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How long Before Autonomous Cars are accepted on our roads?

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There are still concerns which hinder the usage of such a vehicle. But it definitely would be neat to just get into the car, punch in the destination and sit back and relax as we are taken to our destination just as we do on a subway train or on a bus.

Autonomous car - Wikipedia



Well, here is one prediction:
 
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There are still concerns which hinder the usage of such a vehicle. But it definitely would be neat to just get into the car, punch in the destination and sit back and relax as we are taken to our destination just as we do on a subway train or on a bus.

Autonomous car - Wikipedia



Well, here is one prediction:

Some companies say they could get their product road-worthy as early as *this* year, 2017.

A big-rig truck fleet driven by robots has been successfully in public roads in Europe a few years ago. Google has been testing their autonomous driver in public roads already.

The technology is already here and already being tested extensively in public roads in real traffic.

It's now only a matter of finalising the prototypes, making it into a commercial product and legislating laws to handle robotic cars. Many say around the year 2020 is the time we'll begin to have these on the roads in common sight.
 
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Some companies say they could get their product road-worthy as early as *this* year, 2017.

A big-rig truck fleet driven by robots has been successfully in public roads in Europe a few years ago. Google has been testing their autonomous driver in public roads already.

The technology is already here and already being tested extensively in public roads in real traffic.

It's now only a matter of finalising the prototypes, making it into a commercial product and legislating laws to handle robotic cars. Many say around the year 2020 is the time we'll begin to have these on the roads in common sight.

I imagine that human drivers will initially feel very uneasy about having these driverless cars among them. I would.
 
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The beast's transportation system is already being implanted in human being's minds and as if it is a good thing/ way of life/ helpful....

It has been planned for decades... and is right on time.
How is it a bad thing to have cars that are potentially safer on the road? How is that not helpful?
 
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I imagine that human drivers will initially feel very uneasy about having these driverless cars among them. I would.

That's why we need to legislate laws for it for peace of mind :)

But you certainly won't be able to talk your way out of an incident with a robo-car if it's your fault. It's got cameras and everything.
 
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This is the last incarnation of my summary blog page on Robot Cars. Any thoughts gratefully received for consideration:

Also, point 1 I'm thinking of renaming "A crash in private car ownership - the rise of the car plan". What do you think?

  1. Less cars, better cities — the rise of the car plan
  2. Robot taxi service
  3. A nicer night out
  4. 90% less cars to build?
  5. Robot cars are almost here
  6. Nicer cities
1. Less cars, better cities – the rise of the car plan
“Have we reached peak car?” asked The Guardian (April 2015). People are realising that using public transport in city living can be efficient, save money, and create a car-free lifestyle. For instance, do I really want to buy a new car at $30 000 just to watch it sit in a car park and depreciate 22 hours a day? That’s what the average car does 91% of the time. It sits there. That is an enormous investment in energy and materials and money locked up in a machine that just sits around most of the time.

If robot taxis become vastly cheaper because there’s no salary to pay (sorry taxi drivers). The cost of taxi fares will drop dramatically. People will be less anxious about adopting a train based way of life as New Urbanism creeps around more city centres. Companies building automated self-driving robot cars are starting to brainstorm how to dominate a totally new market: the era of robot taxi-cabs! As The Guardian explains above, we are driving less car-kilometres per person as economic and lifestyle factors reduce our need to drive. But this is about to accelerate as we are on the verge of a revolution in transport, where car companies start not to sell us cars as a product but instead sell transport as a service. Sadly for truck and taxi-cab drivers, this means unemployment. They face economic extinction as real as the ice-haulers faced with the invention of the fridge, and Kodak film labs faced with the invention of the digital camera.

2. The robot taxi service
But have no doubt that the transport-as-service model is possible. If robot-taxis can cut cab-fares down to 10% of today’s fees, we could see a major revolution on our hands. Instead of owning cars, people will start to download transport apps. They’ll be able to choose:-

  • The size of vehicle. Single passenger, or a large club going out to a function?
  • Is it a regular booking to work?
  • If so, what car to public transport mix are you using? Will the car take you to the train every morning? Will it be collecting you the other end of a lovely ferry ride? The app will help you plan your trip just as Siri or Google Maps already can – but with more options now that a robot-cab can flexibly fill in any gaps.
  • Will you car-share for an even greater discount? Will there be a regular local robot bus company doing a regular route for the cheapest ride, or a mini-bus responding to daily bookings by the most efficient algorithm?
  • The type of vehicle: will you be accompanying lots of groceries home, or supervising some furniture delivery?
  • What level of luxury? Is it a special occasion, and a stretched limousine is required?
  • Will you buy a car for your own special use, but sometimes rent it out to the robot-car-market, a robot version of sometimes driving for the uber-market?
  • Range anxiety and robot cabs? A robot cab company (like Ford, Tesla, Uber?) would be trading in reputation, and so would have the most expensive long-range batteries on the market. If a robot cab did run out of power on a trip, a freshly charged cab would just collect you and complete your journey. You’d probably be home before the service van could recharge the dead car. That’s the end of all ‘range anxiety’ right there!
3. A nicer night out
The other implications are also pleasing. I’ll quote straight from Templetons: (even though he seems to focus on spending time in the car itself, where I’m imagining time on the train with a short car trip either end). We’ll spend time in the car, rather than waste time.

As indicated, Americans drive some 2.4 trillion miles each year and spend at least 50 billion hours doing it. (This latter number is my own very rough estimate.) A robocar may eventually approach a level of mobile comfort similar to a train, with a nice seat, a wide desk, internet, a computer/TV and phone. This turns those hours into more productive, comfortable hours. At the national average salary of $37,000 per year (SSA) for a 2000-hour work year, I rate this time as worth roughly one trillion dollars per year.

Also, rather than starting and finishing your outing fighting for a spot in an ugly concrete car park that stinks of urine, your robot car will chauffeur you to the loading bay directly outside your cinemas. Then when you bump into friends after the movie and want to go to that special restaurant, you don’t have to walk all the way back to the carpark to collect your car. Get your phone out, call a cab, and off you go.

4. 90% less cars to build!
The best bit? Far less infrastructure is required! The supply implications are enormous. As Next Big Future says:


“A robotic electric car could displace the usage of ten regular vehicles. This will also reduce the supply chain ramp-up burden. Instead of needing to make 2 billion electric vehicles, 200 million robotic ride sharing vehicles would have the same displacement effect. Only 80 gigafactories instead of 800 would be needed to generate the displacement effect,”
Robotic ride sharing electric vehicles should create a perfect storm for accelerated elimination of combustion vehicle usage by 2030s | NextBigFuture.com


5. Robot Cars are almost here!
6. Nicer cities
The aesthetics of our cities could change. Why have a skyline littered with ugly concrete carpark skyscrapers? Car parks are so tall because they have to make us pedestrians feel comfortable as we walk from the car to the lift. Electric cars are only half our height. They’ll drive themselves into a charging bay, charge up, and then drive out to collect us from our shops or cinemas or restaurant or work. Service technicians might have to scoot around on low bikes if checking for problems, but generally, people just won’t bother going into anything as mundane as a ‘car-park’ any more. Eventually the carpark skyscraper will become an oddity of history, and future generations might ask why we ever put up with something so ugly in our cities!


 
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That's why we need to legislate laws for it for peace of mind :)

But you certainly won't be able to talk your way out of an incident with a robo-car if it's your fault. It's got cameras and everything.

Here is an article that elaborates on the challenges that such a technology poses and the different ways in which those challenges can be met. Based on tests done on simulators, they have concluded that the human factor will intitally be the one that poses the most problems.

No One Understands The Scariest, Most Dangerous Part Of A Self-Driving Car: Us | HuffPost
 
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This is the last incarnation of my summary blog page on Robot Cars. Any thoughts gratefully received for consideration:

Also, point 1 I'm thinking of renaming "A crash in private car ownership - the rise of the car plan". What do you think?

  1. Less cars, better cities — the rise of the car plan
  2. Robot taxi service
  3. A nicer night out
  4. 90% less cars to build?
  5. Robot cars are almost here
  6. Nicer cities
1. Less cars, better cities – the rise of the car plan
“Have we reached peak car?” asked The Guardian (April 2015). People are realising that using public transport in city living can be efficient, save money, and create a car-free lifestyle. For instance, do I really want to buy a new car at $30 000 just to watch it sit in a car park and depreciate 22 hours a day? That’s what the average car does 91% of the time. It sits there. That is an enormous investment in energy and materials and money locked up in a machine that just sits around most of the time.

If robot taxis become vastly cheaper because there’s no salary to pay (sorry taxi drivers). The cost of taxi fares will drop dramatically. People will be less anxious about adopting a train based way of life as New Urbanism creeps around more city centres. Companies building automated self-driving robot cars are starting to brainstorm how to dominate a totally new market: the era of robot taxi-cabs! As The Guardian explains above, we are driving less car-kilometres per person as economic and lifestyle factors reduce our need to drive. But this is about to accelerate as we are on the verge of a revolution in transport, where car companies start not to sell us cars as a product but instead sell transport as a service. Sadly for truck and taxi-cab drivers, this means unemployment. They face economic extinction as real as the ice-haulers faced with the invention of the fridge, and Kodak film labs faced with the invention of the digital camera.

2. The robot taxi service
But have no doubt that the transport-as-service model is possible. If robot-taxis can cut cab-fares down to 10% of today’s fees, we could see a major revolution on our hands. Instead of owning cars, people will start to download transport apps. They’ll be able to choose:-

  • The size of vehicle. Single passenger, or a large club going out to a function?
  • Is it a regular booking to work?
  • If so, what car to public transport mix are you using? Will the car take you to the train every morning? Will it be collecting you the other end of a lovely ferry ride? The app will help you plan your trip just as Siri or Google Maps already can – but with more options now that a robot-cab can flexibly fill in any gaps.
  • Will you car-share for an even greater discount? Will there be a regular local robot bus company doing a regular route for the cheapest ride, or a mini-bus responding to daily bookings by the most efficient algorithm?
  • The type of vehicle: will you be accompanying lots of groceries home, or supervising some furniture delivery?
  • What level of luxury? Is it a special occasion, and a stretched limousine is required?
  • Will you buy a car for your own special use, but sometimes rent it out to the robot-car-market, a robot version of sometimes driving for the uber-market?
  • Range anxiety and robot cabs? A robot cab company (like Ford, Tesla, Uber?) would be trading in reputation, and so would have the most expensive long-range batteries on the market. If a robot cab did run out of power on a trip, a freshly charged cab would just collect you and complete your journey. You’d probably be home before the service van could recharge the dead car. That’s the end of all ‘range anxiety’ right there!
3. A nicer night out
The other implications are also pleasing. I’ll quote straight from Templetons: (even though he seems to focus on spending time in the car itself, where I’m imagining time on the train with a short car trip either end). We’ll spend time in the car, rather than waste time.

As indicated, Americans drive some 2.4 trillion miles each year and spend at least 50 billion hours doing it. (This latter number is my own very rough estimate.) A robocar may eventually approach a level of mobile comfort similar to a train, with a nice seat, a wide desk, internet, a computer/TV and phone. This turns those hours into more productive, comfortable hours. At the national average salary of $37,000 per year (SSA) for a 2000-hour work year, I rate this time as worth roughly one trillion dollars per year.

Also, rather than starting and finishing your outing fighting for a spot in an ugly concrete car park that stinks of urine, your robot car will chauffeur you to the loading bay directly outside your cinemas. Then when you bump into friends after the movie and want to go to that special restaurant, you don’t have to walk all the way back to the carpark to collect your car. Get your phone out, call a cab, and off you go.

4. 90% less cars to build!
The best bit? Far less infrastructure is required! The supply implications are enormous. As Next Big Future says:


“A robotic electric car could displace the usage of ten regular vehicles. This will also reduce the supply chain ramp-up burden. Instead of needing to make 2 billion electric vehicles, 200 million robotic ride sharing vehicles would have the same displacement effect. Only 80 gigafactories instead of 800 would be needed to generate the displacement effect,”
Robotic ride sharing electric vehicles should create a perfect storm for accelerated elimination of combustion vehicle usage by 2030s | NextBigFuture.com


5. Robot Cars are almost here!
6. Nicer cities
The aesthetics of our cities could change. Why have a skyline littered with ugly concrete carpark skyscrapers? Car parks are so tall because they have to make us pedestrians feel comfortable as we walk from the car to the lift. Electric cars are only half our height. They’ll drive themselves into a charging bay, charge up, and then drive out to collect us from our shops or cinemas or restaurant or work. Service technicians might have to scoot around on low bikes if checking for problems, but generally, people just won’t bother going into anything as mundane as a ‘car-park’ any more. Eventually the carpark skyscraper will become an oddity of history, and future generations might ask why we ever put up with something so ugly in our cities!

Having automated taxi service sounds great. It will get rid of the hassle of having to deal with nasty taxi drivers who might want to pick a fight with the customer in order to get himself back into prison or simply just be rude due to prejudice.
 
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I think the biggest barrier to adoption is the buyer. No matter how safe and reliable self-driving cars are, how many people are truly prepared to take their hands off the wheel? I'm not convinced there is a real market yet - lots more work is needed to educate and convince drivers to sit back and relax.
 
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I'm more concerned who will be liable for damages when accidents happen.
If Volvo is any standard to go by, the car companies will - if they want to survive! Remember, this is now an arms race between the remaining car companies over who is going to own cuts of the much smaller pie! Robot cabs will kill private car ownership, and the era of transport-as-a-service is just about here. There's simply too much economic incentive at stake to let a silly little thing like insurance get in the way.
Volvo: We’ll Accept Liability in Self-Driving Car Accidents - Robotics Trends
 
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They're already better than us silly humans! Watch this video where a Tesla autopilot beeps an alarm 3 times before the cars in front collide. It new what was happening seconds before the attempted over-take goes all wrong.
 
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Remember all of YHWH'S WORD. All that is written of mankind and of society and of the deception of the beast, etc etc etc

If you could live in a city where all the cars/ transportation was automated,
but it was in nazi germany, would you want to live there !?
 
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Remember all of YHWH'S WORD. All that is written of mankind and of society and of the deception of the beast, etc etc etc

If you could live in a city where all the cars/ transportation was automated,
but it was in nazi germany, would you want to live there !?
Seriously? That's how you get preachy on this topic? Come on, I don't think the bible says anything directly about EV's! :scratch: But it does say plenty about loving our neighbour, so let's explore some ethical issues.
This next article is amazing, and as you read through it, think about the ethical implications. EG: As car ownership declines and is replaced by robot-taxi-cabs that drop you in a loading bay, city carpark towers will suddenly go bankrupt. Do we need to encourage city developers to remodel or replace carparking towers into housing for the poor or refugees? (14% of LA is carparks!) What other implications are there for city design and social justice issues? How do we ensure that people still catch trains and other public transport to minimise congestion? Will we ask corporations for even cheaper trips if we car share? Will bus routes be replaced by a series of mini-buses that offer even cheaper rides? What areas do we need to hold corporations responsible for? EG: What if driverless robot cabs have children in them and break down? Who will comfort the kids as the replacement vehicle arrives? Who will stop the kids running into traffic, or ensure they get in the right car? What if someone steals your phone or other ID that activates the car (EG: Paypal)? Will these things run on thumb prints or other biometrics?
But overall I'm encouraged that 1 robot cab may displace somewhere between 10 to 30 family cars, and their constant use means they'll easily do over 400,000km in a year and be replaced every year, giving us even better models to hire every year!
25 Shocking Predictions about the Coming Driverless Car Era in the U.S.
 
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Here is an article that elaborates on the challenges that such a technology poses and the different ways in which those challenges can be met. Based on tests done on simulators, they have concluded that the human factor will intitally be the one that poses the most problems.

No One Understands The Scariest, Most Dangerous Part Of A Self-Driving Car: Us | HuffPost

I've read the article.

It doesn't seem like a big problem. It can be solved software-side.

The software side is an easy solution. Multiple driving protocols can be programmed of which each protocol have the ability to override the rules of other protocols depending on their priority level in relation to the driving condition. Higher priority protocols won't activate until it detects scenarios programmed to it, usually more difficult scenarios for higher priority protocols.

For example, in protocol 1, the car would be driving normally, no sudden turns, no sudden and violent braking/acceleration. But if for example, a car from another lane crossed your lane, it would get detected by higher priority protocol 2. Protocol 2 would enact more aggressive driving maneuvers (overriding Protocol 1) to avoid the danger. If a horde of mindless zombies is heading your way, Protocol 3 would detect it and even drive more aggressively, even possibly hitting some cars on the roads if it can't be avoided, overriding Protocols 1 & 2. Once the horde of zombies are out of sight, Protocol 3 could no longer detect the scenario and switch to lower protocols like Protocol 1, normal driving resumes.

Computer confusion solved. The driver could still choose to override at any time. My point is separating decision making of computer programs into distinct set of rules would solve the problem of confusion as it will give the computer the ability to override its own rules depending on the situation just like a human would think.
 
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And just think of the millions of jobs that will cease to exist, not to be replaced. As lorry drivers, taxi drivers, train drivers, pilots lose their jobs to automation.

Over the next couple of decades over half the workforce likely to become unemployable as jobs are automated. What happens to a society with 50/60% unemployment rate?
 
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There are still concerns which hinder the usage of such a vehicle. But it definitely would be neat to just get into the car, punch in the destination and sit back and relax as we are taken to our destination just as we do on a subway train or on a bus.

Autonomous car - Wikipedia



Well, here is one prediction:
Funnily enough I was talking to my wife about what kind of drinking test our son would take (he's two so it would be in at least 15 years) because of the chance of self drive cars.

Personally I can't wait but I do like manual driving (maybe manual driving will become like horse ridin- a leisure pursuit, rather than an every day thing).
 
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Remember all of YHWH'S WORD. All that is written of mankind and of society and of the deception of the beast, etc etc etc

If you could live in a city where all the cars/ transportation was automated,
but it was in nazi germany, would you want to live there !?

Exactly what is written which implicates the inherent evil of using automated cars?

BTW
I wouldn't want to live in Nazi Germany even if it reverted to using horse and buggy or if it restricted civilians to skateboards.
 
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