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How many 2024 predictions have already failed? How many HAVE to fail before people realise?

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Hi all,
So how many 2024 predictions have already failed this year?

I'm also aware that another very big contributor to this forum only has a few years for a temple to appear in Israel for his timetable to pan out (AOD in 2026 apparently - but hello? Where's the temple?)

As an Amil who sees Revelation as John's letter of comfort to fellow Christians suffering in his generation - I'm always amazed at the proliferation of futurist timetables and endless, heartfelt, heated debates about which futurist timetable is right.

And any time people put dates or even sequences of events on them - they fail.
 

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Hi all,
So how many 2024 predictions have already failed this year?

I'm also aware that another very big contributor to this forum only has a few years for a temple to appear in Israel for his timetable to pan out (AOD in 2026 apparently - but hello? Where's the temple?)

As an Amil who sees Revelation as John's letter of comfort to fellow Christians suffering in his generation - I'm always amazed at the proliferation of futurist timetables and endless, heartfelt, heated debates about which futurist timetable is right.

And any time people put dates or even sequences of events on them - they fail.
I believe in the pre-millennial return of Christ. However, it is foolish to attempt to predict what year in the future in which the second coming of Jesus Christ shall be.
 
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Hi all,
So how many 2024 predictions have already failed this year?

I'm also aware that another very big contributor to this forum only has a few years for a temple to appear in Israel for his timetable to pan out (AOD in 2026 apparently - but hello? Where's the temple?)

As an Amil who sees Revelation as John's letter of comfort to fellow Christians suffering in his generation - I'm always amazed at the proliferation of futurist timetables and endless, heartfelt, heated debates about which futurist timetable is right.

And any time people put dates or even sequences of events on them - they fail.
"For the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine and accurate instruction; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance with their own desires."

It was prophesied!

Blessings
 
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Hi all,
So how many 2024 predictions have already failed this year?

I'm also aware that another very big contributor to this forum only has a few years for a temple to appear in Israel for his timetable to pan out (AOD in 2026 apparently - but hello? Where's the temple?)

As an Amil who sees Revelation as John's letter of comfort to fellow Christians suffering in his generation - I'm always amazed at the proliferation of futurist timetables and endless, heartfelt, heated debates about which futurist timetable is right.

And any time people put dates or even sequences of events on them - they fail.
I knew you were going to post this.
 
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Hi all,
So how many 2024 predictions have already failed this year?

I'm also aware that another very big contributor to this forum only has a few years for a temple to appear in Israel for his timetable to pan out (AOD in 2026 apparently - but hello? Where's the temple?)

As an Amil who sees Revelation as John's letter of comfort to fellow Christians suffering in his generation - I'm always amazed at the proliferation of futurist timetables and endless, heartfelt, heated debates about which futurist timetable is right.

And any time people put dates or even sequences of events on them - they fail.
A temple is not required for the armed forces of the north to place a nuke in Jerusalem.
Personally I don't believe it will be placed in Jerusalem in 2026 but 2028 .A few days after Israel's Muslim enemies have captured Jerusalem.

I haven't seen any predictions for 2024 other than my own of Trump being reelected.
 
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Hi all,
So how many 2024 predictions have already failed this year?

I'm also aware that another very big contributor to this forum only has a few years for a temple to appear in Israel for his timetable to pan out (AOD in 2026 apparently - but hello? Where's the temple?)

As an Amil who sees Revelation as John's letter of comfort to fellow Christians suffering in his generation - I'm always amazed at the proliferation of futurist timetables and endless, heartfelt, heated debates about which futurist timetable is right.

And any time people put dates or even sequences of events on them - they fail.
We know there are events that will take place before His return ... when His return actually is .... we do not know ... because of this we are supposed to always be ready. We know by the escalation of things happening in the world that things are escalating (like birth pangs), we know He is near .... how near? We do not know.

The almost complete fulfillment of most lines of prophecy, together with the present condition of the world, indicates that Christ’s coming is near. The time of that event has not been revealed, and we are therefore exhorted to be ready at all times. (Matt. 24; Mark 13; Luke 21; John 14:1-3; Acts 1:9-11; 1 Cor. 15:51-54; 1 Thess. 4:13-18; 5:1-6; 2 Thess. 1:7-10; 2:8; 2 Tim. 3:1-5; Titus 2:13; Heb. 9:28; Rev. 1:7; 14:14-20; 19:11-21.)

As far as the rebuilding of a physical temple in Israel ... Jesus never stated that a earthly temple would be rebuilt after it's last destruction (from historical records 70 AD)

The temple is spiritual ... not physical


1 Peter 2:4-5 If God is active and present in us, we are living stones and part of His spiritual Temple. Just as the Temple had many types of stones, rocks. and boulders making up the foundation, flooring, walls, roof, and pillars, so will God's spiritual Temple. The spiritual Temple of God is a work in progress by Him.

Jesus says the end times will by like the days of Noah ....

Genesis 6:5


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Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great upon the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was altogether evil all the time.

No doubt we see evil becoming more and more prevalent in our world ... the Lord decides when enough is enough and then He will return.

Always be ready ;o)
 
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"For the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine and accurate instruction; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance with their own desires."

It was prophesied!

Blessings
Except that could describe the Roman Catholic centuries as well.
 
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A temple is not required for the armed forces of the north to place a nuke in Jerusalem.
But what about the AOD that so many futurists predict must happen? Don't you have an AOD somewhere in your end-times-table?

Personally I don't believe it will be placed in Jerusalem in 2026 but 2028 .A few days after Israel's Muslim enemies have captured Jerusalem.

I haven't seen any predictions for 2024 other than my own of Trump being reelected.
I personally hope none of these things will happen. I hope for peace in the Middle East. I don't see any scriptural reason for any of these events you have predicted. So there's that.
 
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We know there are events that will take place before His return
I don't know of a single event that must happen.
Everything's already been done. The whistle has blown - and Christ has won the match.
The game is over.
We are now in overtime.
He could return in 5 seconds or 50,000 years - we just don't know.


... when His return actually is .... we do not know ... because of this we are supposed to always be ready. We know by the escalation of things happening in the world that things are escalating (like birth pangs), we know He is near .... how near? We do not know.
Try reading about the Black Death across Europe. Various Middle Ages wars and kingdoms under threat as Islam expanded. WW1. WW2. Etc.
Everyone seems to think their generation is the one where there are too many 'birth pangs' to ignore!


The almost complete fulfillment of most lines of prophecy, together with the present condition of the world, indicates that Christ’s coming is near.
What prophecies apply to now?
OT promises of the return of Israel to the land were fulfilled over 2000 years ago - 1948 is meaningless in terms of prophecy.


The time of that event has not been revealed, and we are therefore exhorted to be ready at all times. (Matt. 24; Mark 13; Luke 21; John 14:1-3; Acts 1:9-11; 1 Cor. 15:51-54; 1 Thess. 4:13-18; 5:1-6; 2 Thess. 1:7-10; 2:8; 2 Tim. 3:1-5; Titus 2:13; Heb. 9:28; Rev. 1:7; 14:14-20; 19:11-21.)
Agreed.

As far as the rebuilding of a physical temple in Israel ... Jesus never stated that a earthly temple would be rebuilt after it's last destruction (from historical records 70 AD)

The temple is spiritual ... not physical
Agreed - althought that is a rare view among many futurists.
Jesus says the end times will by like the days of Noah ....

Genesis 6:5


Berean Standard Bible
Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great upon the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was altogether evil all the time.

No doubt we see evil becoming more and more prevalent in our world ... the Lord decides when enough is enough and then He will return.
Agreed - although Peter said the "Last Days" started 2000 years ago when he gave the sermon at Pentecost - and the description of evil people in these 'Last Days' applied then as much as now. 2 Timothy 3: 3 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.

Acts 2:
14 Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice and addressed the crowd: “Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem, let me explain this to you; listen carefully to what I say. 15 These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning! 16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:

17 “‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.


So in defending the Apostles and the declaration of the gospel - Peter declares the last days started 2000 years ago!
The whistle has blown. We're in overtime. There's nothing left to be done to fulfil prophecy (other than the general gospel promise that at any second the Lord could return). So let's get on with declaring the gospel - instead of constantly drawing up new end-times-tables and squabbling over them.

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OT promises of the return of Israel to the land were fulfilled over 2000 years ago - 1948 is meaningless in terms of prophecy.
Oh you think so eh? Better read this book quick!

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It's hard to believe it's nearly been an additional 40 years since I found a copy of that on my doorstep.
 
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But what about the AOD that so many futurists predict must happen? Don't you have an AOD somewhere in your end-times-table?


I personally hope none of these things will happen. I hope for peace in the Middle East. I don't see any scriptural reason for any of these events you have predicted. So there's that.
Sure I see the armed forces placing the abomination of desolation in Jerusalem.

It's actually Israel policy that it should be placed in Israel along with all nations that attack Israel.
The policy is called the Samson option and it is implemented 3.5 days after Jerusalem is taken.

The Samson Option (Hebrew: ברירת שמשון, romanized: b'rerat shimshon) is Israel's deterrence strategy of massive retaliation with nuclear weapons as a "last resort" against a country whose military has invaded and/or destroyed much of Israel.[1]


Now if you don't see the nations defeating the Israeli government,then how is it they take Jerusalem ransacking the houses and raping the women?The Israeli government is in Jerusalem you know.


Zech 14
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.



Oh yeah,it will be a time of great tribulation.The likes of which the world has never seen.People just getting all burt.Just being consumed while they stand on their feet.

Zech 14
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their
mouth


Mathew 24:21-22
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened






You believe this stuff in the bible?People being consumed as they stand on their feet?That has to be very fast heat to do that.
 
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Based on Christian Calendar:
What will be the the Ineffable, Wonderful, Indescribable, Unspeakable day, the day 1.335 Daniel 12:12 on the Christian Calendar?

1Thessalonians 4:15
15 - For this we say unto you by the Word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
Daniel 12:12
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

See, those who will not wait for the Ineffable, Wonderful, Indescribable, Unspeakable and future day 1335 of Daniel 12:12, and do not get to the 1335th day, they will not be blessed.

Get ready
 
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You believe this stuff in the bible? People being consumed as they stand on their feet? That has to be very fast heat to do that.
Nope. Use a modern translation and you won't have these issues.

First - most 'futurist' laypeople reading the Old Testament do not understand how Old Testament prophecy works.

Paul Williamson teaches Old Testament at Moore Theological College. In America he would be called a Professor of OT. He says:-

"While the Old Testament portrays God as the righteous judge of all the earth (cf. Gen 18:25; 1Sam 2:10; 1Chr 16:33) who holds both individuals and nations accountable for their actions (e.g., Deut 32:41; Psa 110:6; Job 19:29; Eccl 3:17; 11:9; Ezek 33:20; Jer 25:31; Joel 3:2), such divine judgment — often referred to as “the day of the LORD” or simply “that day” — is usually confined to the historical realm (i.e., military overthrow, physical curse and/or death); seldom, if ever, does it refer to a final, eschatological or eternal judgment. Some texts may arguably allude to such (e.g., Psa 1:5; Eccl 3:17; 11:9; 12:14), but the closest we get to a final assize in the Old Testament is the scene in Daniel 7, where the Ancient of Days presides over a heavenly court at which books are opened, the terrifying fourth beast is destroyed in blazing fire, and the eternal kingdom is given to God’s holy people. Arguably the same scenario is portrayed somewhat differently in Daniel 12, where those sleeping in the dust of the earth awake — some to glory and everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. In any case, there is little doubt that both these texts inform the New Testament’s portrayal of the ultimate Day of the Lord and the final judgment." The Final Judgment

As for Matthew 24 and the AOD.

The disciples had just been gawking like country boys visiting the big city. They were going on about the huge stones the temple was built from - reflecting something of the awe and security other Old Testament prophets had warned against. (Israel saying “The temple! The temple!” like some kind of good luck charm - even as they disobeyed God and his law.) Surely that temple - the one they were visiting 2000 years ago - would last forever? Jesus warned them not to trust in that temple - as it would be destroyed.

The disciples were so shocked they asked 2 questions:

A: When would this happen to the temple?
B: If that happens - does it mean the end of the world?

Jesus had 2 subjects to answer. “These things” (the temple they could see from the Mount of Olives) would be destroyed in a way that was predictable. There would be nation against nation (Rome), earthquakes (there was), false messiahs (there were) - out in the desert (that's where the false messiah’s rallied their armies).

Jesus was absolutely right - THAT temple died in AD70.
It was local. It was predictable. It was avoidable. It was 'these things' and 'those days'. You could flee it by fleeing - wait for it - Judea. Not fleeing modern Israel! Judea. Because it was actually about fleeing that area then - running from the Romans.

Then Jesus moves on to discuss the end of the world as THAT DAY! In contrast to AD70 which was predictable, local, and escapable - THAT DAY is to ****be universal and inescapable and a total surprise. Jesus confirms the surprise by following up with ******4 parables all about being surprised or caught unprepared.

The temple’s destruction WAS predictable and local and escape-able. The AOD could have been Caesar’s eagle in the temple - being sacrificed to - others I respect say Jesus could have been quoting the vibe of the Antiochus atrocities to refer to his own murder - which offered up as the ultimate sacrifice - makes the whole temple unnecessary. Whichever it is - the AOD happened. Over 2000 years ago. Trying to predict another temple and another AOD misses the point.

But THAT DAY that we are waiting on? It will be unpredictable and universal and inescapable.
 
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You believe this stuff in the bible?People being consumed as they stand on their feet?That has to be very fast heat to do that.
Will Malachi 4:1 & 3, be just a case of sunburn? That a liberal application of sunscreen will fix?
2 Peter 3:7 tells us we must be tested by fire and over 70- other Prophesies detail that sudden and devastating event. Which will NOT be the glorious Return, as there is no fire said to happen then.
 
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Will Malachi 4:1 & 3, be just a case of sunburn? That a liberal application of sunscreen will fix?
2 Peter 3:7 tells us we must be tested by fire and over 70- other Prophesies detail that sudden and devastating event. Which will NOT be the glorious Return, as there is no fire said to happen then.
Do you keep the count of how many of your personal predictions you both made publicly and kept for yourself, failed? Not for 2024, but since you have been making them.
 
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Will Malachi 4:1 & 3, be just a case of sunburn? That a liberal application of sunscreen will fix?
First - there's no point discussing OT prophecies with you because you defy common sense, reason, and basic hermeneutics in the way you rip them out of context and make them about... whatever you want them to be about.

2 Peter 3:7 tells us we must be tested by fire and over 70- other Prophesies detail that sudden and devastating event. Which will NOT be the glorious Return, as there is no fire said to happen then.
Second - saying we're going to be 'tested' by fire from 2 Peter 3 is like saying we're going to be 'tested' by the end of the world. Which WILL be the glorious return, as there is HEAPS of fire said to happen then! In the New Testament the 'destruction of the ungodly' is THAT DAY language.

See? It's so clear.
Noah was lifted up in the ark - then the world was judged and drowned. In our case we will be saved - the rest of the world will burn.
EVERYTHING will be destroyed this way - not just the Middle East.
Then - after Judgement Day - there is no 1000 years.
There is only the NHNE.
It's all there.
Plain as day.

2 Peter 3.​


3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly....

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.


11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.
 
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Nope. Use a modern translation and you won't have these issues.

First - most 'futurist' laypeople reading the Old Testament do not understand how Old Testament prophecy works.

Paul Williamson teaches Old Testament at Moore Theological College. In America he would be called a Professor of OT. He says:-

"While the Old Testament portrays God as the righteous judge of all the earth (cf. Gen 18:25; 1Sam 2:10; 1Chr 16:33) who holds both individuals and nations accountable for their actions (e.g., Deut 32:41; Psa 110:6; Job 19:29; Eccl 3:17; 11:9; Ezek 33:20; Jer 25:31; Joel 3:2), such divine judgment — often referred to as “the day of the LORD” or simply “that day” — is usually confined to the historical realm (i.e., military overthrow, physical curse and/or death); seldom, if ever, does it refer to a final, eschatological or eternal judgment. Some texts may arguably allude to such (e.g., Psa 1:5; Eccl 3:17; 11:9; 12:14), but the closest we get to a final assize in the Old Testament is the scene in Daniel 7, where the Ancient of Days presides over a heavenly court at which books are opened, the terrifying fourth beast is destroyed in blazing fire, and the eternal kingdom is given to God’s holy people. Arguably the same scenario is portrayed somewhat differently in Daniel 12, where those sleeping in the dust of the earth awake — some to glory and everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. In any case, there is little doubt that both these texts inform the New Testament’s portrayal of the ultimate Day of the Lord and the final judgment." The Final Judgment

As for Matthew 24 and the AOD.

The disciples had just been gawking like country boys visiting the big city. They were going on about the huge stones the temple was built from - reflecting something of the awe and security other Old Testament prophets had warned against. (Israel saying “The temple! The temple!” like some kind of good luck charm - even as they disobeyed God and his law.) Surely that temple - the one they were visiting 2000 years ago - would last forever? Jesus warned them not to trust in that temple - as it would be destroyed.

The disciples were so shocked they asked 2 questions:

A: When would this happen to the temple?
B: If that happens - does it mean the end of the world?

Jesus had 2 subjects to answer. “These things” (the temple they could see from the Mount of Olives) would be destroyed in a way that was predictable. There would be nation against nation (Rome), earthquakes (there was), false messiahs (there were) - out in the desert (that's where the false messiah’s rallied their armies).

Jesus was absolutely right - THAT temple died in AD70.
It was local. It was predictable. It was avoidable. It was 'these things' and 'those days'. You could flee it by fleeing - wait for it - Judea. Not fleeing modern Israel! Judea. Because it was actually about fleeing that area then - running from the Romans.

Then Jesus moves on to discuss the end of the world as THAT DAY! In contrast to AD70 which was predictable, local, and escapable - THAT DAY is to ****be universal and inescapable and a total surprise. Jesus confirms the surprise by following up with ******4 parables all about being surprised or caught unprepared.

The temple’s destruction WAS predictable and local and escape-able. The AOD could have been Caesar’s eagle in the temple - being sacrificed to - others I respect say Jesus could have been quoting the vibe of the Antiochus atrocities to refer to his own murder - which offered up as the ultimate sacrifice - makes the whole temple unnecessary. Whichever it is - the AOD happened. Over 2000 years ago. Trying to predict another temple and another AOD misses the point.

But THAT DAY that we are waiting on? It will be unpredictable and universal and inescapable.
Thank you for admitting you don't believe the word of God.That explains why you know nothing.
Anyone who has received the holy Ghost knows the temple of God is not a cold stone building made by sinners like Herod .
You should repent and ask for the gift of the holy Ghost to you can learn what the temple of God really is.
 
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Will Malachi 4:1 & 3, be just a case of sunburn? That a liberal application of sunscreen will fix?
2 Peter 3:7 tells us we must be tested by fire and over 70- other Prophesies detail that sudden and devastating event. Which will NOT be the glorious Return, as there is no fire said to happen then.
Sure there will be plenty of of fire when the Lord comes.Jesus spoke of the fire at his coming.
Jesus said his angels will come with him in the end and he will send them forth to get her together his elect.His elect is the wheat gathered into the barn when the tares are burned.


There will be a blazing fire.


Mathew 13:41-42
The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.
They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


Mathew 13:30
Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’”
 
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