How long has man been created.

[GenemZ]

You've just turned this thread on an attack on me when I am discussing Science; not one of the myriad of interpretations of the Bibe.

You are not discussing science, but nothing other than another theory that will be proven to wrong, and to those who can see the facts, already know it can not be right. But you push it as your calling card to establish your belief as being authoritative. And, not only is your theory wrong. It requires a leap of logic (not faith) to accept your so called science.

As the young earth creationists appear to you? You are equally blind and suffer from a selective deafness whenever points are made that disprove your idol, thetheory which you worship on the alter of secular reasoning.

And count down for more scripture from in five...four...three...two...

And then I'll have to talk about science.

Stop being closed minded that other religions deserve respect too y'know. And appreciation.

You do not know God.

You only heard things about God that you can recall and repeat.

You are not here to teach science. You are here to preach your form of replacement theology. You believe you have found a new alter to worship at, and come in the guise of being one of us.

Its so easy to see through your pretense. You are not here to talk about science. You are here to try and use science to prove that Christians should stop trusting their Bible. Its a technique used in the past by both the Nazis and Communists. But, that would not be a subtle approach amongst the culture you walk in. For we have not degenerated socially enough for you to step in and take over the minds of men around you. You must be patient, and pick off one weak sheep out of the flock after another.

You call its science. Its simply a lie wrapped in the markings of science. Yes, limited levels of adaptation (benevolent mutation) has taken place over time. But it does not even begin to explain how life could have begun with bacteria and ended up becoming the creation of today. Especially, since we still have bacteria thriving today with us. It can survive just fine as is. That is. Unless it had to mutate in order to ultimately become its own food.

An illogical circle of inconsistency is what your theory is based upon. It must avoid dealing with the needed and required logical foundation, and claims God's creation as its playground while denying God the glory.


You have not come here to discuss science. You have come here to show Christians that their Bible is not to be trusted, using science as your point of leverage.



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[GenemZ]

The problem is, this is Jeremiah's vision of the coming destruction of Judea by the Babylonians.

The Babylonians were merely a tool of God.

All judgment to Israel was from God. That's what you fail at grasping. It was about judgment. Babylon could not touch a single hair on the head of Israel if God did not allow for it.

It certainly refers back to Genesis, to say Jerusalem Judea would be as desolate as the earth was before the God created plants and animals, but he is describing Judea in the future, not how telling us the earth became formless and void in Genesis.

Jeremiah was describing what the Jews would instantly identify with. The Jews spoke Hebrew, and knew the intent of Genesis 1:2. That passage speaks in terms of utter destruction and desolation. Read how Jeremiah described the prehistoric destruction of the earth. Did you notice that a creature that was humanoid was alive in that creation? It explains the bones we find to what evolutionists wish to claim is our evolutionary ancestor. They are not. They were a different creation.

The Holy Spirit had Jeremiah proclaim in reference to Genesis 1:2, to indicate the severity of judgment they were heading towards because of their disgraceful and continuous rebellion against God's Word.




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[Assyrian]

You do not agree with the carbon dating piece of evidence.

I don't?

What about deposition rates of sediment that leads to some types of rock strata? Lets just start with sandstone to keep it easy, this piece of evidence puts the age well past 6000 years.

 

[mpok1519]

lol

I guess theres no getting through to Genez with logic or reasoning, data or records. ohhh well.

Have a fun rest of life buddy! Have fun judging people and determining their motives and entire methodology of life without any shred or inkling of evidence or knowledge!

Good luck comparing me other people with nazis and communists for the rest of your life! lol this isnt nineteen fifty anymore dude. LIVE IN THE NOW!

lol

your judgement is laughable, pretentious and cute, really.

I'm done.

Theres just not getting to some people. Hopefuly they don't taint the world with their falsehoods and lies.

 

[richterforest]

lol

I guess theres no getting through to Genez with logic or reasoning, data or records. ohhh well.

Have a fun rest of life buddy! Have fun judging people and determining their motives and entire methodology of life without any shred or inkling of evidence or knowledge!

Good luck comparing me other people with nazis and communists for the rest of your life! lol this isnt nineteen fifty anymore dude. LIVE IN THE NOW!

lol

your judgement is laughable, pretentious and cute, really.

I'm done.

Theres just not getting to some people. Hopefuly they don't taint the world with their falsehoods and lies.

Your thoughts are the ones tainting the world with falsehoods and lies. You say you are Christian but doubt most of the scripture in the one Book that defines the religion you supposedly are committed to.
Science is not alwasy right. Remember science said the earth was the center of the universe for several centuries, very wrong. And you fuss at us for not living by science even when it contradicts scripture. Sorry, but you are not going to dissuade us from our Bible to believe what professors say is correct. I took and anthropolgy class in college and had to learn all about evolution, but just because I learned it doesnt mean I had to believe it. It was a theory then and it still is.

 

[GenemZ]

It certainly refers back to Genesis, to say Jerusalem Judea would be as desolate as the earth was before the God created plants and animals.

Look one more time. It says the birds had flown away. Probably flying above the destruction until they dropped and died.

It says the light was GONE. Not, the earth yet had no light.

Its says the 'fruitful' land was now a desert. And that the towns were destroyed. Does that sound anything like what you claimed?

to say Jerusalem Judea would be as desolate as the earth was before the God created plants and animals.

Jeremiah 4:23-27
" I looked at the earth,
and it was formless and empty;
and at the heavens,
and their light was gone.
24 I looked at the mountains,
and they were quaking;
all the hills were swaying.
25 I looked, and there were no people;
every bird in the sky had flown away.
26 I looked, and the fruitful land was a desert;
all its towns lay in ruins
before the LORD, before his fierce anger.
27 This is what the LORD says:
"The whole land will be ruined,
though I will not destroy it completely."

You missed way too much to be able to say you really read what is there.

to say Jerusalem Judea would be as desolate as the earth was before the God created plants and animals.

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How's that?

26 I looked, and the fruitful land was a desert;
all its towns lay in ruins
before the LORD, before his fierce anger."

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You say it was as the earth was before the God created plants and animals and had people? Who had lived in those towns? It was a fruitful land before God created plants. Jeremiah was describing a past event. Being a prophet the Spirit could give his mind time travel in what he would envision. Just like prophets could predict the future by seeing it, they could also do likewise in reporting on times past. Just like Job did with describing the prehistoric leviathan that some scholars stumble over and try to say it might have been an alligator. The Spirit of prophecy can make the prophet be made privy to any point in time in history.. past - present - future.




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[mpok1519]

Your thoughts are the ones tainting the world with falsehoods and lies. You say you are Christian but doubt most of the scripture in the one Book that defines the religion you supposedly are committed to.
Science is not alwasy right. Remember science said the earth was the center of the universe for several centuries, very wrong. And you fuss at us for not living by science even when it contradicts scripture. Sorry, but you are not going to dissuade us from our Bible to believe what professors say is correct. I took and anthropolgy class in college and had to learn all about evolution, but just because I learned it doesnt mean I had to believe it. It was a theory then and it still is.

lol no, religion said that the earth is the middle of the universe. Scientists contested for centuries against the church that we have a heliocentric universe. Most of those people were killed by the church. Science contested the church, and the church murdered inviduals for it. Funny how you defend such savage acts of brutality and ignorance.

Do you enjoy learning things you belive to be completely lies? Well everything you learned was ompletely true; your eduction is only wasted if you don't believe what was taught to you.

Wallow in ignorance if you want; I'm trying to help you. Truth is the light in the darkness, and deception is another tool of darkness.

You taint the world with falsehoods and lies; and please, don't tell your children such lies as well; they might not appreciate it in the future.

 

[An Arch Angel]

I don't?

I am m ok with you not understanding the carbon dating. I am not sure what the picture means tho. I will assume some type of laughter at me.

What about Plate tectonics? The Atlantic is widening at around 1 – 2 cm/yr. This puts the age of the earth well past 6000 years.

 

[An Arch Angel]

No, not Nephilim. That came much later in this creation, in Genesis 6!

You are really in NO POSITION to evaluate the Bible. You understand nothing, and come here in pretense
of having it all figured out. All you want to do is push evolution in Christians clothing. You HAVE SHOWN
YOU know nothing.
You may quote a little about the love of Christ, but even a thief seeks mercy when he's been caught.

You speak like an unbeliever who claims to be a believer.

Who should I believe?

"Its just another religion." "OH! But I am a Christian!"
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You use the same arguments that atheists use all the time to show why Christianity is vanity,
yet claim to know the Bible better than those who see right through you. If you only truly knew
what you were dealing with, you would simply say that you like certain things about Christianity,
and then give your secularized version on creation called "evolution got us here."

TELL ME MORE ABOUT THE BIBLE? YOU CAN NOT DISPROVE WHAT EVOLUTIONISTS BELIEVE. HERE'S WHY!​

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You have to let go of the notion that religion is GOD. Religion is a set of rituals that can help us, help each other, on the path to understanding god. Religions are of man’s construct and have all the frailties that go along with any group of people.

Genz … what do you think religions are?

Could you please stop with the huge font sized post? If you have free will, you will chose to be nice.

 

[GenemZ]

lol no, religion said that the earth is the middle of the universe. Scientists contested for centuries against the church that we have a heliocentric universe.

Religion is not the Bible. You seem not able to discern the difference.

Isaiah 40:22
"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,
and its people are like grasshoppers.
He stretches out the heavens like a canopy,
and spreads them out like a tent to live in."
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That was written long before the religious men who walked the earth thought the world was flat. Religious people do not understand the Bible. They only use the Bible to justify their own superstitious thinking, or lust for power. The Pharisees were religious. Jesus was spiritually alive. Jesus lived by every word of God. The religious lived by their own notions of God. Just like religious men do today.

Most of those people were killed by the church. Science contested the church, and the church murdered inviduals for it. Funny how you defend such savage acts of brutality and ignorance.

Funny how you confuse Christianity with religion.

Remember:

Pharissees = RELIGION

Jesus = CHRISTIANITY
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What did the religious Pharisees do? They wanted the Lord of life murdered. Their kind are what you are refering to as the "church." That same "church" also murdered Bible believing Christians. They once sent out a hit squad to murder Luther after Luther discovered that the Bible tells man of the true way to salvation from the Bible.

Religion - bad. .... Christianity - good.
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You have confused the two as being one and the same.

Wallow in ignorance if you want; I'm trying to help you. Truth is the light in the darkness, and deception is another tool of darkness.

That was hypocritical projection. Its you who take pleasure in wallowing in ignorance.


Remember? Without Form and Void - Frontpage



You are the one who walllows. You have been shown time after time.


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[Assyrian]

Look one more time. It says the birds had flown away. Probably flying above the destruction until they dropped and died.

Not much point in saying they fled if they really died. But I see the mistake you're making, you think Jeremiah is describing the whole world being destroyed, in which case it wouldn't make very much sense to talk about bird fleeing, where would they go?

The problem is Jeremiah is using the word eretz in verse 23 I looked on the earth, and behold, it was without form and void; and to the heavens, and they had no light. It is true this word is sometimes translated earth, but the same word comes up six other times in the chapter where it is usually translated as land.

5 Declare in Judah, and proclaim in Jerusalem, and say, "Blow the trumpet through the land; cry aloud and say, 'Assemble, and let us go into the fortified cities!'
7 A lion has gone up from his thicket, a destroyer of nations has set out; he has gone out from his place to make your land a waste; your cities will be ruins without inhabitant.
16 Warn the nations that he is coming; announce to Jerusalem, "Besiegers come from a distant land; they shout against the cities of Judah.
20 Crash follows hard on crash; the whole land is laid waste. Suddenly my tents are laid waste, my curtains in a moment.
27 For thus says the LORD, "The whole land shall be a desolation; yet I will not make a full end.
28 "For this the earth shall mourn, and the heavens above be dark; for I have spoken; I have purposed; I have not relented, nor will I turn back."

Jeremiah was warning people living in the land of Judea about an invasion by people from a distant land, the Babylonians. It was the land of Judea and it cities that were going to be made desolate.

It says the light was GONE. Not, the earth yet had no light.

Its says the 'fruitful' land was now a desert. And that the towns were destroyed. Does that sound anything like what you claimed?

Sound to me like a good Jewish apocalyptic vision of the coming destruction by the Babylonians. Read the context. The passage tells you it is talking about the Babylonian invasion of Judea.

Jeremiah 4:23-27
" I looked at the earth,
and it was formless and empty;
and at the heavens,
and their light was gone.
24 I looked at the mountains,
and they were quaking;
all the hills were swaying.
25 I looked, and there were no people;
every bird in the sky had flown away.
26 I looked, and the fruitful land was a desert;
all its towns lay in ruins
before the LORD, before his fierce anger.
27 This is what the LORD says:
"The whole land will be ruined,
though I will not destroy it completely."

You missed way too much to be able to say you really read what is there.​

I could have quoted the whole chapter, but the sections I did quote tell you what Jeremiah was talking about, the Babylonians.

to say Jerusalem Judea would be as desolate as the earth was before the God created plants and animals.

How's that?

Not sure what you don't understand here. Jeremiah was talking about the Babylonian invasion and takes a phrase from Genesis 1:2 'formless and void' to describe the desolation they would cause. The earth was empty and desolate before God created life on earth, and Jeremiah was using that imagery to describe the result of the Babylonian invasion.

26 I looked, and the fruitful land was a desert;
all its towns lay in ruins
before the LORD, before his fierce anger."

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You say it was as the earth was before the God created plants and animals and had people? Who had lived in those towns? It was a fruitful land before God created plants.

There were no towns before mankind built them. It is Judea that was left a barren waste with ruined towns, after the Babylonian invasion, he is not saying there were empty towns in Genesis 1:2.

Jeremiah was describing a past event. Being a prophet the Spirit could give his mind time travel in what he would envision. Just like prophets could predict the future by seeing it, they could also do likewise in reporting on times past. Just like Job did with describing the prehistoric leviathan that some scholars stumble over and try to say it might have been an alligator. The Spirit of prophecy can make the prophet be made privy to any point in time in history.. past - present - future.

I am sure God an give people prophetic visions of the past as well as the future, but don't forget when prophets describe a vision they tell us what they have seen, but it doesn't mean they are describing an event in the past. Daniel said (7:3) And four great beasts came up out of the sea, different from one another. He is describing it as a past even because he saw the vision in the past, but it was a prophecy about the future. I think you may be making the mistake that because Jeremiah uses the past tense to describe his vision, he is describing an event in the past. But Jeremiah tells us repeatedly what he was talking about. He was tell the Jews about the Babylonian invasion his vsion about the desolate land, was the land of Judea.

 

[Assyrian]

I am m ok with you not understanding the carbon dating. I am not sure what the picture means tho. I will assume some type of laughter at me.

What about Plate tectonics? The Atlantic is widening at around 1 – 2 cm/yr. This puts the age of the earth well past 6000 years.

About 4.45 billion years if IIRC. What I don't understand (hence the scratch head smiley ) is what problem you think I have with carbon dating. I suspect you may have misunderstood my post. I was trying to correct Creationist misunderstandings of carbon dating. On the other hand if you have spotted some misunderstanding I have about C14 do let me know. I am not an expert on the subject by any means.

 

[GenemZ]

Not much point in saying they fled if they really died. But I see the mistake you're making, you think Jeremiah is describing the whole world being destroyed, in which case it wouldn't make very much sense to talk about bird fleeing, where would they go?

OK... just walk away and play that I am the one doing what you are doing..or you are feigning in doing.

Either way, its a declaration that all you can offer at this point is to obfuscate and muddle. Its the only shield you have left to work with.


As for others who have a working knowledge of the Word of God? Pity is all we can offer. Not reasoning after its gotten to this point.

Jeremiah 4:23-27

23 I looked at the earth,
and it was formless and empty;
and at the heavens,
and their light was gone.
24 I looked at the mountains,
and they were quaking;
all the hills were swaying.
25 I looked, and there were no people;
every bird in the sky had flown away.
26 I looked, and the fruitful land was a desert;
all its towns lay in ruins
before the LORD, before his fierce anger.
27 This is what the LORD says:
"The whole land will be ruined,
though I will not destroy it completely."​

Man was still to be found in Israel after Babylon invaded.. Birds did not flee. Many cities remained standing. The mountains never shook as in an earthquake. God had to state that Israel would not be completely destroyed, because what Jeremiah was pointing to was about the total destruction of the surface of the earth.

What was described never happened to Israel that way. If they came under punishment. Birds would not flee. This was fighting with swords and spears, not atomic blasts. And, there would always be birds gathering over the dead bodies.

Psalm 79:2
"They have given the dead bodies of your servants
as food to the birds of the air,
the flesh of your saints to the beasts of the earth.




Luke 17:37
"Where, Lord?" they asked.
He replied, "Where there is a dead body,
there the vultures will gather."

The birds fled as Jeremiah pictured because the entire earth was one massive earthquake and they had to flee.

24 I looked at the mountains,
and they were quaking;
all the hills were swaying. "
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More spin, anyone?
Make it go away.
Make us forget what was said by twisting and confusing the facts?




Revelation 20:12
"And I saw the dead, great and small,
standing before the throne, and books were opened.
Another book was opened, which is the book of life.
The dead were judged according to what they
had done as recorded in the books."

No one will be allowed to confuse the Lord with what is written. No amount of cleverness and cunning will negate what is recorded.



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[GenemZ]

Complexity is not too hard to achieve by nature's standards.

Saturn...mars...venus...the sun..earth....all different...all exist.

Variety and diversity. These things are not signs of intellegent design or irreducible complexity. Or evidence. Or proof.

LOL! You said so, therefore it is so?

They are signs that the universe has a natural and explainable rhythm; condordant and discordant harmonies all at once.

That's not explaining how it got there. You can only explain what one can measure and observe.


So, that's it?

Let's try again... Maybe someone can give an answer with just a wee bit more depth?


Most animals have eyes.

Most animals have lungs.

Most animals have blood.

Most animals have hearts.

Most animals have bowels.

Most animals have hearts.

Most animals have a nervous system.

Most animals have brains.

Most animals have bones.

Most animals have ears.

Most animals have skin.

Most animals share common design, but are simply rearranged in shape and colors that make one animal type unique from another.


Now if almost all animals share all these complex organs and physical attributes?

How could eyes happen by chance in thousands of different animals? Lungs? Hearts? Teeth? Noses? Ears? Stomachs? Intestines? Livers? All happen by chance independently from one another?

Looking at the ultra complexity that so many animals share in common? How can one believe that each type of animal started out as an independent entity onto itself millions of years ago? If one believes evolution is the means by which we got from the Triassic period to here? It would have to mean we all share one common ancestor. Or do you believe all these same attributes developed in different animals independently from one another by chance?

If not? Then most animals would have all begun by chance, and by chance all develop eyes, ears, hearts, lungs, and everything we share commonly by design! Kidneys? Spleens? Livers? Blood vessels? Blood? All happened by chance? Sexual organs?

We all had to come from a common ancestor. Not possible.

Want to try again? This time, deal with the specific issue at hand. Biological life was revealed in this post.
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[fwwid]

LOL! You said so, therefore it is so?

That's not explaining how it got there. You can only explain what one can measure and observe.


So, that's it?

Let's try again... Maybe someone can give an answer with just a wee bit more depth?


Most animals have eyes.

Most animals have lungs.

Most animals have blood.

Most animals have hearts.

Most animals have bowels.

Most animals have hearts.

Most animals have a nervous system.

Most animals have brains.

Most animals have bones.

Most animals have ears.

Most animals have skin.

Most animals share common design, but are simply rearranged in shape and colors that make one animal type unique from another.


Now if almost all animals share all these complex organs and physical attributes?

How could eyes happen by chance in thousands of different animals? Lungs? Hearts? Teeth? Noses? Ears? Stomachs? Intestines? Livers? All happen by chance independently from one another?

Looking at the ultra complexity that so many animals share in common? How can one believe that each type of animal started out as an independent entity onto itself millions of years ago? If one believes evolution is the means by which we got from the Triassic period to here? It would have to mean we all share one common ancestor. Or do you believe all these same attributes developed in different animals independently from one another by chance?

If not? Then most animals would have all begun by chance, and by chance all develop eyes, ears, hearts, lungs, and everything we share commonly by design! Kidneys? Spleens? Livers? Blood vessels? Blood? All happened by chance? Sexual organs?

We all had to come from a common ancestor. Not possible.

Want to try again? This time, deal with the specific issue at hand. Biological life was revealed in this post.
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I believe that the reason you're receiving a paucity of answers to your questions's's's's's's is due to the severe inundation of information on our minds that would be needed to deliver them to you - not that this would satisfy your endless chasm of arrogance or anything.

I mean seriously, your like a child walking onto Kennedy Space Center with an incredulous look on your face, interrogating the flight engineers saying, "WOULD SOMEBODY PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME HOW ATLANTIS WAS CONSTRUCTED?. It's not that your questions don't have answers, it's that 1) I am just sick of trying to explain evolutionary concepts, not to people, but to you - you won't listen, because you don't want to, and 2) It is clear that you have made up your mind with what you will believe, even before you hear answers from those who don't interpret every part of the Bible literally. This makes any effort to try and teach you in vain - not that you're actually seeking an answer in the first place. IOW, evidently we don't agree with what your Mom, Dad, spiritual mentor, MIT mentor has taught you. No, not even your favorite source for all truth - Without Form and Void - Frontpage - SO STOP POSTING IT!!!

Tell me why you believe that only your interpretation of the Bible is correct and that all other interpretations are false? Are all of those people in the history of earth who have not attended services at your church going to go to hell because they have not heard the truth a la Genez et al? How do you know which books of the Bible and/or verses of the Bible need to be interpreted metaphorically versus literally? The truth is, YOU DON'T KNOW, yet, as I've mentioned several times before, your cognitive dissonance won't allow your conscience to believe that you've spent all those years in those sermons...yes, being told a lie, a lie that you gobbled up with every sense of the word. NATURALLY, you attack the source of the mental bereavement you must be feeling everytime an - "Ida", "Little Foot", "Selam", "Abel", "Lucy", "Mrs. Ples", "Taung Child", "The Black Skull", "Wushan Man", "Twiggy", "Nutcracker Man", "Eurydice", "Turkana Boy", "Chellean Man", "Java Man", "Pecking Man", "Hexian", "Altamura Man", "Heidelberg Man", "Saldanha Man", "Rhodesian Man", "Homo Flourensis", - fossil surfaces from the sediment below by taking out your frustration on those who don't happen to agree with you.

How do you account for the fact that there is absolutely no scientific evidence that humans appeared on earth in an evolutionary blink of an eye? Is it possible that God created man in an evolutionary blink of an eye? ABSOLUTELY - it's just that the evidence of God's actions that the earth has left behind for us most-assuredly does NOT suggest that, sorry to spoil your personal justification party. If you were hoping that we would vindacate all of those wasted years you spent in Sunday services believing every detail that your "philosopher" (for lack of a better word) has been telling you concerning the creation, well, you've come to the wrong place.

 

[GenemZ]

Some here will hedge when they can not answer a question.

What some will do when that happens? Is to present a false image of the one asking the question. Then on the basis of the false persona they have created, tell him that he is not qualified for an answer he can understand. Why? Because that's how the person they imagined is.

As for me? Even though I know some here are sadly illiterate Biblically? I will still give an in depth answer which is truthful. I do not care if they can not handle it. They asked a question. They get an answer.

Now, if I could not answer a question someone asked about the Bible? And, if I were a conceited religious wind bag? I would just tell them that they are too dumb for an answer.

Not even a neat trick to do that. All it would take would be to have an over inflated self image, and a smug need to maintain it at all costs.


Now? Anyone can answer my question?


One more time...


Most animals have eyes.

Most animals have lungs.

Most animals have blood.

Most animals have hearts.

Most animals have bowels.

Most animals have hearts.

Most animals have a nervous system.

Most animals have brains.

Most animals have bones.

Most animals have ears.

Most animals have skin.

Most animals share common design, but are simply rearranged in shape and colors that make one animal type unique from another.


Now if almost all animals share all these complex organs and physical attributes?

How could eyes happen by chance in thousands of different animals? Lungs? Hearts? Teeth? Noses? Ears? Stomachs? Intestines? Livers? All happen by chance independently from one another?

Looking at the ultra complexity that so many animals share in common? How can one believe that each type of animal started out as an independent entity onto itself millions of years ago? If one believes evolution is the means by which we got from the Triassic period to here? It would have to mean we all share one common ancestor. Or do you believe all these same attributes developed in different animals independently from one another by chance?

If not? Then most animals would have all begun by chance, and by chance all develop eyes, ears, hearts, lungs, and everything we share commonly by design! Kidneys? Spleens? Livers? Blood vessels? Blood? All happened by chance? Sexual organs?

We all had to come from a common ancestor. Not possible.




Oh... not that I think the evolutionists are bright enough to answer it, I still ask.



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[fwwid]

Some here will hedge when they can not answer a question.

What some will do when that happens? Is to present a false image of the one asking the question. Then on the basis of the false persona they have created, tell him that he is not qualified for an answer he can understand. Why? Because that's how the person they imagined is.

As for me? Even though I know some here are sadly illiterate Biblically? I will still give an in depth answer which is truthful. I do not care if they can not handle it. They asked a question. They get an answer.

Now, if I could not answer a question someone asked about the Bible? And, if I were a conceited religious wind bag? I would just tell them that they are too dumb for an answer.

Not even a neat trick to do that. All it would take would be to have an over inflated self image, and a smug need to maintain it at all costs.


Now? Anyone can answer my question?


One more time...


Most animals have eyes.

Most animals have lungs.

Most animals have blood.

Most animals have hearts.

Most animals have bowels.

Most animals have hearts.

Most animals have a nervous system.

Most animals have brains.

Most animals have bones.

Most animals have ears.

Most animals have skin.

Most animals share common design, but are simply rearranged in shape and colors that make one animal type unique from another.


Now if almost all animals share all these complex organs and physical attributes?

How could eyes happen by chance in thousands of different animals? Lungs? Hearts? Teeth? Noses? Ears? Stomachs? Intestines? Livers? All happen by chance independently from one another?

Looking at the ultra complexity that so many animals share in common? How can one believe that each type of animal started out as an independent entity onto itself millions of years ago? If one believes evolution is the means by which we got from the Triassic period to here? It would have to mean we all share one common ancestor. Or do you believe all these same attributes developed in different animals independently from one another by chance?

If not? Then most animals would have all begun by chance, and by chance all develop eyes, ears, hearts, lungs, and everything we share commonly by design! Kidneys? Spleens? Livers? Blood vessels? Blood? All happened by chance? Sexual organs?

We all had to come from a common ancestor. Not possible.




Oh... not that I think the evolutionists are bright enough to answer it, I still ask.



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HAHAHA!, Evidently you didn't like your answer - Big surprise! You'll wonder why you won't see an answer. Well, I already told you why and hopefully warned others of what they are inevitibly in for in the event that they make an attempt to tear down your ivory tower (Genez - "Lo, here is Christ" screaming from up above - mixed with a little wheeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth) - not that I think your bright enough to understand what your conscience won't allow you to fathom, I still send my word of caution to all those who DARE TRESPASS THE CHARLATAN OF TRUTH, ehhemm.

 

[GenemZ]

HAHAHA!, Evidently you didn't like your answer - Big surprise! You'll wonder why you won't see an answer. Well, I already told you why and hopefully warned others of what they are inevitibly in for in the event that they make an attempt to tear down your ivory tower (Genez - "Lo, here is Christ" screaming from up above - mixed with a little wheeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth) - not that I think your bright enough to understand what your conscience won't allow you to fathom, I still send my word of caution to all those who DARE TRESPASS THE CHARLATAN OF TRUTH, ehhemm.

Why are you calling me a liar?

I meant it. I guess from now on I must put you on my ignore list so you will not try to pick the lock.

I am looking for honest answers. Not smug put downs from a person who can not deal with my question honestly. I presented the same question years ago in Compuserve (pre- AOL) with people with highly qualified backgrounds and some like yourself who only act like they do.

The one honest answer someone came up with to my question was that all lifeforms that share a common biological schematic, that is, having a heart, eyes, lungs, stomach, liver, spleen, teeth, ears, etc.. had to have a common ancestor. Others tried to hedge like you just did.

OK... now you must go on my Ignore list. No more reading your posts at all.






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[fwwid]

Why are you calling me a liar?

I meant it. I guess from now on I must put you on my ignore list so you will not try to pick the lock.

I am looking for honest answers. Not smug put downs from a person who can not deal with my question honestly. I presented the same question years ago in Compuserve (pre- AOL) with people with highly qualified backgrounds and some like yourself who only act like they do.

The one honest answer someone came up with to my question was that all lifeforms that share a common biological schematic, that is, having a heart, eyes, lungs, stomach, liver, spleen, teeth, ears, etc.. had to have a common ancestor. Others tried to hedge like you just did.

OK... now you must go on my Ignore list. No more reading your posts at all.






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Haha, again, take your ball and run home huh Genez? Oh, but this time you mean it right? The "common ancestor" answers have been dismissed by your likes the moment they were brought up. How and why then is it now necessary for you to see it again?

 

[Assyrian]

OK... just walk away and play that I am the one doing what you are doing..or you are feigning in doing.

Either way, its a declaration that all you can offer at this point is to obfuscate and muddle. Its the only shield you have left to work with.

This would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

As for others who have a working knowledge of the Word of God? Pity is all we can offer. Not reasoning after its gotten to this point.

Jeremiah 4:23-27

23 I looked at the earth,
and it was formless and empty;
and at the heavens,
and their light was gone.
24 I looked at the mountains,
and they were quaking;
all the hills were swaying.
25 I looked, and there were no people;
every bird in the sky had flown away.
26 I looked, and the fruitful land was a desert;
all its towns lay in ruins
before the LORD, before his fierce anger.
27 This is what the LORD says:
"The whole land will be ruined,
though I will not destroy it completely."​

Man was still to be found in Israel after Babylon invaded.. Birds did not flee. Many cities remained standing. The mountains never shook as in an earthquake. God had to state that Israel would not be completely destroyed, because what Jeremiah was pointing to was about the total destruction of the surface of the earth.

It think you are getting confused here, why would God have to state that Israel would be spared a destruction happened before Genesis 1:2? But you are right, the passage is warning about a coming destruction, and the passage answers your question about why there still people and towns left after the invasion, God tells us he was not going to destroy the land completely. Of course it does make much more sense for God to promise to spare Israel from a coming destruction rather than one that had happened millennia before.

I find it interesting you think eretz in verse 23 means the whole world, while the whole eretz in verse 27 just means the land of Israel. It is the same word.

What was described never happened to Israel that way. If they came under punishment. Birds would not flee. This was fighting with swords and spears, not atomic blasts. And, there would always be birds gathering over the dead bodies.

Psalm 79:2
"They have given the dead bodies of your servants
as food to the birds of the air,
the flesh of your saints to the beasts of the earth.


Luke 17:37
"Where, Lord?" they asked.
He replied, "Where there is a dead body,
there the vultures will gather."

The birds fled as Jeremiah pictured because the entire earth was one massive earthquake and they had to flee.​

To where? If Jeremiah was talking about the entire planet, how could the birds flee?

But as I pointed out, Jeremiah is not talking about the entire world, he is talking about the land of Judah. A bit easier for birds to flee a few miles across the border. You also seem to forget this is a prophetic vision full of apocalyptic imagery, not a newsreel clip. Would all the birds flee? I don't think it is much of an argument saying the prophetic vision can't be strictly literal, the bible is full of metaphor and hyperbole especially in apocalyptic visions, but even if it is meant literally claiming you don't think bird would behave that way is not much of an argument against God fulfilling his prophetic word.

But it is not the only time OT prophecy describes bird disappearing when the Babylonians invaded Judah. Zeph 1:1 The word of the LORD that came to Zephaniah the son of Cushi, son of Gedaliah, son of Amariah, son of Hezekiah, in the days of Josiah the son of Amon, king of Judah.
2 "I will utterly sweep away everything from the face of the earth (or land)," declares the LORD.
3 "I will sweep away man and beast; I will sweep away the birds of the heavens and the fish of the sea, and the rubble with the wicked. I will cut off mankind from the face of the earth (again this is the word eretz, land)," declares the LORD.
4 "I will stretch out my hand against Judah and against all the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and I will cut off from this place the remnant of Baal and the name of the idolatrous priests along with the priests.

24 I looked at the mountains,
and they were quaking;
all the hills were swaying. "
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More spin, anyone?
Make it go away.
Make us forget what was said by twisting and confusing the facts?

Revelation 20:12
"And I saw the dead, great and small,
standing before the throne, and books were opened.
Another book was opened, which is the book of life.
The dead were judged according to what they
had done as recorded in the books."

No one will be allowed to confuse the Lord with what is written. No amount of cleverness and cunning will negate what is recorded.
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Such as Jeremiah 4 being a prophecy about the Babylonian invasion of Judah?

Sorry Genez, no amount of biblical pictures of the last judgement and claims that the people you are talking to are twisting scripture will turn your bad arguments and out of context passages into a decent biblical argument.