How Long was Adam in the Garden?

mmksparbud · Jun 26, 2020

-57 said:
Same as above.....If you don't eat from the tree in heaven and die...what happens to you?

Why would you not? 12 different fruits a month it bears. I don't believe that you must eat of it every day, after all, Elijah went for 40 days on one meal. But it obviously is something that God has given to us for our immortality. To not eat of it would be to spurn what God has provided, which would be a sinful thing. So, no one is going to refuse it a gift from God. Why would you?
Why would someone choose death? The body would gradually wear away, no one is going to be that stupid. We have made our minds up here to follow Him, He will give us the fruit for our immortality, who would refuse?

Stephen P · Jun 26, 2020

-57 said:
The flyers of the skies....those are birds, those are bats, those are bugs, those are pterodactyl...etc.

We talk in the same way...did you go to the zoo and see all the cats? Did you see all the snakes? There is no need to say did you see the tigers, lions, cougars etc. Or did you see the rattlesnakes, corn snakes, cobras etc.

Yes true.
But pulling the focus back to Land Birds, Sea Birds, Herbivores, Carnivores, Insects would be too simple.
Even zooming into Marsupials Reptiles is maybe too big?
Maybe the next level? Snakes, Lizards.... 7 levels below.
Evolution of reptiles - Wikipedia

Stephen P · Jun 26, 2020

The other big point.
Why get Adam to name them when we have NO IDEA what Adam named them - I'm Assuming Adam never knew Latin.
So what was God's use/workload in bring all to Adam for the Naming?
Was it not naming but Approval perhaps?
ie those that Adam didn't like, died out?

Again, if we knew what Adam was looking at, we'd be able to match it with the process of history (maybe not the timeline though)

S.

Stephen P · Jun 26, 2020

mmksparbud said:
Why would you not? 12 different fruits a month it bears. I don't believe that you must eat of it every day, after all, Elijah went for 40 days on one meal. But it obviously is something that God has given to us for our immortality. To not eat of it would be to spurn what God has provided, which would be a sinful thing. So, no one is going to refuse it a gift from God. Why would you?
Why would someone choose death? The body would gradually wear away, no one is going to be that stupid. We have made our minds up here to follow Him, He will give us the fruit for our immortality, who would refuse?

Hi
WE know the body wears away, but Adam and Eve weren't stupid, but they would have had NO concept of age and wearing.
They were in a paradise of no pain, no misery.
They only knew that "Die" was a punishment. They did not know what it entailed.
For example, if Eve knew what birthing pains would be like, I'm VERY sure she would have told the Serpent to knot itself.

mmksparbud · Jun 26, 2020

Stephen P said:
Hi
WE know the body wears away, but Adam and Eve weren't stupid, but they would have had NO concept of age and wearing.
They were in a paradise of no pain, no misery.
They only knew that "Die" was a punishment. They did not know what it entailed.
For example, if Eve knew what birthing pains would be like, I'm VERY sure she would have told the Serpent to knot itself.

We were talking about after the resurrection, not Adam and Eve except that they were kicked out of the garden to prevent them from eating of the tree of life and living forever in sin.

eleos1954 · Jun 26, 2020

-57 said:
If you don't eat from the tree in heaven and die...what happens to you?

There isn't going to be any death in heaven.

-57 · Jun 26, 2020

Stephen P said:
Which is an interesting scenario because of course, A&E WERE thrown out of the garden and the Garden was hidden.

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To add to that since the fall and mutations to our DNA began to occur life expectancy has decreased.

-57 · Jun 26, 2020

mmksparbud said:
Why would you not? 12 different fruits a month it bears. I don't believe that you must eat of it every day, after all, Elijah went for 40 days on one meal. But it obviously is something that God has given to us for our immortality. To not eat of it would be to spurn what God has provided, which would be a sinful thing. So, no one is going to refuse it a gift from God. Why would you?
Why would someone choose death? The body would gradually wear away, no one is going to be that stupid. We have made our minds up here to follow Him, He will give us the fruit for our immortality, who would refuse?

Why would you not eat??? Who knows...but it appears that it would be possible. If that were the case then it would be possible to die again.

The eating from the tree may be symbolic and represent something much like taking communion.

-57 · Jun 26, 2020

Stephen P said:
Yes true.
But pulling the focus back to Land Birds, Sea Birds, Herbivores, Carnivores, Insects would be too simple.
Even zooming into Marsupials Reptiles is maybe too big?
Maybe the next level? Snakes, Lizards.... 7 levels below.
Evolution of reptiles - Wikipedia

The animals presented to Adam would have been of the created kind..that is no proceeding ancestors.

-57 · Jun 26, 2020

Stephen P said:
The other big point.
Why get Adam to name them when we have NO IDEA what Adam named them - I'm Assuming Adam never knew Latin.
So what was God's use/workload in bring all to Adam for the Naming?
Was it not naming but Approval perhaps?
ie those that Adam didn't like, died out?

Again, if we knew what Adam was looking at, we'd be able to match it with the process of history (maybe not the timeline though)

S.

I would say know one knows why Adam named them what he named them. The main reason was to show Adam he needed a helpmate....the animals would not do.

-57 · Jun 26, 2020

eleos1954 said:
There isn't going to be any death in heaven.

Kinda my point...The Tree of Life won't be needed to keep you alive in heaven...which will be on earth.

eleos1954 · Jun 26, 2020

-57 said:
Kinda my point...The Tree of Life won't be needed to keep you alive in heaven...which will be on earth.

There's the physical ... we will physically eat food ... not to sustain our life ... but to be enjoyed.

The metaphoric

Jesus is like a Tree of Life in the sense that in Him we have life and that life lasts forever. Jesus is like a Tree of Life in the sense that those who believe in Him have eternal life through Him. Jesus is life.

mmksparbud · Jun 26, 2020

-57 said:
Why would you not eat??? Who knows...but it appears that it would be possible. If that were the case then it would be possible to die again.

The eating from the tree may be symbolic and represent something much like taking communion.

There will be no more death--so no, no one is going to do that! There is no more sin. So no, no one is going to reject a gift from God. We do still have free will, but one look at the scars of Jesus and no one is going to sin.

mmksparbud · Jun 26, 2020

-57 said:
Kinda my point...The Tree of Life won't be needed to keep you alive in heaven...which will be on earth.

If it isn't needed---why would God have it there and promise to give it back to us?

Stephen P · Jun 27, 2020

-57 said:
To add to that since the fall and mutations to our DNA began to occur life expectancy has decreased.

Yep. from Noah's 950 years to average of what?
Either the world was spinning faster in those days (ie days were only say, 18 hours - Check Earth : The making of a planet)
OR like some people who live higher up, live longer.

Stephen P · Jun 27, 2020

mmksparbud said:
If it isn't needed---why would God have it there and promise to give it back to us?

Agreed, and it goes back to paraphrase "what was got corrupted, and will be again."
Rev. 21:1;4 "There will be a new Heaven and a new Earth."
If we are going to Heaven with God why bother with the new Earth?

Rev 22: The River of Life Comes from the Lamb on the Throne / Heaven.
Is that confusing things?
[EDIT]
[Gen2:10 has RMT: and a river was going out from Eden"
So for heaven AND Earth, there is a Tree and a River.]

A few points to support this.
Going back to What Was Will be again, I feel that we were always meant to be EARTHLY, not HEAVENLY beings.
"That heaven is a place where God resides.
Note: The Saints under God's altar are in Heaven, so, yes there is some "Human storage" in Heaven at the moment. Described in Revelation 11:12 “they went to Heaven, wrapped in a cloud..”"
I believe that we will be back on Earth, where we belonged with a New Resurrected body (a real one).
Because we were designed to be the caretakers of Earth, not of Heaven. God has all those multi eyed beasts, wheeled lion and eagle things to do all that Spiritual stuff.
This is physical, not Spiritual, If we were designed for Heaven we cannot have a physical body.
To support this, Jesus was Physically resurrected, not suddenly appearing as a ghost/spirit, (walking thru walls is only the same Solid-to-Liquid element manipulation as the Liquid-to-Solid walking on water?) and The Bible deliberately points that out with the Thomas incident.

coffee4u · Jun 27, 2020

-57 said:
I think intention might be in play here.

It wasn't the fruit that causes the fall but rather the intentions of Adam and Eve...the actual act of disobedience.

You might be able to say the same for the Tree of Life.

A&E could eat from any tree except for one tree. If they were in the garden for any great amount of time I would think they ate from the tree of life. Why not?

Like most I find I can't be dogmatic on this issue and more studying and thinking is required.

The fruit itself didn't cause them to die, disobedience did.

If they were in the garden for a great length of time they would have filled the order to 'be fruitful and multiply'

Quite possible, we are not told.

Stephen P · Jun 27, 2020

And another view.

GEN 3:22. RMT: and YHWH the Elohiym said, though the human had existed like one of us, knowing function and dysfunction, and now otherwise, he will send his hand and he will take also from the tree of life, and he will eat and he will live to a distant time,
Gen 3:23 RMT: and YHWH the Elohiym sent him from the garden of Eden to serve the ground which from there he was taken,

> God's fix was to cast out Adam, not to destroy the Tree.

GEN3:24 RMT: and he cast out the human, and the keruvs and the blazing one dwelt from the east to the garden of Eden, the sword overturning herself to safeguard the road of the tree of life,

> The Tree was NOT destroyed, but hidden... Why?

If we are going to Heaven, why keep the physical tree?
Heaven already has a River of Life.

So Logically we are going to Earth, And Earth where we need the tree of Life.

coffee4u · Jun 27, 2020

Stephen P said:
Umm in my post??
"all the beasts and to the flyers of the skies, and to all the living ones of the field,"

G1 And G2 repeat themselves a bit.... give us a second to order them..

Genesis 2 does not give a second-order, it is focusing in on the garden of Eden and giving more details about that.

Verse 5 is not really the best English translation, but if you look up the Hebrew you will see the plants here are not the general plants of Genesis 1:11 but rather crops and food plants that God planted in the garden for humans. The cattle and such had grasses and trees outside of the garden. Adam was made outside of the garden and now we are told God moved him into the garden then Eve was made inside the garden.
After the crops it mentions the animals, not being created but being brought to Adam to name.
19 Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. Had, as in previously made.

Stephen P · Jun 27, 2020

coffee4u said:
The fruit itself didn't cause them to die, disobedience did.

If they were in the garden for a great length of time they would have filled the order to 'be fruitful and multiply'

Quite possible, we are not told.

true, The fruit increased knowledge only.
The Wages of Sin is Death but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
So sin IS death, but what was Before Sin? Death or no Death?

G1:28 says "Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth, and subdue it. Have dominion "
That doesn't give us an answer as it could be both ways, living forever and reproducing WILL fill the world VERY FAST.
Reproducing then dying will also fill the world, just slower.
Mind you,
"The global average fertility rate is just below 2.5 children per woman today. Over the last 50 years the global fertility rate has halved."
But that just means that pregnancy/child survival rates are so much better now that families only need to replace themselves.
s.

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