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No, they were not!!
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
If they had stayed in the garden, with the tree oi life, they would have stayed immortal in sin.
After the resurrection we are again given access to the Tree of Life:
Rev_2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Rev_22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Immortality is a gift from God, not a right of birth!!
Rom_6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
There is no way that Satan would have wasted any time in tempting them to fall. It doesn't say how long they were there.
Not every single species of animal had been created---but each classification of animals. Not every species of Cat---but a male and female of a cat, micro evolution would do the rest. Like when Noah had the animals taken into the ark---they were the parent of the species---not every single species. Noah didn't need 30 different kinds of dogs--just wolves. Microevolution then would create all the different types of dogs. Irish Wolfhounds to Chihuahuas all come from wolves.
So are you asserting that Adam would have died; regardless of whether or not he would have eaten of 'the tree of of knowledge of good and evil'?
Can't really put an exact number on it .... but don't think it was very long ...
Adam and Eve had been commanded by God to “be fruitful and multiply, and fill the Earth” (Genesis 1:28). Upon marrying, Moses recounts God’s command for husband and wife: “a man shall…be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh” (2:24). If Adam and Eve had refused to do so, they would have been disobeying God and, therefore, sinning.
We can, therefore, assume that Adam and Eve were obeying God, since their first sins were tied to eating from the forbidden Tree, not from disobeying God’s command regarding procreation.
Since Adam and Eve did not conceive a child until after their eviction from the Garden, it stands to reason that they were not even in the Garden long enough to do so.
Absolutely not! They would have remained immortal if they had not sinned for they would have had access to the tree of life. As we will have. Immortality is a gift from God.
Prior th the fall A&E would have lived forever.
Will people in heaven...post reserrection...need to eat from the TOL to remain alive?
Prior th the fall A&E would have lived forever.
Will people in heaven...post reserrection...need to eat from the TOL to remain alive?
Absolutely not! They would have remained immortal if they had not sinned for they would have had access to the tree of life. As we will have. Immortality is a gift from God.
I disagree, they did not have to eat from the tree of life before the fall. If eating from the tree was how they prevented dying then death was already there but was only being held back by eating from that tree. Yet the bible says there was no death prior to sin so there was no need to 'hold it back'. It was sin itself that brought in death.
Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned-
Where there was no sin there was no death, so no death meant not having to prevent it. If you are holding something back and preventing it by doing X then that thing is already with you.
It was because sin brought in death, death meaning the ageing process as well as the ability to die that the tree could have been used for them to live forever. Before that they didn't need it.
Just quoting scripture.
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
There had been no death prior to the fall.
perhaps so ... Revelation 22
The River of Life
1Then the angel showed me a river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2down the middle of the main street of the city. On either side of the river stood a tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit and yielding a fresh crop for each month.
And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.3No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be within the city, and His servants will worship Him. 4They will see His face, and His name will be on their foreheads. 5There will be no more night in the city, and they will have no need for the light of a lamp or of the sun. For the Lord God will shine on them, and they will reign forever and ever.
metaphorical .... literal .... both ??? Personally, I believe both.
Jesus stated that He would one day eat again with His followers: "Truly, I say to you, I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God" (Mark 14:25).
The resurrected Jesus ate: "They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and he took it and ate before them" (Luke 24:42-43). Jesus also seems to have eaten in John 21:4-14. This does not mean all people will eat in heaven, but at least shows that Jesus ate after His resurrection.
Same as above.....If you don't eat from the tree in heaven and die...what happens to you?Rev_2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Rev_22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
I disagree, they did not have to eat from the tree of life before the fall. If eating from the tree was how they prevented dying then death was already there but was only being held back by eating from that tree. Yet the bible says there was no death prior to sin so there was no need to 'hold it back'. It was sin itself that brought in death.
Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned-
Where there was no sin there was no death, so no death meant not having to prevent it. If you are holding something back and preventing it by doing X then that thing is already with you.
It was because sin brought in death, death meaning the ageing process as well as the ability to die that the tree could have been used for them to live forever. Before that they didn't need it.
Creation Day 6
Gen1 V24: "RMT: and Elohiym said, the land will bring out living souls to her kind, beasts and treaders and living ones[9] of the land to her kind, and he existed so"
Gen1 V31: "RMT: and Elohiym saw all which he made, and look, it is very functional, and evening existed and morning existed, a sixth day"
Gen2 V2: "RMT: and Elohiym finished in the seventh day his business which he did, and he ceased in the seventh day from all his business which he did,"
Gen2 V3: "RMT: and Elohiym exalted the seventh day and he set him apart, given that in him he ceased from all of his business which Elohiym shaped to make."
~~~~~~~~~~~ End of Creation ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Adam Molded AFTER Creation.. not "brought out".
Gen2 V7: "RMT: and YHWH the Elohiym molded the human of dirt from the ground and he exhaled in his nostrils a breath of life and the human existed for a living soul,"
Naming, AFTER Creation.
Gen2 V20: "RMT: and the human called out the titles to all the beasts and to the flyers of the skies, and to all the living ones of the field, but for the human he did not find a helper as his opposite"
"-57", possibly some of the considerations to look at?I think intention might be in play here.
It wasn't the fruit that causes the fall but rather the intentions of Adam and Eve...the actual act of disobedience.
You might be able to say the same for the Tree of Life.
A&E could eat from any tree except for one tree. If they were in the garden for any great amount of time I would think they ate from the tree of life. Why not?
Like most I find I can't be dogmatic on this issue and more studying and thinking is required.
Umm in my post??Once again I have to ask...where does it say Adam named each and every species?
There could've been a dozen different species of birds flying over Adam or perching in the trees....and All Adam had to do was say...they are birds.
Some people make the error of having Adam name every single species to either discredit Genesis or fit it into Old Earth theology.
SO +2. Did A&E started dying when the Tree of Life was hidden and they could not rejuvenate their life, NOT when they Fell?
Then the Serpent was perfectly correct, The TREE OF DISCERNMENT would not kill them.
The removal of the Tree of Life due to eating from the Tree of Discernment DID kill them.
So this one makes sense to me, especially linked in with end days, below.
Umm in my post??
"all the beasts and to the flyers of the skies, and to all the living ones of the field,"
G1 And G2 repeat themselves a bit.... give us a second to order them..
Which is an interesting scenario because of course, A&E WERE thrown out of the garden and the Garden was hidden.Interesting thought.
It sounds like you are saying the ToL had properties in the fruit to prevent aging and such... much like an orange tree provides people with vitamin C and prevents scurvy.
That is when the sailors were removed from the vitamin C source they became sick. Much like A&E being removed from the ToL they began to die.
As I said that sounds interesting but what if A&E or their future progeny like the sailors left the source, the garden? It seems to me they would eventually begin to die and eventually die.
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