How is Once Saved Always Saved not a license to sin? (moved)

[Bible Highlighter]

You should take that to heart and cease teaching against what Paul taught.

That is just a baselesss accusation.

Anyways, I want to know what you believe or where you stand.

Do you believe a saint or believer can die in unrepentant sin such as lying, murder, hate, adultery, theft, etc and still be saved?


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[John Robie]

No. In 1 John 2:1, John addresses them as "Little children" (brethren). He is writing his epistle to believers here and not unbelievers.

John says, in verse 2 (making a distinction between believer and unbeliever by saying): "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."


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That has nothing to do with what I said. I think the problem you have is scriptural ADHD. You jump all over and seemingly have trouble sticking with a text. You carpet bomb with texts thinking that it makes a coherent argument. Yet there's no dealing with the context. You just move to the next. And when someone else brings up a text, you don't deal with that text, but bring up three others. That is not a good way to get your point across. It makes it appear that you are desperately grasping at straws.

 

[John Robie]

That is just a baselesss accusation.

Anyways, I want to know what you believe or where you stand.

Do you believe a saint or believer can die in unrepentant sin such as lying, murder, hate, adultery, theft, etc and still be saved?


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Every saint will die with unrepentant sin.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

That has nothing to do with what I said. I think the problem you have is scriptural ADHD. You jump all over and seemingly have trouble sticking with a text. You carpet bomb with texts thinking that it makes a coherent argument. Yet there's no dealing with the context. You just move to the next. And when someone else brings up a text, you don't deal with that text, but bring up three others. That is not a good way to get your point across. It makes it appear that you are desperately grasping at straws.

Why don't you show me where I have went wrong instead by pointing out the text itself in what it say?


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[John Robie]

Why don't you show me where I have went wrong instead by pointing out the text itself in what it say?


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Where you went wrong is by not dealing with the text I quoted, and mentioning other texts that coveted different subjects.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Every saint will die with unrepentant sin.

Even serious sins that lead unto death like adultery, murder, theft, etc.? The sins unto death are those sins Paul lists several times in the New Testament. Paul says be not deceived, the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God. Then Paul lists various sins that will cause one not to inherit God's Kingdom such as murder, hate, adultery, theft, etc. Do you think Paul needed to teach the brethren against Universalism here? Be not deceived? By what? John also lists these "sins unto death" in Revelation 21:8, too. Committing these sins will cause one to be cast into the Lake of Fire (Which is the second DEATH, i.e. "sins that lead unto death, or the second death).

Please take note that "sins unto death" and "sins that do not lead unto death" are mentioned in 1 John 5:16-18.

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[Bible Highlighter]

Where you went wrong is by not dealing with the text I quoted, and mentioning other texts that coveted different subjects.

Scripture speaks as a whole.

"For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little" (Isaiah 28:10).


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[John Robie]

Even serious sins that lead unto death like adultery, murder, theft, etc.? The sins unto death are those sins Paul lists several times in the New Testament. Paul says be not deceived, the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God. Then Paul lists various sins that will cause one not to inherit God's Kingdom such as murder, hate, adultery, theft, etc. Do you think Paul needed to teach the brethren against Universalism here? Be not deceived? By what? John also lists these "sins unto death" in Revelation 21:8, too. Committing these sins will cause one to be cast into the Lake of Fire (Which is the second DEATH, i.e. "sins that lead unto death, or the second death).

Please take note that "sins unto death" and "sins that do not lead unto death" are mentioned in 1 John 5:16-18.

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There are no sins worse than others. All sin is lawlessness. If you commit one, you are guilty of them all.

 

[John Robie]

Scripture speaks as a whole.

"For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little" (Isaiah 28:10).


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It does speak as a whole. It must also be rightly divided. You cannot rearrange it as you see fit.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

There are no sins worse than others. All sin is lawlessness. If you commit one, you are guilty of them all.

No. Not all sin is the same. If a person speaks bad against the Holy Spirit, it can never be forgiven. If a person takes the mark of the beast, there is no salvation for them. If a believer commits suicide, they cannot repent of such a sin and they would have in effect died in their sin. Also, read 1 John 5:16-18. It says there are sins that lead unto death and there are sins that do not lead unto death. Even Jesus says there is a GREATER sin Himself.

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[Bible Highlighter]

It does speak as a whole. It must also be rightly divided. You cannot rearrange it as you see fit.

I am curious. Do you believe in Mid Acts Dispensationalism or the belief that says there are two or more gospels?


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[John Robie]

No. Not all sin is the same. If a person speaks bad against the Holy Spirit, it can never be forgiven. If a person takes the mark of the beast, there is no salvation for them. If a believer commits suicide, they cannot repent of such a sin and they would have in effect died in their sin. Also, read 1 John 5:16-18. It says there are sins that lead unto death and there are sins that do not lead unto death. Even Jesus says there is a GREATER sin Himself.

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Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. - 1 John 3:4

 

[John Robie]

I am curious. Do you believe in Mid Acts Dispensationalism or the belief that says there are two or more gospels?


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One gospel, which you don't seem to understand.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. - 1 John 3:4

And what did Jesus say to that believer who He did not know?

And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness."

This is further supported even more by the words of Jesus in the same chapter, when He said,

"And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand."


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[John Robie]

And what did Jesus say to that believer who He did not know?

And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness."

This is further supported by the fact of when Jesus said in the same chapter,

"And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand."


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And there you go again, jumping all over. I may have to bow out because you seem incapable of having a reasonable discussion. You seem, on the other hand, determined to make your point all costs, and not willing to deal even with the texts you bring up.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

One gospel, which you don't seem to understand.

Is that a yes or a no? Do you believe in Mid Acts Dispensationalism or the two or more gospel belief?


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[Bible Highlighter]

And there you go again, jumping all over. I may have to bow out because you seem incapable of having a reasonable discussion. You seem, on the other hand, determined to make your point all costs, and not willing to deal even with the texts you bring up.

I brought up the texts and asked you to explain them, but you simply chose not to do so.


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[John Robie]

Is that a yes or a no? Do you believe in Mid Acts Dispensationalism or the two or more gospel belief?


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I said I believe there is one gospel. That is an unambiguous statement.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

In addition to Matthew 7, Jesus also said,

"He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:48).

Did you catch that? Jesus said if we do not receive His words, then that very word that He had spoken will judge us on the last day.


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[John Robie]

I brought up the texts and asked you to explain them, but you simply chose not to do so.


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But you bring up texts at random and ignore other texts brought up. If I take the time to explain them, then we've gone off track once again.