How many 2024 predictions have already failed? How many HAVE to fail before people realise?

[JulieB67]

PS
Have you ever read Daniel 11?

Yes, I believe some of Daniel certaintly mirrors other relevations about the man of sin.

 

[Ed Parenteau]

Hi all,
So how many 2024 predictions have already failed this year?

I'm also aware that another very big contributor to this forum only has a few years for a temple to appear in Israel for his timetable to pan out (AOD in 2026 apparently - but hello? Where's the temple?)

As an Amil who sees Revelation as John's letter of comfort to fellow Christians suffering in his generation - I'm always amazed at the proliferation of futurist timetables and endless, heartfelt, heated debates about which futurist timetable is right.

And any time people put dates or even sequences of events on them - they fail.

This comes from the Methodist scholar Adam Clarke of the early 1800's and is quite telling as a comparison to modern thinking. It is an interesting and amusing at times read. Amusing to me because it shows that every generation since "this generation" believes they are it.

Preface to the Revelation of St. John the Divine. Revelation 1 Clarke's Commentary And, in part, the following.

Among the interpreters of the Apocalypse, both in ancient and modern times, we find a vast diversity of opinions, but they may be all reduced to four principal hypotheses, or modes of interpretation: -

1. The Apocalypse contains a prophetical description of the destruction of Jerusalem, of the Jewish war, and the civil wars of the Romans.

2. It contains predictions of the persecutions of the Christians under the heathen emperors of Rome, and of the happy days of the Church under the Christian emperors, from Constantine downwards.

3. It contains prophecies concerning the tyrannical and oppressive conduct of the Roman pontiffs, the true antichrist; and foretells the final destruction of popery.

4. It is a prophetic declaration of the schism and heresies of Martin Luther, those called Reformers, and their successors; and the final destruction of the Protestant religion.

The first opinion has been defended by Professor Wetstein, and other learned men on the continent.

The second is the opinion of the primitive fathers in general, both Greek and Latin.

The third was first broached by the Abb Joachim, who flourished in the thirteenth century, was espoused by most of the Franciscans; and has been and still is the general opinion of the Protestants.

The fourth seems to have been invented by popish writers, merely by way of retaliation; and has been illustrated and defended at large by a Mr. Walmsley, (I believe), titular dean of Wells, in a work called the History of the Church, under the feigned name of Signior Pastorini.

 

[Oseas]

Hi all,
So how many 2024 predictions have already failed this year?

I'm also aware that another very big contributor to this forum only has a few years for a temple to appear in Israel for his timetable to pan out (AOD in 2026 apparently - but hello? Where's the temple?)

As an Amil who sees Revelation as John's letter of comfort to fellow Christians suffering in his generation - I'm always amazed at the proliferation of futurist timetables and endless, heartfelt, heated debates about which futurist timetable is right.

And any time people put dates or even sequences of events on them - they fail.

By the way, where is the fulfillment of the prophecies posted about the red heifer's sacrifice, and the construction of the Temple, the den of thiefs, and the WWIII, and the invasion of Israel by Russia, among many others, according topics below?

5 perfectly Red Heifers sent to Israel from Texas.

These sites indicate a 3rd Temple is being planned. The temple may be being planned by the Jews, but it will never be built. JESUS said: Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up-John 2:v.19. Now, now, the third DAY has arrived, we're living right at the beginning of the third day...

www.christianforums.com

Daniel 9:26-27: What's it telling us? -->posts #302; 303; 317; 325; 331, aso.

We're Seeing The BEGINNING Of ARMAGEDDON, -- Must Watch VIdeo with Breaking News & Analysis -- ~~> posts #177; 176;167
Discusions about:
BREAKING NEWS!!! BIDEN'S HANDLERS ARE PROVOKING PUTIN INTO STARTING WWIII BY SENDING 3 DESTROYERS INTO THE BLACK SEA IN SUPPORT OF UKRAINE
Submitted by ... on Wednesday, June 16, 2021
"military confrontation w/ either Russia or China"

My Lord JESUS warned us: :Matthew 12:36 Every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the Day of Judgment.

1Corinthians 6:2-3
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall Judge the WORLD? and if the WORLD shall be Judged by you, are ye unworthy to Judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall Judge angels? (fallen angels of the Churches) how much more things that pertain to this life?

 

[eclipsenow]

The beast is a human.

Revelaton 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Revelation 13 has a few OT images merged. Theologians I respect note the following:-
OUT OF SEA = this thing comes out of chaos, the symbolic ‘un-creation’ of the sea lacking order in Genesis 1 before God divides things up and creates order.
SEA = the direction Rome approached Asia Minor on boats. In Revelation 1 we see that John is warning HIS generation that Roman persecution is coming ‘soon’ and the ‘time is near’. Here we see a possible image of “the proconsul in Ephesus, with attendant pomp and ceremony.’ John is under house arrest - and so uses this apocalyptic symbolism (common between 200 BC to 200 AD) to encode what he is REALLY talking about - or risk being executed for treason!

HORNS = pretensions to divinity. Being crowned shows obsession with power rather than the wise and kind rule of the shepherd king, the slain lamb that had 7 horns NOT crowned.

FATAL WOUND = Nero attempted suicide but survived. John is comparing this to him being a false Messiah - demanding worship - but contrasting this with Jesus who ACTUALLY died for us and ACTUALLY rose again. It’s a reminder as to who the true king is.

MARK OF BEAST = some say a token paid on entering an arena to watch Christians be killed. This could then be a metaphor for ‘staining the hand’ of those denying Christ and watching their former Christian friends being executed. The forehead comes in because it is such a betrayal of God - it’s like doing the OT ‘Shema’ prayer of devotion to the Proconsul instead of God.

666 = Nero’s name spells out 666. But it is also a double-metaphor. 6 is man’s number. We were created on the 6th day and work 6 days. Repeated 3 times it’s an unholy trinity.

MESSAGE FOR ALL CHRISTIANS ACROSS THE 2000 YEARS (AND COUNTING) OF THE LAST DAYS?

When governments go bad under Satan’s influence, Christians are NOT to pay whatever the ‘white stone’ is to the emperor of the day. We are to wait for the ‘stone’ God will give us in paradise. (Chapter 14). With great patience and endurance, we are to survive the tribulation - the same tribulation John shared in 2000 years ago! Just as we read Thessalonians or Ephesians or Romans or any epistles to Christians 2000 years ago - we are to understand FIRST what was being said to them, to understand what the principles are and how to apply them in this day and age.

Revelation is simply NOT a timetable of the future - as futurists keep making predictions that simply do not come true. It's John comforting his generation with the gospel promises that one day, Babylon will be judged. Stay faithful.

For more try these podcasts:

The Apocalypse

Ep 97: There aren’t many parts of the Bible that excite the imagination more than its thrilling climax in the book of Revelation. Amidst the imagery, violence and controversy, how do we sort truth from fiction?

undeceptions.com

World's End

Undeceptions Episode 34: Christianity has plenty to say the world's end. However, our cultural narrative has become increasingly apocalyptic.

undeceptions.com

Or this FANTASTIC BOOK! (I know the author - a godly retired Bishop with Phd’s in history and theology.) https://www.amazon.com.au/Revelation-Apocalypse-Reading-Bible-Today-ebook/dp/B076J5BPBV

 

[eclipsenow]

This comes from the Methodist scholar Adam Clarke of the early 1800's and is quite telling as a comparison to modern thinking. It is an interesting and amusing at times read. Amusing to me because it shows that every generation since "this generation" believes they are it.

Preface to the Revelation of St. John the Divine. Revelation 1 Clarke's Commentary And, in part, the following.

Among the interpreters of the Apocalypse, both in ancient and modern times, we find a vast diversity of opinions, but they may be all reduced to four principal hypotheses, or modes of interpretation: -

1. The Apocalypse contains a prophetical description of the destruction of Jerusalem, of the Jewish war, and the civil wars of the Romans.

2. It contains predictions of the persecutions of the Christians under the heathen emperors of Rome, and of the happy days of the Church under the Christian emperors, from Constantine downwards.

3. It contains prophecies concerning the tyrannical and oppressive conduct of the Roman pontiffs, the true antichrist; and foretells the final destruction of popery.

4. It is a prophetic declaration of the schism and heresies of Martin Luther, those called Reformers, and their successors; and the final destruction of the Protestant religion.

The first opinion has been defended by Professor Wetstein, and other learned men on the continent.

The second is the opinion of the primitive fathers in general, both Greek and Latin.

The third was first broached by the Abb Joachim, who flourished in the thirteenth century, was espoused by most of the Franciscans; and has been and still is the general opinion of the Protestants.

The fourth seems to have been invented by popish writers, merely by way of retaliation; and has been illustrated and defended at large by a Mr. Walmsley, (I believe), titular dean of Wells, in a work called the History of the Church, under the feigned name of Signior Pastorini.

Ha ha - that's great - thanks for sharing!

 

[tailgator]

No they are not.
Different time, different reason and anyway, we have meteor showers quite frequently. Proved by how the moon shines blood red at the Sixth Seal, but does not give any light when Jesus Returns.

Those stars falling from heaven are not meteor showers.They fall during the war of armegeddon .

Luke 21

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory




.Jesus isnt coming on a pretty day .He is coming during great tribulation.He is coming during the days of vengeance as he said.

 

[tailgator]

He will do that by....not by being elected.... but by....

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

.... he is going to go into the temple, the holy of holies chamber and sit, where the ark of the covenant would normally be, as if sitting on the throne of God.

The holy of holies is where Jesus sits now.
No one else sits where Jesus sits.

 

[keras]

.Jesus isnt coming on a pretty day .He is coming during great tribulation.He is coming during the days of vengeance as he said.

Matthew 24:29a As soon as that time of distress has passed......
Rather obvious that the Glorious Return is not during the GT at all.

It is quite impossible for the 'stars; that fall onto the earth on 2 occasions: The Day of vengeance and wrath and then years later; at the Return, to be actual stars.
The wrath of God will be over after Armageddon. Revelation 15:1-2

 

[tailgator]

Matthew 24:29a As soon as that time of distress has passed......
Rather obvious that the Glorious Return is not during the GT at all.

It is quite impossible for the 'stars; that fall onto the earth on 2 occasions: The Day of vengeance and wrath and then years later; at the Return, to be actual stars.
The wrath of God will be over after Armageddon. Revelation 15:1-2

The tribulation Jesus is speaking about is the persecution of the saints he was speaking of earlier in the text

Luke 21
12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.

14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:

15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.




During great tribulation when kingdom comes against kingdom(the war of armegeddon,)takes place after the distress.This is when the stars of heaven fall to the earth.And no,these are not met the prs falling after kingdom rises against kingdom.
Jesus comes during the war of armegeddon after the persecution of the saints has ended.


Revelation 16
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.





No Jesus is not coming on a pleasant day after after armegeddon has finished..He is coming in the midst of it.

 

[eclipsenow]

.Jesus isnt coming on a pretty day .He is coming during great tribulation.He is coming during the days of vengeance as he said.

Except Matthew 24 is an especially challenging passage because it jumps between the destruction of the temple and That Day. "These things" (the temple they were staring at) and the end of this world on That Day. Remember - Jesus is asked a specific question - when was that temple going to be destroyed?

The Return of Jesus on Judgement Day is a mystery. Indeed, it will be SUCH a shock that I doubt there will be great calamities just before he returns as that would be a bit of a tell, and give away that he was about to Judge the world!

Instead of calamities, we read: Matthew 24: “But about **that day** or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be **at the coming of the Son of Man** . For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be **at the coming of the Son of Man.**

Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. Therefore keep watch, because you do not know

**on what day your Lord will come.** But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. So you also must be ready, because the **Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him”**

= it will probably be a time of peace and prosperity when he returns. Which yet another reason I’m not a futurist regarding Revelation or any other NT ‘prophesy predicting’ chaos before the end. We just don’t know when the Lord is going to return, Revelation is a sermon to suffering Christians that reminds them in symbolic language of the gospel promise that the Lord will return - so stay faithful! That’s it!

Indeed -there will be so much peace that people will be partying. But note - there is an UNDERCURRENT of wondering what is going on in the world, because of natural disasters etc. The world is still fallen and prone to disasters. But in God’s grace, more of us live and get to experience peace than his judgement. So - over to eating and drinking and marrying!

1 Thess 5:3 | "Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. You are all children of the light and children of the day."

= DON'T let your guard down when times are easy.

= But also, DON'T worry about times and dates! You CANNOT know them.

= DO remain Christian, because being 'ready' is NOT about a date, but a relationship. Remain children of the light. Remain in Christ - it's the only way to be ready when he SUDDENLY and unpredictably returns.

 

[tailgator]

Except Matthew 24 is an especially challenging passage because it jumps between the destruction of the temple and That Day. "These things" (the temple they were staring at) and the end of this world on That Day. Remember - Jesus is asked a specific question - when was that temple going to be destroyed?

The Return of Jesus on Judgement Day is a mystery. Indeed, it will be SUCH a shock that I doubt there will be great calamities just before he returns as that would be a bit of a tell, and give away that he was about to Judge the world!

Instead of calamities, we read: Matthew 24: “But about **that day** or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be **at the coming of the Son of Man** . For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be **at the coming of the Son of Man.**

Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. Therefore keep watch, because you do not know

**on what day your Lord will come.** But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. So you also must be ready, because the **Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him”**

= it will probably be a time of peace and prosperity when he returns. Which yet another reason I’m not a futurist regarding Revelation or any other NT ‘prophesy predicting’ chaos before the end. We just don’t know when the Lord is going to return, Revelation is a sermon to suffering Christians that reminds them in symbolic language of the gospel promise that the Lord will return - so stay faithful! That’s it!

Indeed -there will be so much peace that people will be partying. But note - there is an UNDERCURRENT of wondering what is going on in the world, because of natural disasters etc. The world is still fallen and prone to disasters. But in God’s grace, more of us live and get to experience peace than his judgement. So - over to eating and drinking and marrying!

1 Thess 5:3 | "Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. You are all children of the light and children of the day."

= DON'T let your guard down when times are easy.

= But also, DON'T worry about times and dates! You CANNOT know them.

= DO remain Christian, because being 'ready' is NOT about a date, but a relationship. Remain children of the light. Remain in Christ - it's the only way to be ready when he SUDDENLY and unpredictably returns.

You just proven me correct with scripture.

As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be **at the coming of the Son of Man** . For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be **at the coming of the Son of Man.**


Before the flood,the wicked people went about their daily lives ,untill the flood came and took them away. That is how it will be at the coming of the son of man.Before Christ comes they will be going about their daily deeds.Then when Christ comes,they are all destroyed as they were on the flood.


The flood was not a peaceful time.It was a very destructive time when the wrath of God destroyed many.That is how it is with the coming of the son of man.

 

[tailgator]

Except Matthew 24 is an especially challenging passage because it jumps between the destruction of the temple and That Day. "These things" (the temple they were staring at) and the end of this world on That Day. Remember - Jesus is asked a specific question - when was that temple going to be destroyed?

The Return of Jesus on Judgement Day is a mystery. Indeed, it will be SUCH a shock that I doubt there will be great calamities just before he returns as that would be a bit of a tell, and give away that he was about to Judge the world!

Instead of calamities, we read: Matthew 24: “But about **that day** or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be **at the coming of the Son of Man** . For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be **at the coming of the Son of Man.**

Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. Therefore keep watch, because you do not know

**on what day your Lord will come.** But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. So you also must be ready, because the **Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him”**

= it will probably be a time of peace and prosperity when he returns. Which yet another reason I’m not a futurist regarding Revelation or any other NT ‘prophesy predicting’ chaos before the end. We just don’t know when the Lord is going to return, Revelation is a sermon to suffering Christians that reminds them in symbolic language of the gospel promise that the Lord will return - so stay faithful! That’s it!

Indeed -there will be so much peace that people will be partying. But note - there is an UNDERCURRENT of wondering what is going on in the world, because of natural disasters etc. The world is still fallen and prone to disasters. But in God’s grace, more of us live and get to experience peace than his judgement. So - over to eating and drinking and marrying!

1 Thess 5:3 | "Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. You are all children of the light and children of the day."

= DON'T let your guard down when times are easy.

= But also, DON'T worry about times and dates! You CANNOT know them.

= DO remain Christian, because being 'ready' is NOT about a date, but a relationship. Remain children of the light. Remain in Christ - it's the only way to be ready when he SUDDENLY and unpredictably returns.

PS
Don't tell me I can not know about dates.Ive already learned if I watch ,I can learn a date.
The only people who will know the date are the people who are doing what Jesus said to do.The people who dont watch ,will not.




42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up

 

[eclipsenow]

The flood was not a peaceful time.It was a very destructive time when the wrath of God destroyed many.That is how it is with the coming of the son of man.

That was a semantic dodge you pulled just there - and you are contradicting the Lord himself in your attempt to save your end-times-table.
See - there's this period of time leading up to the Return. What's that time like? According to futurists there are terrible calamities like the world has never seen before, a one-world government, anti-Christ, persecution and death of millions of Christians, etc etc etc. I would hardly call these "Peace, peace" and partying and weddings.

But the Lord says peace and partying and weddings is exactly what will be happening - and then BOOM! Judgement. Just like that. The flood was not a "time" - it IS the judgment - it's too late!

In fact - not only is the time peaceful - there's NOTHING INDICATING that Judgement Day is about to hit!

"For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man."

But I know heaps of non-Christians that have at least watched the "Left Behind" movie (and laughed at it), who would probably become Christians ASAP if they saw anything like the events described in most futurist timetables happening BECAUSE it's all a bit of a giveaway.

So - my question to you? Does Jesus mean it when he says it will be like the days of Noah - and that there will be peace - and that no-one will know anything about what is coming?

 

[keras]

Indeed -there will be so much peace that people will be partying

I presume this is the celebration you are referring to: Revelation 11:10
Then the earthquake of Revelation 11:13 happens, which is the same earthquake as in Revelation 16:18 at the Seventh Bowl - Armageddon and the Return of Jesus,

In fact - not only is the time peaceful - there's NOTHING INDICATING that Judgement Day is about to hit!

Your end times scenarios are so confuzed and mixed up!
I just proved your idea of peaceful existence before Armageddon, to be wrong. That will be the Great Trib, the time of the Seven Trumpets and Seven Bowls. Going to be a very nasty and difficult 42 months for the ;beast followers and he will conquer Gods people. Revelation 13:7

the events described in most futurist timetables happening BECAUSE it's all a bit of a giveaway.

You are right: those with a Bible WILL know the date of Jesus' Return, as it will happen exactly 1260 days after the Temple is desecrated. 2 Thess 2:4

It will be the forthcoming terrible Day of the Lords fiery wrath, that will strike the earth suddenly and unexpectedly.
There has to be some kind of worldwide disaster for the rise of the Anti-Christ leader of a one World Govt.

 

[tailgator]

That was a semantic dodge you pulled just there - and you are contradicting the Lord himself in your attempt to save your end-times-table.
See - there's this period of time leading up to the Return. What's that time like? According to futurists there are terrible calamities like the world has never seen before, a one-world government, anti-Christ, persecution and death of millions of Christians, etc etc etc. I would hardly call these "Peace, peace" and partying and weddings.

But the Lord says peace and partying and weddings is exactly what will be happening - and then BOOM! Judgement. Just like that. The flood was not a "time" - it IS the judgment - it's too late!

In fact - not only is the time peaceful - there's NOTHING INDICATING that Judgement Day is about to hit!

"For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man."

But I know heaps of non-Christians that have at least watched the "Left Behind" movie (and laughed at it), who would probably become Christians ASAP if they saw anything like the events described in most futurist timetables happening BECAUSE it's all a bit of a giveaway.

So - my question to you? Does Jesus mean it when he says it will be like the days of Noah - and that there will be peace - and that no-one will know anything about what is coming?

The people who were left behind in the days of Noah was Noah and his family.

The people who knew nothing and the flood came and took them all away were the wicked.You know nothing.

The tares are gathered first to be burned.
Then the wheat is gathered into the barn.

Mathew 13
30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”



I believe what Jesus said and I laugh at your lies as you tell them.

 

[Oseas]

That was a semantic dodge you pulled just there - and you are contradicting the Lord himself in your attempt to save your end-times-table.
See - there's this period of time leading up to the Return. What's that time like? According to futurists there are terrible calamities like the world has never seen before, a one-world government, anti-Christ, persecution and death of millions of Christians, etc etc etc. I would hardly call these "Peace, peace" and partying and weddings.

But the Lord says peace and partying and weddings is exactly what will be happening - and then BOOM! Judgement. Just like that. The flood was not a "time" - it IS the judgment - it's too late!

In fact - not only is the time peaceful - there's NOTHING INDICATING that Judgement Day is about to hit!

"For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man."

But I know heaps of non-Christians that have at least watched the "Left Behind" movie (and laughed at it), who would probably become Christians ASAP if they saw anything like the events described in most futurist timetables happening BECAUSE it's all a bit of a giveaway.

So - my question to you? Does Jesus mean it when he says it will be like the days of Noah - and that there will be peace - and that no-one will know anything about what is coming?

Interesting post for a good meditation, mainly now after around 2000 years the Word was made flesh and after our Lord JESUS's Ministry. Hebrews 1:1-3 says:
1 GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days (last two days or 2000 years) spoken unto us by His Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of His glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE of the Person of GOD(EXPRESSED LITERALLY IN THE BIBLE), and upholding all things by the Word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

While Noah was building the ark - it took 100 years - the people were having fun, eating, drinking, marrying, giving in marriage, as always, actually, a wonderful life just in the way they liked, everything was going normally in their lives, there was nothing that threatened them, what should they worry about?
To better understand the society of Noah's time, have you ever read in the Scriptures what the people thought and commented before the flood or up to the day Noah entered the ark? Here it is: -> Job 22:17-18:
-->17 They did say unto GOD: Depart from us: and what can the Almighty do for us? (Terrible, very terrible),
18 Yet GOD filled their houses with good things: ... Job 21:11-18 say:
11 They send forth their little ones like a flock, and their children dance.
12 They take the timbrel and harp, and rejoice at the sound of the organ.
13 They spend their days in wealth, ...
14 And they did say unto GOD, Depart from us; for we desire not the knowledge of thy ways. ->(They were ungrateful, the current generation also is. Have mercy, O Lord!)
15 What is the Almighty, that we should serve Him? and what profit should we have, if we pray unto Him?(How much unbelief, O my Lord!)

And here the consequences:
16 Lo, their good is not in their hand: the counsel of the wicked is far from me.
17 How oft is the candle of the wicked put out! and how oft cometh their DESTRUCTION UPON THEM! GOD distributeth sorrows in His anger. (Yes, as also now, again, this is LITERALLY happening in THIS CURRENT TIME according GOD's WRATH-Matthew 24:3-8-JESUS gave a LIST of signs as beginning of sorrows. But the worst is yet to come from now on-Matthew 24:15-25, get ready)
18 They (were)are as stubble before the wind, and as chaff that the storm carrieth away.

Then did Noah according to all that GOD commanded him, so did he.
Genesis 7:1&4-7&13&16:
1 - And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
4 For yet SEVEN days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth. (By the way, we are now living in the seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, or seventh and last millennium. Get ready).
5 And Noah did according unto all that the Lord commanded him.
6 And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.
7 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.
13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark; --> (AND NOW?Luke 13:2430)
16 16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as GOD had commanded him: AND THE LORD SHUT HIM IN.->Yeah,GOD shut the door of the Ark,by the outside, of course.THE SAME OCCURS NOW IN THE DISPENSATION OF GRACE, There will be no more salvation-Luke 13:24:30
24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of GOD.-->
Revelation 11:15-18, take a look
30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

 

[eclipsenow]

I presume this is the celebration you are referring to: Revelation 11:10

Just stop for a minute - and read Matthew 24 and 25 again. Check how the 4 parables after Jesus Jesus discusses "that day" show how normal life is. How people just continue on their way. It's not a momentary celebration as we see in Rev 11. Read MATTHEW for what MATTHEW is saying - and suspend your proclivity for rushing in and saying "I'll help you Matthew, I know what you're REALLY trying to say!" and shoving a whole end-times-sequence over the passage.

Because that's NOT what Matthew is saying! There's no huge CME before Matthew 24.
It's peace, peace - not a planetary disaster up there with a (small and localised) nuclear war in the Middle East.

Then the earthquake of Revelation 11:13 happens, which is the same earthquake as in Revelation 16:18 at the Seventh Bowl - Armageddon and the Return of Jesus,

You mean Revelation sometimes repeats themes and 'scenes' from different angles and points of view? There's hope for you yet!
Revelation isn't a timeline exploring some future end-times-table - it's a waltz through different themes on suffering.
And it shows Judgement Day quite a few times throughout - reminding his audience that the Lord WILL return and Judge X, Y, and Z at quite a few points throughout the book - even at the end of Chapter 6 which you deny.

Now - about Revelation 11? As I have said before, this next guy has a Phd in Jewish symbolism - please watch!
His organisation roughly represents how many Reformed Evangelicals approach Revelation - even if there are a few nuanced differences here and there.
Here's a challenge. Grab your favourite drink and snack, and watch these.
They're only about 11 minutes each.

 

[eclipsenow]

The people who were left behind in the days of Noah was Noah and his family.

The people who knew nothing and the flood came and took them all away were the wicked.You know nothing.

I know that you haven't answered the question.
Instead you repeat some basic plot (while avoiding the obvious comprehension and consequences of the plot), and then just assert "You know nothing."
But you're proving my point for me.
The partying was before the flood.
Then - as you say - "the flood came and took them all away".
Which is exactly what I'm saying.
Judgement Day will be like that.
"Peace, peace" then inescapable catastrophe all at once!
And if I think about it too deeply - and think about sisters and friends I love dearly who do not know the Lord - it can leave me weeping.

 

[parousia70]

Why would we expect the current 100% failure rate of futurist predictions to change?

 

[tailgator]

I know that you haven't answered the question.
Instead you repeat some basic plot (while avoiding the obvious comprehension and consequences of the plot), and then just assert "You know nothing."
But you're proving my point for me.
The partying was before the flood.
Then - as you say - "the flood came and took them all away".
Which is exactly what I'm saying.
Judgement Day will be like that.
"Peace, peace" then inescapable catastrophe all at once!
And if I think about it too deeply - and think about sisters and friends I love dearly who do not know the Lord - it can leave me weeping.

Jesus said his coming is like that.
Which is the point I've been making to keras.

It's not a pleasant day when the Lord comes.He comes during the war of armegeddon.He comes during great tribulation.

Makes me glad to not be living in the kingdom of the beast.At least I know the rest of the world is not destroyed till after the 1000 years.