How long will creationist beliefs go on for?

[Tomatoman]

"Simple" or "often"?

If you change your views with every new issue of SlyandTricks Anmerrymen, why should I take what you say against against the Bible seriously?

Why can't I just wait until your views catch up with God's?

You are desperately trying to avoid the fact that you have the problem with the real world, not me.

You are the one who takes the real world with a "grain of sand", not me.

You are the one who has to use coping strategies to deal with these problems, not me.

Having the real world on ignore may be a radical solution, but it seems to work for you.

 

[AV1611VET]

Having the real world on ignore may be a radical solution, but it seems to work for you.

I'm not the one who...

That's why your president or public figures always mentioning god makes us pass the sick bucket.

... needs a 'sick bucket' whenever our public figures mention God.

It sounds to me like your allegiance to science has given you some kind of spiritual ulcer.

 

[Tomatoman]

I'm not the one who...
... needs a 'sick bucket' whenever our public figures mention God.

It sounds to me like your allegiance to science has given you some kind of spiritual ulcer.

Aha, two in one. Deliberate misunderstanding tactic as well as inability to comprehend foriegn attitudes of non-religious country. Parochialism and avoidance all in one go. Impressive.

 

[AV1611VET]

Aha, two in one. Deliberate misunderstanding tactic as well as inability to comprehend foriegn attitudes of non-religious country. Parochialism and avoidance all in one go. Impressive.

Like I said, I'll just take what you said with a grain of sand, then.

 

[Tomatoman]

Like I said, I'll just take what you said with a grain of sand, then.

Translated as "Like I said, I'll just ignore what you said, then".

 

[Skavau]

Please explain the reference to the bucket then.

What are you talking about? What bucket?

 

[Skavau]

(emphasis mine) ...and who was it first said that? One of the biggest liars in UK politics for decades. (he was of course actually talking about the New Labour administration not UK politicians across the board so to try to apply it in that manner is misleading at best)

It was a reference to the Labour politician that said it. I can't remember who it was off the top of my head, but in any case you can't seriously be disputing the fact that religious adherence to Christianity plays any real role whatsoever in political legitimacy here.

 

[Skavau]

That's inaccurate. Darwinism is quite rooted and adhered to.

'Darwinism' is not a religion.

 

[Tomatoman]

What are you talking about? What bucket?

He was referring to a colourful phrase I used about the reaction on this side of the Atlantic when American presidents or public figures start mentioning god. 'Pass the sick bucket' being the pertinent phrase. I have a feeling that this reaction is so beyond AV's frame of reference that I may as well have been speaking a foriegn language.

 

[Hespera]

'Darwinism' is not a religion.

I dont think "Darwinism" or "Darwinians" exist outside the minds of the trailer parkers.

I guess if anyone is, they can be dragged to that level for all I care.

 

[theFijian]

It was a reference to the Labour politician that said it. I can't remember who it was off the top of my head, but in any case you can't seriously be disputing the fact that religious adherence to Christianity plays any real role whatsoever in political legitimacy here.

While there are still Christian Politicians and while Christians are still allowed to vote then yes. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it illegitimate.

PS. It wasn't a politician who said it

 

[Hespera]

While there are still Christian Politicians and while Christians are still allowed to vote then yes. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it illegitimate.

PS. It wasn't a politician who said it

Whose opinion would you say it represents?

 

[Skavau]

While there are still Christian Politicians and while Christians are still allowed to vote then yes. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it illegitimate.

What? When did I say Christians shouldn't vote or that Christian politicians do not exist? Do you even know what I'm arguing?

PS. It wasn't a politician who said it

A quick google seems to say it was Alastair Campbell.

 

[AV1611VET]

He was referring to a colourful phrase I used about the reaction on this side of the Atlantic when American presidents or public figures start mentioning god.

Any negative reaction -- even rolling your eyes -- tells me that you guys must roll your eyes a lot; like every time you see your flag.

Unless, of course, you don't; which would be ... ironic.

 

[theFijian]

What? When did I say Christians shouldn't vote or that Christian politicians do not exist? Do you even know what I'm arguing?

I know that secularists want to think that they can exclude Christianity (or any other religion) from the public sphere but while Christians are still allowed to vote and still allowed to stand for parliament then Christianity will continue to influence public life as they have a right to (perhaps you want to nitpick about the word 'adherence' but this the nub of the issue).

A quick google seems to say it was Alastair Campbell.

And the context of that quote shows us how spineless Blair was, the extent of Campbell's grip over the New Labour administration and how rotten that administration had become. And as I've already said to try and use that quote as a blanket representation of UK politics is at best misleading. I'm sure there are plenty who would wish it to be true, just as there are plenty who know it isn't.

 

[Tomatoman]

Any negative reaction -- even rolling your eyes -- tells me that you guys must roll your eyes a lot; like every time you see your flag.

Unless, of course, you don't; which would be ... ironic.

As I say, completely beyond your ken.

(You should come to Britain sometime; you'd find it very interesting, I'm sure.)

 

[AV1611VET]

(You should come to Britain sometime; you'd find it very interesting, I'm sure.)

Britain came here.

 

[Skavau]

I know that secularists want to think that they can exclude Christianity (or any other religion) from the public sphere

No. I want to exclude the government from endorsing, advocating and providing assistance through my tax money to any religion. I also don't want government to discourage and oppress any particular religion (with the exception of Scientology, which is a cult). That is what Secularism is.

but while Christians are still allowed to vote and still allowed to stand for parliament then Christianity will continue to influence public life as they have a right to

I'm sure it will and I never said they couldn't or wouldn't. But they don't. Britain is largely apathetic to religion. That was my point and it goes much further than merely citing the spindoctor of Tony Blair. How many of the main political parties have any religious spokespersons (with the exception of Ann Widdecombe)? How much of a problem are issues like homosexual marriage, abortion, stem cell research and euthanasia here in contrast to the USA? Even the BNP, a party which tries to herald our ancestry and culture is barely religious in how it presents itself.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

Britain came here.

AMERICUH!

 

[AV1611VET]

AMERICUH!