it probably says more about how dramatic literature operates than it does about predicting history.​

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The worst thing about antichrists is that they have come from within the church! The apostle John wrote that they “went out from us, but they did not really belong to us”. This is what antichrists do. They get among believers and try to deceive them, persuading them to believe lies and getting people to follow them and their deceptions rather than Jesus and his truth. They teach that Christ did not come in the flesh (1 Jn 4:1-3); they say it doesn’t matter whether you sin or not (1 Jn 1:5-10); and they neglect their Christian brothers and sisters (1 Jn 4:19-21).​

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According to God’s word, the antichrist might have sat next to you in the church pew. This isn’t a scene from a horror movie; quite the opposite-it is an everyday event. In this final age before Jesus returns, plenty of opponents of Jesus will arise. And they may even be in church, trying to deceive us and lead us into error. But Christians can be confident and at peace, because there will be a day when all ‘antichristness’ will be done away with.​

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It’s a bit of a waste of time trying to work out whether the antichrist is Boris Yeltsin, the Dalai Lama, Bill Gates or the Pope. It’s just as likely to be your granny or your next door neighbour, if they are promoting lies about our Lord.​

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Just make sure it isn’t you …​

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See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised us—even eternal life. (1 John 2:24-25)​

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Eclipse back commenting again: So we know that antichrists get in and tell lies and neglect their gospel duties. Here's the trick! I imagine a great priority of "an antichrist" is to get us to stop worrying about how to share that 'boring old gospel' (whispered into our ears) and get us to instead fire up all our energy to PLAY SPOT THE ANTI-CHRIST! For an anti-Christ hates us thinking about the REAL Christ - but would love us to waste our days arguing amongst each other about our various, endlessly speculative end-times-tables.

 

[Douggg]

Probably not. There are passages in the Bible which talk about a particular being who is Christ’s foe (e.g., “the man of lawlessness” in 2 Thessalonians 2 or the dragon of Revelation 12-13 who is identified as the Devil). But this kind of symbolic language is used to describe an attitude or spirit of evil rather than a single evil person.

I think your Phd scholar friend needs to review Revelation 19:20 again. The beast (king) and the false prophet will be cast alive into the lake of fire.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

[eclipsenow]

I think your Phd scholar friend needs to review Revelation 19:20 again. The beast (king) and the false prophet will be cast alive into the lake of fire.

Have you ever read any of the non-biblical Jewish apocalyptic writing? It clearly dresses up the politics of the day in theological language. Understanding how a genre was received by its historical audience is the foundation of good hermeneutics.

The beast was Rome - but also represents to us any time any government turns against God.
And as 1 John says - there are many anti-Christs.

The promise of Revelation is that the gospel remains true - even if God's people are being persecuted. Indeed - it sometimes seems to be the way the gospel grows throughout the world. Each chapter is written in such vivid sequences of images that it hangs in the memory more than other forms of writing. Which is the point. It's still a sermon to John's generation of suffering Christians about their suffering, promising future rewards. And by understanding what it meant to them - we can benefit - and be comforted and encouraged.

But if we just rip it all out of context and pretend John was writing about 2000 years later - well the consequences on both the text, and the implications for John's own generation, are just plain awful!

 

[Douggg]

The beast was Rome - but also represents to us any time any government turns against God.
And as 1 John says - there are many anti-Christs.

The beast is a human.

Revelaton 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.